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Now if it's just fun to drive.
Grand High Poobah
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This diesel is no slouch either!
2.685cc - 5 cylinder - 20V
Common-rail injection
Power: 170 bhp @ 4200 rpm
Torque: 273 ft-lbs @ 1800-2800 rpm
0-60 mph: 8.9 seconds
Top Speed: 143 mph
Unfortunately gluttony seems to be sexier than efficiency these days(except when talking about super models) so I am sure this will never happen. But it is nice to dream.
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Grand High Poobah
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Grand High Poobah
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Grand High Poobah
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http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/2004/v2kmdl6473ovw.html
Grand High Poobah
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The Honda Odyssey had trouble its first year, the MB ML320 had trouble its first couple of years and now both are fine reliable vehicles. Reliability of new vehicles has improved over the years but there are still going to be problems even for the best car companies.
My opinion is that if you're worried about reliability that strongly stick with the MDX. You won't go wrong. If you decide that the possibly occasional problem is too much try the Pacifica.
Grand High Poobah
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Grand High Poobah
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If the aforementioned diesel was offered I would be down at the dealership now with my down payment. I hope they are able to build it without having to totally change the thing just to bring it to market. This is one to keep an eye on for sure.
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Grand High Poobah
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http://www.auto.com/photos/gallery/2002/chryslerpacifica/03chryslerpacifica.jpg
Grand High Poobah
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Also, from Edmund.com's Future Vehicles, here a direct link to their Chrysler Pacifica photos. Hope you enjoy!
Revka
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Plus, I'm sure that some custom shop will probably charge you an arm, leg, and an ear (??) along with the money you gave them to put it in there.
Someone will have the guts to put one in there, I just know it.
The greenhouse would be silly if it doesn't have a sunshade or tinting available. I doubt the production model will be as large as the one I've seen in pictures.
Grand High Poobah
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Grand High Poobah
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As far as the structure of the car and the greenhouse thing goes the A, B, and C pillars with their respective cross braces across the roof provide the structural strength not the roof itself.
And their is at least one car out there that has almost as much glas in the roof as the Pacifica, the Suburu Outback has an available second row moonroof for a total of two in the roof. I like the idea of a greenhouse with a shade or self tinting glass better than a second moonroof.
I just think the greenhouse would give the second row passengers a much more open and non claustrophobic feeling back there. I know I would enjoy it. I hope they keep it and make it standard fare.
Grand High Poobah
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http://www.car-truck.com and http://www.allpar.com
I also learned that everything in Chrysler's lineup was based on the K-Car (Up until 1995, talk about a great way to save money, with everything based on one platform), with the exception of the Mitsubishi clones, the LH series, and the 80's Large Cars (New Yorker, Diplomat, etc)
You must think that I have been living in the twilight zone, but I really didn't know that!
Hmm, makes you wonder.... whether something in the Pacifica or any other Modern Day Chrysler has at least some small part from there too.
Since Mr. Lee Iacocca is trying to return (But Mr. Evil in Germany won't answer his phone) I wonder is he going to try to do the 80's and the 90's over again?
I also would like to see the MPG on this vehicle. Chrysler vans have too low an MPG.
http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/concept.html
Now if they put in the MB diesel engine it would probably use about as much fuel as a neon.
Worked this morning.
You made the statement that Chrysler minivans have poor mileage. Compared to what? The Honda Oydessy is rated 18/25. The 2003 Chrysler minivan is rated 19/25.Do you know of any SI powered 4300 pound vehicle that does much better than that?
Ed
Decreasing frontal area and coeffecient of drag does wonders for highway mileage.
dorrity, why shocked that the Aztek only gets 18/25? What did you expect? A Honda Pilot only gets 17/22. 18/25 isn't unreasonable at all.
Let me see if I got this. 19/25 mpg is poor, but 20/29 is terrific. If you say so.
Frontal area? Huh? The minivans weigh 700 pounds more than the Buick LeSabre. I admit at high speeds frontal area and drag are important, but below 50 mph, they matter little.
I own a 2002 T&C. My brother owns a 2001 LeSabre.
I admit the Buick rides a bit smoother and quieter than my minivan, but then it rides smoother than just about any sedan. However, I can and have carried seven adults in great comfort, can the Buick do that? no.
I can carry a 4x8 sheet in the minivan, the Buick, no. I can pop the hatch and put my bike in the back of the minivan, is it that easy in the Buick? no.
I have owned full sized sedans for the past 10 years, my new minivan blows them away for versatility. IMHO, the Pacifica just puts another nail in the coffin of the sedan.
I am still waiting for someone to come up with a 4300 pound SI vehicle that gets much better than 19/25 mpg.
I did not say 20/29 was terrific (or even good) - it is terrible, but I want a jetta wagon with the diesel engine, so almost everything else is pretty bad compared to that.
I also said lower frontal/drag help w/ "highway" mileage. Maybe you drive 50 on the highway, but where I live the speed limit is 75 and most people go 80. At that speed frontal area and drag are a huge factor - much more than a few hundred pounds. Also regarding weight - I have a minivan that seats 7 comfortably, and only weighs 3,500 lbs. First generation Odyssey.
Anyway like I have said many times before if DC puts the MB diesel in the Pacifica it will get much much better than 19/25.
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&content_code=09892435
Grand High Poobah
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