Jeep Wrangler

tsjay · January 2001

Hey, Jeffer2!

Have you decided whether to get a Jeep or not?

Let us hear how things turn out, or feel free to post more questions. Hope you are getting the info you need from this group.

tsjay

tsjay · January 2001

Hey, Ducks!

We miss you! Where the heck have you been?

How about letting us hear from you????

tsjay

tsjay · January 2001

Back in mid to late October last year, when I was struggling so bad in trying to figure out some way to trade for a Jeep, a few people were posting some real nice articles to offer me encouragement and to give me good advice. I haven't seen any posts from these nice folks in quite a while, and I miss you guys.

Spike66, weatherdog, and kmq102, WHERE HAVE YOU GONE? You were one of these folks too, Goducks1, but I have already posted a request to hear from you.

I hope I'm not forgetting anyone, because a lot of different people were really sympathetic to my desire for a Wrangler.

Some of you guys who are still actively posting were very nice to me too, but I'm trying to find out where some of our friends have gone.

Let's hear from you guys!

tsjay

louburr · January 2001

I'm buying a 2001 Jeep Wrangler SE 5 speed manual shift and need some help picking out the best options. The car will be used for a daily commute of about 30 miles per day. At this time I don't see any off-roading in my future. I might run it on the beach once of twice just to say I did. The only options I have picked so far are Radio - AM/FM Compact Disc(RBR) and Door - Full Metal w/Roll-up Windows(GCF). I also opted for the Highback cloth seats. No Hardtop since I has no place to store it. My questions are
1) Which tires should I get / what are the advantages of them. choices are 15X7 Grizzly Aluminum Wheels or 15X7 Full Face Steel Wheels, or the standard 15" x 6.0" Styled Steel
2)Is A/C a valid option with the 4 cyl engine.
3)Is there something else I should be considering?
Thanks for your help
Lou

tsjay · January 2001

It's strictly personal preference when it comes to looks, but I like the Grizzlies compared to those other choices you mentioned. I have the "Canyons" on my Sport, and these are my favorite style wheels, but the Grizzlies are my second choice.

Air conditioning? Coudn't live without it myself, but it depends on your climate. You didn't say where you live, but here in western KY I would not want to be without air conditioning.

Unless you are going to upgrade your stereo with some after market stuff, I would DEFINITELY get the $200.00 subwoofer option! You ought to try to find a Jeep with it and one without it, and compare the two. If you can't do that, then just take my word for it: there's a world of difference in the sound quality.

Also, if you ever think you'll be on ice or snow, they say that the trac loc is a real good option. I didn't know the value of it until after I had placed my order, so I didn't get it. Wish I had, though. Unless you are getting the $840.00 canyon wheel/30" tire/Dana 44 option, the trac loc will cost you close to $600.00. I could have had it for less than $300.00, since I was already getting the Dana 44 rear end in the Canyon package!

What color are you thinking about?

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

jeffer2 · January 2001

Tsjay,

Jeffer2 here. My Wrangler search is on hold for a little bit. I have a few other things going on right now.

I'm thinking of a new vehicle though because my current ride (a 1995 Grand Prix SE with just over 40,000 miles) has been a little unreliable lately. Last month I had to have a fuel injector replaced. Last week I had to have it towed in because the ignition switch/lock cylinder either wore out or broke. I used to have '91 GP that had over 200,000 mile on it when I got rid of it, but this '95 - I'm a little disappointed in. Too bad because it's a good driver, and comfortable car. Your 2000 was even better.
Anyway, that's why I asked a few questions here about Jeep relialbilty and dealer service. I'd also like to do some basic maintenance myself. The GPs are impossible to work on (at least for me). You can't even get to the spark plugs.

My brother used to have a '93 Wrangler he really liked, but he had to sell it for college. Only complaint he had was that the locks froze up a few times, and finally broke, and the tops were hard to install. Someone else I know has a '95, that he is really impressed with. I always loved convertibles.

Besides a Wrangler, I may look at a Ranger or Escape (I know about the recalls). I'll post here when I decide what to do.

How's Thelma Jan? Later - Jeffer2

louburr · January 2001

I'm getting the jeep in yellow. I live in NY state. So I probably should get ac. I'm worried about the effect of the AC and power of the engine. We have about 1 and 1/2 of snow so I'll look into the trac loc. Thanks for your help

tsjay · January 2001

If you think you would only need the air conditioning for about a month or so in the middle of the summer, then I wouldn't worry too much about the power issue. Even if it is a little bit of a strain on the engine, you will only be using it a small percentage of the time, like in the hottest part of the day for only a month or month and a half each year. It would help you on resale value, probably, too.

You are right about the 4 cylinder not being exactly a power house. But, for a lot of people's needs, it does just fine. It won't do a whole lot better on gas than the six, but the inital cost between a Sport and an SE is ridiculous. For all practical purposes, all you are getting with the Sport that you don't get with the SE is the I-6 engine.

I do a lot of highway driving and have to take business trips, so I wanted the six for the extra power. That's why I got a Sport instead of an SE.

Yellow sounds good. It is a real popular color these days. It sure does catch your eye! I've seen quite a few, and they do look good.

Not just any dealer has someone who even knows how to order a Jeep. Be sure and find someone who knows the option packages and let them work up something for you. Even if you buy somewhere else, then you will at least know what you are getting. If you are not going to order from the factory, it is still important to know what equipment is available in what combinations, so you might want to go somewhere pretending that you are going to order from the factory.

Keep in mind what I said about the subwoofer, if you want a decent sound system without spending money for after market stuff.

Are you going with 30" tires? Jeeps sure look a LOT better with the bigger tires!

Catch you later

tsjay

kevinvsr · January 2001

Happy New Year all! Man, go away and everything changes. The forum is new and TSJAY has his Jeep! Way to go! Ok, let me see if I can actually post based on the complaints I've read on this new format. First, my new '01 Sport is now over a month old with 1200 miles. Average MPG has been 16.5. Pretty consistent too, and that has been mostly highway but also some 4wd. Overall, I absolutely love my new Jeep. No complaints yet. We have had a fair amount of snow in December in Southwestern Ohio, so the Jeep got to have some fun. What a great snow car. I opted for the Dana 44 instead of ABS, a tough choice, but let me alleviate some fears of those worried about that choice. I have had to re-learn my winter braking technique without ABS, but from my roots in Western NY, it came back quickly. Also, the Jeep actually brakes well in snow, locking up very little. I think the tread on the 30" tires helps a great deal if there is some snow pack. It is very controllable despite the short wheelbase.

On the dual top, I still am very glad I paid extra for both, but the hardtop benefits are really for cold climates or extended highway travel. Without those, the new soft top is just fine, especially if you get full doors. The hardtop is considerable warmer and quieter though. My only concern is where to put this thing come spring. I am looking into some hoist options. I have a garage for it, but don't want to take up my baby's parking spot for it either.

BTW, before I go, got a question. Does anyone use an automatic car wash with their Jeep? I wanted to run my Jeep through a car wash real quick to get the salt off, but was reluctant to try. I have the full doors and the hardtop is on, but wanted some input first. I would prefer to hand wash it, but in a pinch, will an automatic car wash do?

Well, greetings to all again. Hope to read and post more here in the new year. Could be a resolution of sorts I guess. Take care.

kevinvsr

tsjay · January 2001

Welcome back! I knew I was forgetting some of my Wrangler IV buddies when I posted the "where are you guys" articles.

Yep, it really happened! I got my Jeep after that long, long struggle. Had to take out a home equity loan to clear up some of the debt on the Grand Prix. I don't remember what my situation was the last time I heard from you. Had I ordered Thelma Jane yet? Or was I still in a dither trying to figure out a way to get a Jeep?

Have you checked out my web page for Thelma Jane yet? http://members.aol.com/tjoh298765/thelma.html

Let me know what you think about her.

I got Thelma on December 8th. It was only three weeks and two days from the time that my order was placed until I was driving her. She has right at 1600 miles on her and she has had zero problems. My gas mileage is similar to yours. The last tank checked out 17.9, but she hadn't been doing quite that well as a rule. Maybe she's breaking in and the gas mileage is going up.

Did you post any pics of your Jeep? I don't want to go scrolling back twenty articles at a time to try to find your last post. I wish there was a better way to get around and find articles. I have talked to so many people and read so many posts that I can't remember if you posted any links to pics of your Jeep.

So glad you're back! Keep that posting resolution and be an active participant in this group again, ok?

Some of us were trying to get a weekly chat session going, but it hasn't gotten off the ground yet. Do you have Instant Message? If you do, holler at me. I'm tjoh298765 on Instant Message, so put me on your buddy list and holler when you see me online, which is about any time from 6:00 PM to 10:30 PM CST weekdays and almost any time on weekends.

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

tsjay · January 2001

I forgot to put my two cents worth about automatic car washes into my post. I would never put my Thelma Jane through one of those things.
I just don't trust them. Even the "touchless" car washes use such high pressure that I would be afraid of damage.

I know how bad it hurts having a dirty Jeep and the weather being too cold to wash it yourself. I've just been through that myself. Yesterday was our first day with a temperature above freezing in about three and a half weeks. I washed Thelma today, and she is LOOKING GOOD! I just about froze off my fingers (and other appendages), but it was worth it.

Later,Kevin

tsjay

gcl98 · January 2001

Who's got a 2001 Wrangler Sport (6cyl) with a 5 speed? Any excessive noise from the transmission?

I test drove one today at the dealer and it made a lot of noise while in neutral, but when I put it gear (or just depressed the clutch pedal) it went away.

I know the 2000s had lots of complaints regarding this, but do all who have the 2001 model notice this?

gcl98 · January 2001

Great TJ web page. It's nice to see action shots of TJs on the trail.

Spyro -

How well does that rack work with the dual tops? I imagine it's got to come off to remove the hard top for the summer. Does it interfere with the operation of the fold-down soft top?

spyrodragon · January 2001

Yea go for it... as long as you've got the hard top it won't hurt it. I did it several times before I put my rack on and it did fine, no leaks, no scratches... plus paiting a hard top is a piece of cake. I had to do some touch up after I dropped some wrenches on it while putting the Daylighters on. They just don't recomend going through with the soft top one, the brissles can scratch the windows.

spyrodragon · January 2001

Actually it's pretty easy... The whole thing does have to come off when you take the hard top off, but it's only like 8 bolts to get it off. It's easier to do than the hard top itself. It take two people but so does the top, so just do it all at once. When the soft top is on, you have to take four bolts out and the whole thing will tilt back at an angle to allow you to put the top up and down... it takes about 5min. extra time to do but it's not that hard. I have quick disconnects on the light wirring so I just pull those off and undo the bolts and tilt the whole thing back. Go this site, It's a Garvin Industry roof rack.
http://store.yahoo.com/camelot/jeepexrac.html
I like it though... It can hold up to 500lbs. I've had me and two of my friends on top with some luggage and nothing bent, nothing even squeaked. Hope this Helps. Dragonfly and I are gonna try to get some more pics posted soon. Glad you like the site.
http://www.sparx.muddyyellowjeep.com/

wheelsdown · January 2001

oops

Kevinvsr

I have a 2000 sport with soft top. I live in the Chicago area. We get a lot of gunk and salt in the winter when I just can not hand wash it. I take it to the touchless car wash. I make sure the zippers are closed tight and go trough the "van" bay to keep a little pressure off the top. It is noisy as hell in there. I always do this when the temp is above freezing, even if only a degree or two. If I have done any damage, I have not noticed it. I figure it's better than leaving the salt on it.

sasquatch_2000 · January 2001

Here are my potential uses/requirements/wants: Commute around 7 miles to work, back roads, live in Central Mass. (snowy from 1/2 Nov. through 1/2 April), like skiing (drive in blizzards), want to pack a canoe and/or kayaks, the dog, skis, bicycles, camping gear, fishing gear, etc. I want something which will be rugged (heavy duty towing package? winter package? off road package), I also am interested in mounting systems for bikes, skiis, guns, canoes, kayaks. Are back seats removable (for dog space)? Should I go with factory soft top and aftermarket hard top or vice versa? Full hard, half hard, or cloth doors (or aftermarket combo again? Engine 4.0 liter, I guess. What performance mods do people put on these? Dynomax exhaust? Chips? Headers? Cams? Intakes? How about lights? Light guards? I am looking for a decent package, maybe '98 or '99, and would like some advice. Thanks in advance.

batlin · January 2001

gcl98
I have a 2001 TJ with 5 speed, and I have the transmission noise, From what I have heard it is a flaw in the new transmission that was first put in to the 2000 TJ, I believe that the noise is reduced in the 01 though. One way to tell if you get the noise or not it to put the transmission in neutral and let out the clutch, you should hear a slight rattling. if you dont then with the cluch out, and still in neutral turn off the engine. You should hear a rattling noise for a brief moment.

Batlin

dragonfly03 · January 2001

Thanks for the complement! The page should be updated Sat. night after I get back from a Jeep meet and eat for NC Jeepers. The pictures should include Sparx's new lights and Spyro's new brushguard(cross your fingers).

Alee and Sparx
http://sparx.muddyyellowjeep.com

eagle63 · January 2001

I don't own a wrangler, but I'll try to throw in my 2 cents. From all the different activities you mentioned, I'm wondering if maybe a bigger SUV would be better for you than a wrangler. Believe me, I'm not trying to talk you out of getting one, but wranglers aren't the best vehicles out there if your concerns are towing, lugging around canoes and kayaks, etc.
I know there PLENTY of aftermarket roof racks you could get that I'm sure would accomodate a kayak, or skis, or bikes, etc. But I wouldn't plan on using a wrangler to tow much more than a jetski or two. Not because it doesn't have the power, but because of its short wheelbase.
One other thing I'll mention: I too have shopped for used wranglers and have found that they hold their resale value very well. you almost might be better off getting a new one unless you find an amazing deal.

pizzadude · January 2001

Sounds like you want to do everything I do minus the dog (cuz i don't have one) and kayaking. I I have a 2000 wrangler and it does just fine for hauling my gear. The back seat comes out or tumbles forward. Tumbled forward there was plenty of room for both my wife's and my backpacking gear for a full week in the bush.

I just got a canoe for christmas from the in-laws and I am buying the Garvin Expedition Rack. It is mentioned in this group a couple times. You can get it onsale through Performance Products for around $440. Cheapest I've ever seen it. This rack is supposed to accept Thule bike racks. I haven't figured out how to haul my mountain bike yet, but will probably get an over the spare rack for two bikes...just cuz it's easier than climbing up to the roof rack. For guns, well, I hunt a lot, but haven't found a way to rig a gun rack inside yet...I'm sure there is a way to do it.

As for the hard/soft top...I have the soft top and soft doors...I wanted a convertible. My father-in law has a hardtop. I think my jeep holds the heat just the same in the winter and i know mine cools off well in the summer. The noise level on a windy day doing 75 on the highway can be annoying on a 7 hour drive to the adirondacks, but the hard top is still noisy, just no wind flapping.

Performance mods...K&N now makes a filtercharger kit for wranglers. I will be buying one, I've had one on my previous two trucks and i thought they made good improvements. I have always used Gibson exausts. Dynomax and walker just don't impress me. When price comparing, they seemed to be almost $100 cheaper than most. I am under the impression that this day and age, you get what you pay for. I could be wrong though. Gibson has good quality thick steel tubing and muffler. Will get knocked around a bit. I'm not sure how loud it will be on my wrangler though. I don't want it too loud. My '94 ranger had a great sound, the 5.4L F150 I couldn't hardly hear the difference between stock and gibson, so now I am wondering how loud a wrangler will be. The stock 4.0L has a nice little rumble to it, which says to me it might be loud with a gibson. I've never messed with performace chips...never trusted them.

Well, there's my .02 Probably a lot more than that, but hope the info helps you. BTW, as for towing, my father in law tows a 17' fishing boat (aluminum with 40hp engine) and the his 4cyl. does al right with it. Granted, he only drives maximum 10 miles with it because he lives in the finger lakes region on new york and has all the fishing a man can dream of having so close to him...but the jeep handles allright with it. I would be careful with heavy loads though...short wheelbase...

Good luck...hope the info helps out.

-pizzadude

jeepcj · January 2001

I am new here, maybe someone can help. I have had a 1979, CJ7 for about 6 years. It came with a plow, so I used it to do a couple driveways, once in a while, nothing commercial, just fun. The looks I get plowing with the top down is worth it every time. Anyway, I just sold it and plan on getting a 2001 with the Sahara or Sport pkg. Any suggestions on options so I can use it to plow?. I already have a few "wants" like AM/FM/CD/with Subwoofer-30" tires-Dana 44 - tracloc-tow hitch. I can't decide on dual tops or door types yet. From the first nice spring day until the first frost the top is down anyway, so I can't decide. It will be an everyday car, so the hardtop could come in handy as long as I can find summer time storage.

henoblah · January 2001

I am gearing up to buy a 2001 TJ Sahara. I have owned 2 Wranglers in the past. My plans are for a looker... small lift & 33'' tires. But primarily a daily driver.

Questions:
1. I obviously should get 3.73 axle ratio?
2. Explain the Dana 44. It's a beefier axle right? Any drawbacks?
3. Trac-Lok? What are the pros and cons?
4. I want to have both tops complete. Full doors, half/soft doors, hard and soft top. What is the best way to do this? I was going to get a sahara w/ soft top then add VK0 ( hardtop). But Edmunds says this requires option GAD. GCD isn't listed????

ahmed2r · January 2001

I know this may seem like a newbie question but what exactly do you get by upgrading to the Sahara and is it worth getting it?

I'm looking for a Wrangler with:
1. A/C
2. Full doors (wish I could have both full and half)
3. Add a trunk
4. Subwoofer
5. 30 inch Canyon with Dana (I'm not sure about the Dana as I wont offroad a lot)
6. Sentry Key
7. Fog Lights

texasjeep · January 2001

1. Yes 3.73 gearing is good for 33's
2. Yes get the D44. The only drawback is the minimal cost for a great axle
3. The trac-lok is limited slip which is good for off-roading and ice/snow. Get it, it is worth it
4. Get the dual top package with full doors and later on get the aftermarket full soft doors.

Did that anwswer everything?

texasjeep · January 2001

Upgrading to the Sahara gets you the name for a few hundred more dollars. You can get the Sport and whatever upgrades you want. I think all 30 inch wheel packages come with the Dana 44 axle. The trak-lok is a seperate option, but it is worth getting. You can get full soft doors for $300 dollars

texasjeep · January 2001

Not many factory options to help you for setting up for plowing. I would get the Dana 44 and trac-lok. Soft top is nice if you want to be able to put your top up and down when you are out of town or across town. If you take it off for the summer and put a top on for the winter you may want the hard top only. Half doors are good for the same reason as the soft top. Being able to throw the top half in the back when your are out of town or across town and weather gets good or to put the doors on when the weather is bad(starts raining, gets cold). Full metal doors are good for less wind noise and easier to get window down for ATM and fast food.

texasjeep · January 2001

As already stated the Jeep does not have much cargo space. You will have to look at getting a trailor or several different racks and mounts that will add up. The back seats are removable. If you want both tops I would order the dual top option. I would consider buying a new Jeep since they hold their so well. There are plenty of lights and lights guards to choose from. You can order the full metal doors and then get aftermarket full soft doors for $300.

tsjay · January 2001

Hi everybody! I would like to hear from some of you about breaking in a new Jeep and the oil change interval.

My plans are to have the oil changed for the first time at 2000 miles and then again at 5000 miles, at which time I will switch to Mobil 1 full synthetic oil. I like to break in a new engine on regular oil and then go to Mobil 1.

I will change oil on 5000 miles intervals with the Mobil 1. This is what I have done with my last two new vehicles, a '99 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4 X 4, and a 2000 Grand Prix GT. The trouble is that I haven't kept a vehicle long enough to know whether this maintenance schedule is good for the engine for the long haul.

I drive almost exclusively on the highway, and do almost zero in-town driving. My commute to work is 27 miles one way, almost all of it four lane divided highway. Now, if I ever start playing around off road, I will probably change oil more often.

What do you ladies and gentlemen think of this strategy? Anyone else in here a fan of synthetic oil in general and Mobil 1 in particular? I KNOW for a fact that the Mobil 1 increased my gas mileage and gave me quieter cold starts on a 1994 Z28 Camaro that I once owned.

Would like some opinions. I know there is a whole discussion group for breaking in a vehicle and others for oil types, but I want to hear from JEEP PEOPLE.

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

rodgers7 · January 2001

I've owned a 91 and 95 Wrangler and now my wife wants one for herself. She'd like one with leather seats and a few other "princess" features but I've explained that even the Sahara does not have a leather option (I think). Anyway, she happened to park next to a Jeep Wrangler OUTBACK at the mall a couple of days ago and swears it had leather seats. She claims it was a 1997 or newer model (round lights). I know Jeep has produced a wide variety of speciality models but I can't find a darned thing on the Internet about an "Outback" model. Maybe this was from an aftermarket customizer.... any info or ideas about the Outback? Also, any suggestions on how or who could upgrade the interior of a Sahara in the greater Atlanta area? After all, any woman who wants to own a Wrangler is worth it! Thanks for the help.

tsjay · January 2001

Yesterday was the 8th of January, and I picked up my Thelma Jane on the 8th of December. It has been one fun month of driving!

I have owned small cars, large cars, sports cars, compact pickup trucks, full size pickup trucks, and SUV's (Explorer, Grand Cherokee Laredo, two Jimmy's), but nothing I've ever owned has been this much fun to drive. I haven't even had the fun of getting off the beaten path with my Jeep yet, I haven't had the pleasure of driving with the top off, and I haven't been in a situation where four wheel drive was really even necessary yet, but just my normal driving is a blast with this Jeep!

Why are these things so much fun? Because they are so small? Because the visibility is so good? Because you sit nice and high? Because of the nice stiff suspension? Because they are free of all the fancy doo-dads that distract you from the driving experience? Because they are not so highly insulated against wind and road noise that you don't even feel like you are in a moving vehicle as you drive down the road? Because you are driving a type of vehicle that is not owned by everybody and their brother? All of the above?

What is there about a Jeep that actually makes you talk to them (Come on, admit it you guys: you do it too!)and, as I ask at the end a lot of my posts if you have done today, want to hug them?

Anyone who knows my history of trading vehicles so often will laugh at me for saying this, but I can see keeping my Thelma Jane for a long, long time!

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

spyrodragon · January 2001

Rodgers7:
I believe I saw the outback model for sale on Ebay once... It's an aftermarket upgrade. It was a sport that they just fixed up to look good. You'll just have to ask around as to who does the leather seats for cars around your area. And why would you want to upgrade the interior of the Sahara? That's the only difference besides the body color fenders than the sport, and the sport cost less. You can get body color flares for a few hundred bucks.

Ahmed2r:
Everything you listed can be ordered in the Sport package. In fact I've got all the stuff you've listed there except the subwoofer and the add-a-trunk. The only differences in the Sport and Sahara are the camel interior on the Sahara, body color flares, and side panels... Oh and the Sahara sticker on the side (but I've got one of those on my sport, and no one knows the difference.) Other than that, all of the other options are available on the Sport.

TSJay:
About the sythetic thing. I just switched over about a month ago... The only difference I've noticed is that she idles a bit better in the cold and I don't have to change oil but ever 4-5,000 miles instead of 3,000. Didn't really see much of an increase in gas milage.

sasquatch_2000 · January 2001

If you don't plan on keeping your car for the long haul, then why the heck bother? You can buy the cheapest oil you can find $0.89-$0.99 per quart and change every 2000 miles and get same results. I have a friend who had a Mustang SVO and did that, and no problems with turbo until after 200,000 miles!

texasjeep · January 2001

rodgers7
I am not familiar with a Jeep Wrangler Outback. I have dealership by me that will put lifts, tires, bumpers and probably anything you want on a Jeep. They also do leather seats that say Jeep on it. It is all done by aftermarket companies. Just buy a Jeep and look at a few different shops
that do leather seats and get it done by them. You won't have to pay the markup from the dealership if you do it that way.

jurp11
What did you decide on a Jeep?

tsjay
How much is DC paying you?

spyrodragon · January 2001

Woke up this morning and there they were sitting in my garage. Now I just gotta find someone to help me put on that 60lbs skid plate! I can do the rock rails by myself. Now only if my Brushguard would come in!!! Next is the 3" tera-flex lift and 31 or 33" thornbirds (still havn't quite decided). And maybe an Ox locker if I've got the money. Ok, I'm just happy

Have a good day everyone!

tsjay · January 2001

Hi Texasjeep!

DC ain't payin' me nothin'. I just LOVE MY JEEP!.

You feel the same about yours, don't you?

Have a good 'un.

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

tsjay · January 2001

I used to go 3000 miles between oil changes on regular oil, so by going 5000 between changes on Mobil 1, I recover a good part of the extra cost of the oil.

I always take care of a vehicle as if I planned to keep it for 300,000 miles, but my history is to keep one only for 20,000 to 30,000 miles. That's got to stop! Too many trades in too short of a time has gotten me in the hole big time.

I think maybe I have found what I've been looking for, though. I don't think that I'll have any trouble hanging on to Thelma Jane for a few years.

tsjay

texasjeep · January 2001

spyrodragon
What brand of rock rails did you get?
I have only heard bad things about thornbirds. I would go with SSR, TSL or some kind of mud tire.
The SSR and TSL are here www.intercotire.com

tsjay
I know they aren't payin you nothing. Just messin with you. Of course I feel the same way.
Jeep On

spyrodragon · January 2001

I got the reversa-bar from Olympic. I bought it through www.quadratec.com. They are the kind that you can install with the bar up or down. Up for more ground clearance, and down for more of a step. I just really like the way they look, plus they don't hold mud like the factory step does:( Thanks for the input on the thornbirds... I'm still a few months away from the lift so I'm still trying to save and decide. What do you think about the Teraflex? I know it's expensive, but I think it's worth it...I havn't found anything else that quite matches up to it. Do you know it 33's with stuff under the flares with that lift at full flex with sway bar disconnected? I'm really leaning towards 31's or 32's just to be safe... Thanks for your help dude.

wheelsdown · January 2001

tsjay

As far as trying to figure out why we love our jeeps with all the perceived shortcommings, I gues the "It's a Jeep Thing" phrase says it all.

tsjay · January 2001

I guess you're right. I would be hard pressed to explain to someone why I am so happy driving a vehicle that gets poor gas mileage, rides rough, has no room, and has virtually no creature comforts. BUT I AM!

tsjay

tsjay · January 2001

I noticed a beautiful Silverstone Jeep several weeks ago as I was driving to work. I see this Jeep at about the same location every morning, and it is heading in the opposite direction.

After I placed the order for Thelma Jane, I started flashing my Grand Prix's lights at the Silverstone, hoping that after I got Thelma and continued flashing my lights, the other guy would put two and two together and realize that I am the same person.

It would be really cool to finally meet this person, but I don't know if that will ever happen.

It's fun to have this mysterious Jeep buddy, and I know that if I ever had trouble and was pulled over in the emergency lane, this guy would stop and give me a hand, and I would do the same for him. This wouldn't be easy, since we are on opposite sides of the median on a parkway, but I still know that we would try to help each other.

The odds are a million to one against it, but if my Silverstone buddy is reading this, please email me!

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

ahmed2r · January 2001

Hi guys thanks for all your help. My final question to you is, is it worth it to get the CD player and 5 speakers/subwoofer options or should I just get an after market Sony + Infinity speakers at Crutchfield. Why does the subwoofer cost $200? So they upgrade the speakers with that option?
I am going to order my new Jeep Wrangler Sport (Flame Red with Dark Tan Soft Top) hopefully tomorrow with the following options:

Description Invoice MSRP

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Wrangler Sport Quick Order Package D
$527 $620

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Convenience Group
Included Included

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Convenience Group I
Included Included

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Sentry Key (TM) Theft Deterrent System
$64 $75

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TRAC-Lok(R) Rear Differential
$242 $285

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Full Steel Doors With Roll-Up Windows
$106 $125

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Engine Block Heater
$30 $35

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AM/FM Stereo With CD Player
$106 $125

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CFC-Free Manual Air Conditioning
$761 $895

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Front Color-Keyed Carpeted Floor Mats
$26 $30

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Nomad Cloth Seat Trim
Included Included

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3400# Dana M44/226-mm Rear Axle
Included Included

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Axle Ratio 3.73
Included Included

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Full-Size Spare Tire
Included Included

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30-In. Tire and Alloy Wheel Group/Manual Trans.
$723 $850

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Total of Selected Options
$2585 $3040

tsjay · January 2001

If you are really expecting a super high quality sound system, you'll have to go after market, so no use in paying extra for the subwoofer option.

If you just want a pretty decent sound system, then I would definitely go with the subwoofer. You can't believe how BAD a Jeep radio sounds without the sub! The subwoofer and whatever else might come with that option truly makes a big, big difference. You have a sound system that actually sounds pretty good for factory stuff.

You'll have to make the call, since only you know what kind of sound quality you want. All I can tell you is that the subwoofer option improves the factory sound system immensely and is well worth the money, assuming you are not going to upgrade with after market stuff anyway.

tsjay

Have you hugged your Jeep today?

spyrodragon · January 2001

Hey guys anyone know how to release the fuel pressure in the fuel line. I need to disconnect it to install my Kilby skid plate.

texasjeep · January 2001

spyrodragon
Try this link for some info on kilby skid
http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/002192.html
I would go with atleast 32's. How much does the tera 3" cost?

tsjay
You are probably freaking out that Jeep guy by flashing him. He is probably slowing down and looking all over for cops

shuggins1 · January 2001

I had thornbirds on my last wrangler. They were awesome tires!!!! I have a 2001 sahara w/ the 30 inch pkg. When I need new tires I will go w/ the thornbirds again. Not even a question. Just though I would pass that along. I had no problems with mine.

spyrodragon · January 2001

The teraflex is $995 through http://www.jeepersandcreepers.com
Both the 3" and 4" are the same price. Should I go for the 4" so I know I can fit 33's or should I just stick with the 3" and have a bit more stability on off-camber angles? which do you suggest? Any other suspensions you suggest for 1,000 or less? I think I'm also going to stick a pair of Dana 44's front and rear and geared to 4.10 is that a good idea and if so do you know anywhere online that I could get the axels and gears from? Thanks for the help.

spyrodragon · January 2001

Hey... what size Thornbirds did ya have? I want to run 31's-33's havn't decided yet. Havn't really decided on the tire. I've heared some bad things about the Thonbirds but hey, seems like ALL the tire companies are having trouble these days. How were they on the street, mud, snow, trail, etc.? Like to hear your opinion of them. Thanks

spyrodragon · January 2001

Anyone here got any shots of their jeeps being muddy... Just got done taking Spyro out for a little adventure. She did quite nicely although my tires are AWFUL! Just aired them down to about 15psi and she got through. Should have pics up sometime this weekend. http://www.sparx.muddyyellowjeep.com/
I'd like to see some other pics of some muddy jeeps!

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