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Why not re-read my post (#4605), then re-read your reply (#4606). Perhaps you could point out the claims that I was making that you require to be backed up?
I'm not sure where snobbery (net or any other sort) comes into things.
Steve
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I think that we must agree to disagree on the other matter though.
I had my oil changed & he showed me the pic of it. Looks nice but needs 30" tires..
Hey cant we all just get along?
BT
Thanks.
-Vic
I'm not sure when it will be availble for order, but it's listed as a 2003.
Check it out at
www.jeepunpaved.com
madman
Impolite? When? I am shocked. Really. Please explain where or how I have been anything close to impolite. I am sorry if this was the case. I apologize if I hurt someone or offended someone.
I thought it was standard procedure to doubt anything on the internet. At least, it is for me. I really am very suspect of rumors or "legends" which start on BBS systems, and therefore request some sort of backup. This is especially true here, as JEEP has no sign of this on their web page that I can see and I have not heard about this vehicle before now.
By all means, ask for clarification, no one should object to that.
....."This is the first I've heard of the Apex, it's not even on Jeep's website. Could you post a link?".....would have been perfectly acceptable.
It's worth thinking about exactly what you say, as your tone of voice and body language can't be observed here. The only tools we have are words, punctuation and emoticons.
Apology accepted :-)
The specs for the BFGs indicate that with the 8" rims I can go with 31x10.5, 32x11.5, or 33x10.5. If I want to go with the 32" or 33" BFGs do I need to add a lift? If yes, can anyone recommend a decent lift? I really like the idea of going with 32" or 33" instead of 31". Thanks
http://www.natltire.com/ntw0799/pages/fithit6.html
It'll give you a good idea.
madman
such as:
33x9.50R15 BFG AT KO
or
LT 275/85R-15 Denman Coyote http://www.denmantires.com/denman_coyote_a.htm
I don't need the starting, door locks (what, doors?), power windows (power zippers?), or other features.
I don't really want it for keeping the car from getting stolen, even, but to keep the young punks from putting their hands where they don't belong.
I am looking at Bulldog, and Logix Alarm LA9324.
Any others to consider? If I didn't believe it was cruel, I'd just leave a guard dog there all day.
:-)
Possibly add the AU94T radar motion sensor.
Crutchfield can also supply a custom wiring harness, and they have a good reputation for customer service.
I guess they are still there, but I will have to scroll back through all the posts to find them, right?
They were from the day I ordered Thelma and from the day I picked her up.
Hope they are still there.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I FOUND THEM! NEVER MIND
Fit will depend on several factors (how much "sag" is in the suspension, what the "true" tire size is, etc, etc). But, like I said, it's a good starting point.
madman
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I want something with the motion sensor, "brains, remote (and transmitter), and siren only.
Don't want anything else, nor want to pay for anything extra. Maybe I can buy the sensor and a controller at radio shack. Will have to check it out.
I'm supposed to meet a couple other jeepers down at Turkey Bay on Kentucky Lake. There are jeep and four wheeler trails there, and it will host a Jambo in April.
I'll take plenty of pics, but I use a regular camera, so it will be a week or more before I have pics to post.
I can't believe I'm really taking my Thelma Jane offroad! I'm fired up for it, though, and I think I'll have a real good time. Thelma is excited too.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
My new 2002 Yellow Sport is home in Las Vegas!
I changed out the 30inch Goodyears for 45$ a tire in trade for 5 31inch BFG ATK KOs...and the new tire ROCK! I have not really need any super tight turns so I don't know if they are rubbing....or even what rubbing would feel like.
I got a MOPAR spair tire ski carrier and it seems like it will fit...although bairely......on my new 31inch spair.
I am putting on the steering box and engine skid plates (both MOPAR) within the next couple days.
The MOPAR hitch is nice but I think I will want a rear bumper hitch one day for a little more clearence for more serious offroading.......any suggestions guys and girls?
I am thinking of putting some Tuffy boxes in the back next to the bench seat on the wheel wells....aynone have experience out there with these? What color of their boxes match the AGATE jeep interior?
Lastly does the jeep come with the TORQ tools for the tops? I have the duak top group. Also anyone know of a good system for geting the hard top off and on?
The trip was overall pritty cool and the Jeep rocked! It snowed on I-70 in the Colorado Rockies and the jeep with the BFGs could car less! I have not even thrown it into 4 wheel drive yet! The sound system with the 7 speakers was not THAT bad......though was a little loud in my left ear....maybe some of the poly fill in the sound bar and else where would help.
If I can get a digital camera I will list my self on the jeep owners section here...
Again thanks for the little bits of info as I made the various purchase and optioning decisions.
Joe Stnaley
Just do it. I was in the same boat until last year. A friend of mine I grew up with who I never imagined in one (condo type) got one, and I said, "That's it, I'm the one who has always wanted one, and HE has one?" I decided then and there that even at 36, I wasn't too old for a JEEP.
Getting to the point where I don't care anymore - married, no kids, one dog.
Same here. Even more reason to do it: dogs love them. Ask TSJAY.
Considering a new Sport, Black with Tan hard top, tan interior.
Got a black 1997. Grey inside. Picked up a tan hard top in December in Albany (3 hours drive each way, topless on way out!!!...with friend from above!!!!!)
Mainly driving to work and back. Any thoughts on going from a car to a Jeep?
I'm afraid I'll end up confirming my fears of it being impractical.
No way! I bought mine because my Civic couldn't handle the dog, boat, camping, and also for skiing, boat junk, firewood (camping), etc. I bought a shelf which goes on the trailer hitch for coolers, wood, storage bins (for camping), and it performed awesome!!!
Thanks for any advice, arm twisting.
You are welcome. Let us know how you make out. If I could do it now, I might go for the silver or that orange/red/rust color. I like the color, and it looks like it would hide dirt and rust nicely in the future.
When I do use it in the winter (my other vehicle is a 4x2) I always plan on taking extra time to get home. What with the lousy handling in the wind and the fact that it can turn on a dime, so the steering is sensitive, I drive it slower. It also gets much better gas mileage if I keep the speed down close to 65, as well handling better.
So go for it - get that Wrangler!
Jeephead
No wife, female friend, 2 dogs that travel, no kids. The friend, dogs, and myself will normally not travel at the same time, but I don't think it would be a problem.
Driving a Suburban you should be use to buying gas. If you get rid of the Maxima it should not be that big a shock to have to buy a bit more gas for the Jeep. My boss is in the process of going from a Maxima for his wife to a Durango. I think he will be in for a shock.
I live in central Texas and plan on getting a soft top with the full doors. If it gets to hot I will put the top up. Baseball caps and cowboy hats will protect my thinning hair from being wind blown and also keep me from getting that terrible sunburn on top of my noggin.
My areas of concern are the wind we get down here and the inability to secure any valuables that I would leave in the vehicle. I get blown all over now so I will just deal with it. I won't be driving the Jeep if I have to go to the mall. I plan on leaving it unlocked most of the time and I am not getting some high dollar upgrade on the stereo. I have other vehicles available to me if I need to carry a bunch of people or cargo and it sounds like you have one to two more vehicles also.
Mine will be a daily driver a couple of times a week for 30 mile round trips. My drive is mostly highway with a mix of MP check points and a few stop lights with slower speeds. I don't see the Jeep as being a problem for any reason on my trips.
I test drove a 4 cylinder (all they had with a soft top) on Monday and it did OK on the road. I found a fairly rough parking lot at the livestock auction barn and hit it as fast as I could. They seem to ride a whole lot better than they used to, but they still move around a bit in the wind.
The bottom line in my opinion is that you will be pleasantly surprised by the jeep, but it won't be like driving the Maxima. I don't see the Jeep as being impractical for you.
GO FOR IT. I think you will enjoy it.
If you want a Jeep in your life, do your research, take test drives, then make your choice and go for it.
In years to come you'll be able to say "I used to own one of the last Wranglers they ever built!"
I drove Thelma as my daily driver for the first seven months that I owned her, up until I bought a little S-10 to drive to work. I was driving the Jeep the 54 miles round trip to work and back every day with no problem at all, and I even took her on business trips of up to 300 miles one way. NO PROBLEM!
I just got back from my first offroading trip, and IT WAS A BLAST! Jeeps do it all! Take the top off and the doors off and have a real ball. Take them offroading and have so much fun you can't believe it! They are also capable of getting you to work and back or whatever you need them to do.
Why didn't I get one years ago???
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I only have the soft top (with full doors). It's very warm in the winter and cool in the summer. The noise is no problem at all. I like having the soft top because you can put it up quickly when it rains. It wasn't difficult at all going from a sedan to the Jeep!
Go drive one! That's how I finally decided. Have fun!
Anyway, I intended to post a congratulations to you about your Jeep and was just gonna stretch out on the bed for a few minutes and then do it. The few minutes turned into three hours!
So... CONGRATULATIONS! I know you have to be thrilled to death with that baby! Come on over to Ky and go wheelin with me!
It's even more fun havin' a Jeep than you thought, huh? They HAVE to be the coolest vehicles you can buu!
Come to gill's and tell us all about it.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Why not tell us all about it right here? Besides, we're not supposed to be promoting other sites and boards. :-)
tidester
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Sorry it's been soooo long been busy with school, a friend's illness and the passing of my Aunt...but Jeeps r never far from my mind.
Seriously wakey if you can go for it. I'm looking at a 98 White Sahara at a local Honda dealership...trying to figure out how to swing it. It's an auto, got dual topsand for the most part is in fine shape. They're asking 16,000 for it but the salesman said, "I've got alot of room to work with you on it." Right....prove it
I owe around 3600 on my 95 Firebird, and the trade in value is around 4500, private sale around 5500, and retail around 12900. I need to get at least 6000 to have a decent downpayment..
Then have to hope to get a good finance rate...hopefully only four years, but I need my payments to be 200/mo or less (preferably less). I don't know how much insurance will go up per month. I currently pay 70/mo (including life insurance).
Gal, nice to see that you're still around...don't see ya in Gill's too much...get that computer back or get a laptop at a resale shop. You can get a decent one for around 200-400. Come to Gill's when you can though need to catch up every once in a while.
Well, you all behave and keep posting.
Hug your Jeeps for me!
dwrangler 0llll0
Remember, I have used THAT site to invite people HERE. There have been folks in there that never heard of edmunds.com until old tsjay told them in gill's chat room about this place.
I have been coming here for close to two years, I guess, and I have never encouraged anyone to leave here and have actually pleaded with people who were upset about something NOT to leave here.
This place will always be "home" to me (unless I get kicked out). It's the first Jeep site I ever went to, and despite finding several others, I have never abandoned this place.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S. Now that I think about it, I guess it has been close to three years that I have been coming to Edmunds. I bought a '99 Grand Cherokee Laredo in February of 1999, and I started hanging out on the Grand Cherokee board some time after that. I come to Edmunds DAILY, and, other than Gill's noncommercial site, I don't go anywhere else on a daily basis.
I have to first of all thank my guide, RodDawg. He met me down there and led me around the trails.
There were three Jeeps: RodDawg's 97 dark blue (now called Patriot Blue) Sport with a 4" lift and 33 x 12.50 tires, his friend's (Greg's) stock red 97 SE, and, of course, the lovely "Thelma Jane." We were very patriotic, the jeeps being red, white, and blue.
Rod's friend, Greg, was a first time offroader too.
Man, I just cannot believe the things we did today! These crazy Jeeps will go ANYWHERE!
Rod stopped at one point early on and turned right, leaving the trail and climbing up the hillside that the trail was cut into. I thought to myself, "This guys is absolutely nuts! I sure won't try that!" But I DID! Thelma Jane did the same thing that Rod's Jeep did. The terrain was so steep that I could only see Thelma's hood as we climbed that hill.
The next scary thing we did was to go up a steep, narrow, twisting, rocky ravine. Once again, I thought that there was no way I could follow Rod up that thing, but Thelma Jane just fell right in behind that lead Jeep and went up the ravine like it was no big thing.
At the end of the day we came to a nice big mudhole and played in it for a while. I made several passes throuh it, and I got Thelma good and muddy. She wasn't completely covered in mud, but it wasn't from lack of effort on my part. Her tires just don't stick out far enough to sling mud all over her. She still had plenty of mud on her, though.
I shot several pics, but I used a 35 MM camera, since I don't have a digi. I will try take up the rest of that roll's exposures and get it sent off for processing ASAP. I'll post a pic or two in the photo gallery here.
People, I HAD FUN! Thelma Jane had fun. Ross Allen had fun. WHAT A DAY!
RodDawg, thanks again!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
If you are still thinking about getting a Jeep, please email me, and I will be glad to give you the benefit of my experience in owning a Jeep. I also had some doubts about their practicality when I went from a beautiful, roomy, comfortable, powerful, Grand Prix GT sedan to a Jeep. NO REGRETS!
I can give you more details and discuss option choices with you, if you email me. I won't try to convince you to get the same options that I did, but I can now see the pros and cons of some of the option choices much better after owning a Jeep for a year.
email is... tjoh298765@aol.com
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
For reference purposes, I drove a Chrysler 300M for about 6 months until I got my second Jeep. Before that, it was Explorers, an Infiniti Q45, a Trooper, 280ZX, RX-7, a couple of Mustangs (68 & 80), and a few assorted, unremarkable pickups and cars.
None have been as much fun as the Wranglers.
Sure, I'm 40 years old, and my buddies all drive Yukons, Grand Cherokees, and Explorers, and they don't get. Hey "Its a Jeep thing, you want understand, guys.
I'm a little more critical of the highway part than tsjay, though. I use the Explorer whenever possible for long trips, just because its quieter. Although this latest generation is the most refined of the CJ/YJ/TJ line, its still noisy compared to most any other vehicle. Your Maxima and Suburban are far better choices for a road vehicle.
I think thats a great color combo and selection. I have both tops, and rarely use the soft top, because I have a lift in my garage. If you are planning on removing the hard top, get a lift! I cannot express this enough. It makes the job quick and easy. I bought it immediately after the first time my wife and I took the top off my first Jeep. Others express a preference for the soft top, so I'm going to try it again this summer, especially when I go to Camp Jeep up here in the Ozarks in July.
I would also recommend the CD player with subwoofer, or an aftermarket unit. And of course, air conditioning in Texas.
Impractical? Hmm, I always thought it was like a Swiss Army knife: top on or off; rear windows in or out; doors on or off; windshield up or down; trick it out with hundreds of accessories; lift it; drive to the office, drive the Rubicon. The slight noise and bumpy ride is more than offset by the terrific maneuverability, especially around town. Besides that, top down motoring is a blast, especially in a Jeep.
So don't worry about comfort with a Wrangler - it is definitely better than a Tacoma!
I know you've been here a while and you're one of our most valuable members - didn't mean to imply you're doing anything improper. Besides, anyone who exhibits as much enthusiasm for Jeeps as you do is obviously an asset to Edmund's!
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And, you sure have that right about my enthusiasm for Jeeps! You ought to consider one!
I'll tell you a great place to get retail and invoice costs for the Jeep and the various options. It's also a great place to get a good idea about the trade-in value of the vehicle you are going to be trading. Also, you can go to some of the message boards and find out what kind of deals people are getting in relation to invoice on the new Jeeps and which options are good to have. I made full use of that place when I was shopping for a Jeep, and I got a great deal because of the research I had done there. It's called Edmunds.com!
I do thank Edmunds for the great web site they have provided. I was serious about all that I said above. The information I obtained here was invaluable in getting the deal made on Thelma Jane.
By doing my homework here, I knew that I should be able to trade my 2000 Grand Prix for the new Jeep for about $7000 with tax and all. The first place I went wanted $10,000 and the second $9000. I knew better than to take either of those deals because of the info I got here. I ended up trading at the third place for about $6500! Thanks a bunch, Edmunds!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Well..i guess in the only no off-roader left..
All alone now..I just dont think I could knowingly get TAZZ dirty...
WASKY..get that jeep boy..u will love it..
they are impracticle..gas guzzlers...no storage..
PERFECT!! I have no regrets at all about getting tazz.. Its my toy...
Ok jeepers..
not going to make it to "that other site" tonight all..gotta a sick little girl here...
take care all
KEEP JEEPIN
Bama
I agree with you about Edmunds being a big help in the decision process and thanks to all of you that post. Even just lurking out here I still get lots of good input. Glad to know that my backside won't go numb on my four hour trips to Oklahoma, thanks to MTNGAL.
I finally did my test drive on Monday and actually saw a real live Amber Fire Wrangler. The Amber Fire will be the one with Sienna as a close second.
I did the test drive solo so I still don't know how quiet the new soft top material is, but I thought it was quieter than the old tops.
The ride seems to be a whole lot better than what I remember from the old days.
57 days and a wake up till I order, not that I am counting or any thing.
1. Trying to tell me the $500 rebate only applied to Automatic Transmission Wranglers.
2. Trying to convince me that a hypothetical Wrangler with a "mini console" was the same as one with a "full console"
3. Trying to tell me that I'd need a 6 cylinder engine to carry the weight of a hardtop and all the options I was adding on.
4. Even went so far as to accuse me of "taking all the fun out of buying a vehicle" because I wanted to order exactly what I wanted from the factory rather than accept something else that they had on their lot.
And the benefit didn't stop there. Since I started posting on this discussion board, I've learned invaluable information about maintaining my Jeep and about cars in general than I ever thought I would know. I even got tips on driving a stick-shift!
Thanks to Edmunds, I'm convinced that I got the best deal that I possibly could have gotten at the time, and I was able to get EXACTLY what I wanted. As a result, I have had not even one SECOND of regret since I made my purchase just over 10 months ago. I don't even mind paying my monthly loan payment!
yellowman