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Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
To all who are new Wrangler owners - greetings! How to enjoy your Jeep more fully? Get it dirty!
Mine got a bit dirty Sunday - went hiking with the dog to one of my favorite hiking spots. The views were great! Saturday I went car shopping for the Taco replacement. I've pretty much decided on the Forester to compliment my Wrangler. But then I hear talk about the Rubicon, and it distracts me, gets me thinking about using my '98 for a daily commuter and the fact that the Rubicon could easily go where I'm now reluctant to take the '98...
I've been keeping up with the posts on here for a while, absorbing as much as I can. Reading has been really helpful in making shopping and buying decisions -- and I finally pulled the trigger on my purchase last week.
I picked up a 1997 Wrangler Sport, 5spd, black with black soft top, half doors, gray interior, AC, Grizzly wheels and 31" BFG ATs. The dealer should be installing a brand new soft top for me within the week.
I'll probably post more now that I'm actually an owner. At any rate, here I am, and it's nice to meet y'all!
Rob
Northern VA
Mtngal--the board had this discussion about 3 months back about the engineering differences b/w inline and V-type engines. Maybe somebody can find the posts. I remember posting a link that explained the different physics involved. The gist of it was that an inline engine requires fewer parts. Because V-type pistons are firing at different angles, the engine requires counterweights to quell side-to-side vibrations. The inline engines don't need that. Neither do boxer engines like Subaru uses, since the pistons are directly opposed and cancel each other out. Hence, the engines that tend to last the longest are I4, I6, flat 4...
I am probably in way over my head here (been a long time since high-school physics) but it also seems to me that an engine that doesn't have to use energy moving counterweights around should be more efficient as well.
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Post like a demon! Glad you broke the ice.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I have a small dual axle stock trailer that I will have to pull a few times each year."
I got a Tomken bumper with integral hitch receiver. Ground clearance is great, possibly better than stock.
HOWEVER, if I had to do it over, I might go for another brand which allows an integrated swing out tire carrier. The Tomken one requires drilling or bolting one on there. Otherwise, the Tomken is fine. The reason I want a swingout carrier is because I have the 31 inch tires, and it seems kind of heavy back there, plus I might want to mount a tire mount ski rack and possibly hilift jack rack to that.
Other notable I6's:
Toyota Supra
BMW (various)
Volvo?
etc.
(Of course, I would LOVE if they lengthened the wheelbase [just a little] and made a new Scrambler!)
Only rubs when wheels are cut all the way (such as when pulling out of my driveway).
I have a 3/4 inch poly spacer lift. If I had to do it over, I'd either go for a 2" poly spacer, or do it right and go with a 2 1/2 inch lift for like $400-500.
How about this: I paid $13,500 for a 1997 last August with 53,000 miles on it.
If you want to sell that one, let me know, and I'll trade mine in and get yours. I'll make an offer right here of 14,000.
BTW, I'm coming up on my first 3K oil change, probably by the end of the month. I was reading on here last week that there were some things that I should do (other than the obvious "oil change"). Anybody have some info? Hook a brotha up!! :-)
Des'
1973 240Z - 2.4l bought it with 105k and drove it another 65k, NO engine problems.
1984 Toyo Supra - 2.8l bought it with 40k, drove it another 140k, NO engine problems
Wrangler SPort - 4.0l , hoping for the same kind of service out of it.
Glad to see all the posting and congrats to all the new owners (lots of 'em!).
-twylie
Oh and congrats to the new Jeep owners...I'M JEALOUS
Take care and Hug your Jeeps for me
dwrangler
When I left the Jeep dealership, my monthly payments were EXACTLY what I had come up with on the Financing section of the Jeep site. Not one cent more.
You're definitely right though -- the first thing you need to do is figure out exactly what you want.
Good luck
Laura
Not to mention a Mercury (ANY Mercury) isn't exactly a vehicle you aspire to own.
Most people I know finance their cars for four to five years. The cardinal rule of financing is "you shall not payments on a car you dislike." That what was the ultimate swaying point for me when I bought my TJ new in March 1998. I ordered it with the options I wanted, the colors I wanted, and took out a five-year loan. After my trade-in, I had to finance around $11,500. This kept my monthly payments at $220, which was managable.
I ended up paying it off more than a year ahead of schedule, and now that I have the title I can still say this: I love this car. There are somethings that annoy me about it (mostly the noise and poor gas mileage) but I love how it looks, I love driving it around with the top down, I love that I can handle nearly any BLM or USFS "road" when I am out in the wild. I maintain it religiously (oil change every 3000 miles, all other fluids every 20,000 miles) and it has given me over four years and 40,000 miles of almost perfect service.
I recommend caution here on the board when new people post questions asking if they should get a Wrangler, because I think they need to know some of the downsides to this vehicle. Fact is, though, that I love this Jeep and never hated making payments on it. I've paid it off and have no desire to get rid of it. How many vehicles can you say that about, especially in this price range?
Deb..be glad to email ya copy of sticker & invoice..no prob...
I agree with saharagal..go to jeep.com figure out what you want with everything..figure out payments..then start dropping exta options u could live without..I would try to get the largest downpayment u can..that will get those payments lower..
i always pay $20.00 more on my payment..that will help on the end.
Keep Us posted
BAMA!!
I love your rule about not making payments on a car you can't stand. We're in that position. We bought (and financed) that Y2K Taco now sitting in the driveway because I haven't bothered to take it to get it fixed (suspect possible partial radiator blockage). At the time we bought it we had planned on keeping it for 10 years, like our Nissan. However, there is a great deal of comfort difference between an '88 Nissan Hardbody and a '00 Tacoma. Our Wrangler will probably stay with us that long, unless we decide to trade it in on another Wrangler sometime - I plan on always having a Wrangler as long as our life style stays the same.
I agree that the Wrangler isn't for everyone, and have often posted here about the many drawbacks to it (gas mileage, poor handling in the wind, steering too quick for safe handling at high speeds, bouncy suspension, especially over expansion joints on certain freeways). On the other hand, I'd rather pay the extra gas (15 gallons rather than 10 gallons every 2 days), and have a longer commute due to slower speeds than put up with the Taco.
Anyone buying a car should be really sure that what they are buying is what they want. No one wants to be in my shoes - I'm on the wrong side of the note on the Taco (owe more than its worth) and will probably end up either having to buy a new car for considerably over what it would normally go for to make up the difference or taking out another type of loan to pay off the difference. That is a horrible position to be in, and I'm just about desperate enough to take the plunge to get rid of the Taco.
Good luck. I have to wait until August and I am still trying to find out what, if anything, is going to change on the '03 TJ.
I have a vehicle now that I will still be enjoying immensely when I write the check for that 60th payment! I think most people in here are aware of my history of trading vehicles way too often. That's how I ended up $8000 upside down on trade-in when I bought Thelma Jane.
I have owned Thelma for 15 months now and I enjoy her as much as I did on day one! And maybe the best days are yet to come, since I will be doing some mods as I get the money to do them. Mods are a whole lot cheaper than trading vehicles! At least you pay for them as you go and you don't just keep getting deeper in debt all the time.
I am trying to remember the last vehicle that I kept for as long as 15 months. Let's see, the 2000 Grand Prix GT was 8 months (bought new), the '99 Grand Cherokee Laredo was 13 months (bought new), the '95 Explorer was 14 months (bought used), the '94 Z28... you get the picture.
I LOVE MY JEEP! Yeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Just as a general thing - Wranglers are polarizing. You either love them or hate them. All of the people I know who have bought one love them. I can't think of anyone who I've met who actually bought one and didn't like it. Normally those people either never look at them to begin with, or else they figure out quickly when they test drive them that they can't live with the drawbacks.
And that's a good thing - at least a Wrangler doesn't try to be something it isn't, like a number of other cars I could name...
I have room in the cellar for storing the hard top, but will need to get it through a door.
Otherwise, it is out in the back yard on some logs.
I don't know. Guess I will wait for the next person to post with his 31 inch tire, 15X8 wheel, and no lift experience. I still have some time.
Out of curiosity, get them to measure the back space on your Canyons the next time they are taken off.
By the way, I was advised in msg 4828 that the Canyons were a good wheel. Can't remember who posted that reply.
Seeing more Wranglers around work in the barracks parking areas. Three black, one white, one brown, one red, and a funky blue color have shown up in the last month. I am not noticing them more, just seems like spring is making them sprout up.
How many miles on Thelma Jane?
To me it seems like lots of Jeep owners are really devoted fans and that there is a real following. It also seems like the Willys/CJ/Wrangler style of Jeep is known all across the globe, more than any other vehicle. Maybe the "Bug" would be a close second.
Since we are avid fans of a well known vehicle, why not add another standard feature or an optional upgrade? How about baby pictures?
They could do a standard pack of like 4 normal size photos of various stages of the vehicle being built that is included with the TJ you buy off the lot.
If you order a vehicle you could upgrade to maybe about 10 photos that are 8X10 and they also put them on a floppy or cd. Have the VIN in the corner of the photo with the date in the opposite corner.
I would love to see a web cam type thing where you could follow your vehicle by typing in your VON or VIN, but workers might not like the intrusion into their privacy at any time you felt the need.
I would be willing to pay $20 for a standard pack or maybe $50 for the optional pack.
Just call me a nut case, but since it is so quiet I have all this time to think.
Another topic that came up in another board I read - how would you define a Wrangler? Is it a truck, an SUV, a subcompact convertable or ?
Today when it happened, I took out the Factory Service Manual (a great $90 investment for the mechanically inclined) and after about 30 min was able to confirm it was the starter and not the clutch interlock, relay or any other part of the system. The final test that confirmed it was having my wife sit in the Jeep with the key turned to the start position. I crawled under the Jeep and tapped the starter with a rubber mallet. Vrooooom, fired right up. Apparently a bad spot in the starter that would randomly stop at the right point and then fail to start.
The dealer was very nice and is holding a starter for me along with the parts to do the ignition recall. Jeep goes in Tuesday and I should have it back by Wed. I will say they were very accomodating to schedule a repair that I diagnosed. The service manager suggested the "tap the starter with a hammer" and when I told them that worked, they said they'd take care of it.
Need to get the Jeep ready for a beach trip coming up!
-twylie
Of course, it is a type of truck, not a car. The drivetrain/chassis/axle setup demonstrates that clearly. In my mind, I think of Wranglers/CJs are being closer to pickups than SUVs, because they aren't an option for the soccer-mom set generally speaking. I've heard it said that the CJ was the ancestor of modern SUVs, but I disagree; that seems more like an offspring of the old Jeep Wagoneers or even the original (1930s) Chevy Suburbans.
Since I have started doing some offroading, the Canyon wheels are getting the clearcoat scratched off in places. Before they get too bad, I want to get some new wheels and store those Canyons.
I have ordered five AR767's with center pieces and chrome lug nuts, and I am also getting five new BFG M/T KM 31 x 10.50 tires. I am buying the wheels and tires at the same place that gave me that super deal on the AT's last year.
I guess that guy did not make a mistake last year when he gave me so much trade-in on those factory Goodyear Wrangler GSA's. I am getting $87.50 trade-in per tire on the AT's that have 5000 miles on them, and I am getting $97.50 for the never-used spare!
I was hoping the wheels would come in today, but no luck. I guess I will get them Monday.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Just Empty Every Pocket is right..
tom, you started that off-road stuff..now here come ths mods.. I feel a lift coming for Themla in about 3 months..
Im looking at the overhead security console..CB..& a hard top hoist for Tazz.
Am also curious about road noise and ride with the new tires and of course any rubbing problems.
Tell all when you get some miles on those KMs.
Am I going to have to send you a digital camera so we can actually see pics of this new wheeling tsjay?
What did you have to buy the Mrs. so you could get the tires and wheels through purchasing?
-twylie
I just wish the wheels had come in today!
You asked how many miles Thelma Jane has on her in an earlier post. She has 15,895 on her now.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Speaking of desert - I'm once again heading for Vegas this weekend. At least I'll go in comfort - I haven't gotten the Taco fixed yet. And maybe if the traffic looks bad I'll take a dirt bypass...
Steve
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Well, my Jeep is now one year old. I'm doing my 5th oil change on Monday, and this time I'm having my mechanic guy do it for me (with my provided Mobil 1 of course). I also want him to take a peek at the brakes and snoop around, see if he sees anything else that it might need after one year.
My question is, for those who use their Jeep as a daily driver, what kind of maintenance do you do after a year? Replace the tires? Replace the brakes? I have about 16,350 miles (tsjay, I'm about 500 miles ahead of you now!)
Incidentally, I concur with ducks and tsjay. After 12 payments, I have had ZERO regrets about getting the Wrangler. I LOVE it!!! Sure there are a couple minor drawbacks, but that's nothing in comparison to the upside of it. I honestly think I'll get another one when my 60 months are up! (maybe even sooner!)
yellowman
It is a simple ratio between your original tire diameter and your new tire diameter. You need to find out the actual diameter of both your original tires and your current ones. They use "nominal" values when they speak of 30" tires or 31" tires. I have heard that the factory Goodyear Wrangler GSA's that are called 30" tires actually measure only about 28.5". My BFG All Terrains on Thelma now actually measure 30.7."
Just for clean calculation purposes, if you had a true 30" tire and went to a true 33" tire, you would be increasing your tire size by 10%, so your odometer would read only 90% of the actual miles you had driven. You would divide the indicated mileage on your odometer by 0.9 to get the true mileage.
Of course the same error is present in your indicated speed. You have to allow for that.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S. Before you mathmeticians jump all over me, the technically correct factor in my example above would be to divide the indicated mileage by 30/33, or .909, but it is a lot easier to just divide by 0.9. The accuracy of the original odometer readings with the factory set up probably doesn't warrant any more precision than that.
Tom
Goodyear says the 30" GSA tire is actually 29.9", and Goodrich says their 31" Mud Terrain is actually 30.9." I didn't look up the All Terrain 31" while I was at Goodrich, but I will do so.
Tom
If you want to go to the Goodrich site, you need to go to bfggoodrichtires.com. If you just type bfgoodrich.com, you get to the corporate home page, and I couldn't find anything about tires there.
So, I am not trying to talk anyone into anything here, but I do want to give you the benefit of my own experience and give you something to think about.
There was NO ONE IN THE WORLD more particular about the appearance of his Jeep than I was. I just could not stand to see her dirty, and even a simple hand wash was a minimum of two hours, the way I did it. I scrubbed every single teeny tiny spot of bug guts or road tar until it was gone. I scrubbed the tires and wheels and inside the fender wells. I chamoised Thelma immdediately after washing her, so that she would not have soap spots. I blacked up her tires with great pains taken to get a good, even coat of armorall on them.
I would go into the house and get a wet and a dry paper towel and get the day's bug guts off of her grill before putting her in the garage for the night!
I have actually been known to not even go somewhere that I was supposed to go, simply because Thelma was clean and the roads were wet!
You should have the picture by now, so I will go on.
How in the world did I get from this state of being so anal about her appearance to now taking her out in the mud and through the bushes?
It didn't happen overnight. I kept reading posts in different Jeep groups about people wheelin' their Jeeps, and it just became more and more exciting to think about. I finally just HAD to try it. It is just like owning a Jeep to start with. You THINK you know how much fun it would be, but until you get your Jeep, you don't have a clue about how much fun it really is.
All it took was one trip, and I was totally hooked on it!
I still care very much about how Thelma Jane looks, but if something doesn't even show from 10 feet away, I am not going to worry about it!
It is well worth a few minor scratches on her flares and hardtop to have the fun that I have (and that Thelma has) offroading. I swear, I really think Thelma Jane is happy as she can be when she is showin' her stuff on the trail. You will be totally amazed by the things your Jeeps will do and the places you can drive them through even in stock configuartion!
Ok, that's all I have to say for now. If you try it and get some damage (always a possibility), then don't say I talked you into trying it. That HAS to be your decision, and, like I said, I did not get to that point because someone talked me into it. There is not a person in the world that could have convinced me to take my baby offroading until I reached the proper state of mind on my own.
Thelma still looks good and I will keep her that way. If I get serious damage, I will get it fixed. So, I am still enjoying her in the same ways that I did before, but I have a whole new way to enjoy her as well! I don't feel like I have given up anything of any real importance in order to gain a whole new world of enjoyment.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
If you go to their site at superlift.com and then go to the new product information you will see a description of it. Four wires to hook up and then you calibrate it. No idea what the cost is, maybe about the price of the Forrester that you are looking at.
You posted earlier about a Wrangler being truck, suv, or what ever.
To me a Wrangler is a Jeep.
An suv type vehicle that is fully enclosed without 4wd that you would not want to throw a load of loose dirt in is a station wagon.
The above description of the station wagon, but add 4wd to it and it is an suv.
A vehicle that is not fully enclosed that you could have a back hoe fill the rear with dirt is a truck.
Just my thoughts.
My view of the station wagon tends to irritate a couple of folks at work who drive Explorers. One of them traded in their Ranger on the Explorer and now are always having to borrow a truck.
Steve
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But not any more!
How are things out your way? When ya gonna come wheel with me?
Tom
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TAZZ-- the last of the CLEAN Jeeps!
Got my Recall notice on thurs. got an appointment on Monday morning to fix..
ALSO..Seems that Chrysler did not get my last payment GRRRRR.. Now that will be a hassel to fix.
I sure dont have $600 to give them this month.
I pay by money order, going to post office to figure out what to do.
Keep Jeepin
BamaTazz
Gary