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Maybe I should cancel the snow tire order??? Just kiddding, I've thrown in the towel.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Actually looking forward to next snow to, of course, test the snows...
Ride home: tires seem smooth/quiet enough. Car feels a little more like it's "perched" as the snows are taller and narrower. Also, have to brake a little earlier...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
From what I have read, the tires won't last me 3 years. I would do around 12k to 15k a yr. Tire repairs are covered up to $ 25 per occurrence and tires that are unrepairable will be replaced with no proration within 36 months from date of purchase. I assume that this does not cover the rims. The $25 max for repair seems low ! if unrepairable that seems right, but $ 25 does not get much these day, especially in a dealer service dept. I know the tires are around $ 200 each.
to replace. What do you guys think ?
Not sure which tires are on your TL or where you're located, but my Bridgestone Turanzas lasted ~33,000 miles in New England driving. Two were basically done at 33k, might have gotten a few more miles out of the other two. But I replaced 'em mid-summer during a local sale. New Toyos came with a lifetime warranty for free! (Yeah, I know I paid for it...!).
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I brought mine for them to fix flats couple of times and they never charged me though I only purchased a 5 yrs tire-balance/rotations from them for $60 (manager says its just good will so that customer will come back for new set of tires later). If yours is michelin pilot, then it is 255-265 a piece.
Is this something that I need to get checked out? Does this require a visit to the Acura dealership? Will they charge me if I get just the tires inflated again?
Thanks for your input!
Good luck. Stick to your guns !! Go with $ 2000 under invoice !
For other users of the Michelin A/S....what feedback can you offer regarding the tires. Performance, treadlife, mpg, etc.
My initial impression of the tires is that it is a fine ride. It isn't noisy. Rides smooth and firm. Responsive. Didn't feel any deadspots in the morning. Definitely has more traction.
However...my commute to work is rather consistent as I drive on the highway with no traffic as I get to the office before 7am. And for all my commutes to work...my commute MPG has been 29 to 30 to 31mpg (that is another sign that my commute trip is consistent as it is primarily highway with only a few stops with little duration at the lights). Deviation is not where I get to 26mpg.
I'll report back after a weeks time on the mpg. Who knows...maybe it is a fluke and when the tires haven't been broken in.
btw...day one calc of 26mpg was where I already refreshed my trip meter. Also for day two where I also got 26mpg.
And yes....I plan to recalculate my MPG with a fresh topped off tank.
If there is a 3mpg difference....if my annual mileage is $15k...I would consume 60 gal more a year....translating into $209 more for fuel. That stinks.
My previous stock EL42 Brigestones were where the treads were much less...even when they were new they weren't that deep. And the Michelins are pretty darn deep with the 400 treadware index. Perhaps it is the aerodynamics of the tires.
And yes...I have the tire pressure the same as before.
I wonder...perhaps beyond the aerodynamics...could it be that the tires grip the road more so therefore more traction = less mileage. Or is it the rolling resistance.
Either way...they are nice responsive tires. Just again...stinks to lose 3mpg = $200+ a year.
Most days are in the 40's now.
I'm thinking, maybe one more week with the winter rubber, and then it's back to the summer sneakers. Any longer and we're gonna just burn unnecessary miles off of our winter setups.
And BTW... it's getting to be full-on Zaino weather now!!!
7 months of midnight waxings in the moonlight... Whoo Hooooo! :P
I've got a Canadian '04 TL with Dynamic package (6-speed, etc). Last summer, I noticed the car started pulling in a specific direction. Not badly, but enough to notice.
By coincidence, it was due to a tire rotation, so I took it in. When I got it back, the pull was gone, but the road noise was horendous! I took it back to the dealer and they said the Turanza tires were 'cupped'. So, they put the tires back where they were.
I have only 36K km on the car. I live in Alberta, which means that I'm running winters 5-6 months of the year anyway - meaning there's less than 18K kms on my summers.
Of course, the dealer gave me an 'option' to spend $1000+ to replace, but I'm rather miffed that the tires only lasted this long. I didn't think Turanza's were _that_ soft (or _that_ wide).
I've seen the discussions about the crappy Turanza's, and I'm wondering what other people have done. Of course, I can buy new rubber, but if there's a precident for some replacement help, I'd like to know about it.
Thanks for any advice.
Corey.
I've got an '04 TL MT in Alberta, so our weather situation is similar. I highly suggest two sets of wheels (rims and rubber). Hunt around on the internet and you'll see that all-seasons simply are not as effective in all weather conditions. And they definately will not perform as well as summers. And the car will look less striking if you put more mainstream rims/rubber, for sure. Sure I have to jack it up and change the wheels twice a year, but that's better than one set of rims and two sets of rubber.
TL aside, man, I really suggest you consider winter tires. It's an investment. In 6" of loose snow and ice, winters MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Cars of this class are expensive, why not have that extra confidence (and safely)?
The TL is a _performance_ sedan. It's made for speed and cornering, which by definition doesn't make it the most practical car. Why 'tame' it down with average wheels? If you are looking more for practicality, maybe you are looking at the wrong car.
Hope this helps.
Corey.
So, can anyone comment on premature cupping on Potenza's? I'm really ticked thta I can't rotate my tires without the excessive road noice - and after only 18000 kms.
Thanks!
Corey.
I was looking into an Accord, but since they are not offering much back on them right now, for a little bit more I can get a base TL. Besides, the TL looks a lot better. I have been through the whole sports car in the snow sinerio before and I definitely don't want to go through that again, nor do I want to be replacing tires every 15,000 miles either. I might just have to see what else is out there. Thanks again for the input.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I remember once I got caught once with my summers on. It was late fall, the car was in the garage, and we got ice on the driveway. Darn car slid right down to the street when I backed it out. All-seasons wouldv'e worked better, but putting the winters on worked wonderfully.
I was lucky. I managed to get an extra set of Acura TL rims and winter rubber when I bought the car. Having nice wheels all year round is nice since I wasn't partial to driving a nice car with scabby 'winter' rims for 6 months/year - like you see on the road sometimes.
Corey.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Not a bad deal at all.
Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately, they found that one of my rims was bent....$322.
Overall, I love my car. The most disappointing thing to me has been the tires/wheels. I did a lot of research when I bought this car in 2005, but I don't remember anything about the low profile tire (susceptible to bent rims), more expensive tires, and shorter mileage expectations for the tires.
I also put Versados on my '05 last summer. Don't know if you're anywhere with snow, but beware! I swapped the Toyos for Dunlop Wintersports in December as the early/plentiful New England snow was rather challenging driving w/the Versados!!! Worse for me than the OEM Turanzas which just depressed the heck out of me...
The Toyos will go back on my TL in 3 or 4 weeks. Look forward to the quieter ride, although the Dunlops aren't too bad.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Thank you.
How many miles on those Toyos? Are they as quiet as OEM Turanza EL42? How about handling, turn-in, responsiveness, comfort compared to EL42?
Lauras, Thank you in advance for any info.
Have an 04 TL with winter Dunlops mounted now. Have to take off soon. Am way, way overdue to get summer replacements for the EL42's. Close to wear bars.
Of course don't know how good or bad these EL42's are with respect to handling, never had anything other than Dunlop snows on the car. Of course, the EL42's are terrible with flat spotting, but after a couple of miles they smooth out. Do like that EL42's are quiet and I guess comfortable.
Checked Tirerack website yesterday and read many reviews for Michelin Pilot PS2, A/S, and other models as well as Turanza Serenity (these superceded LS-H, V). Also, talked to one of their reps. My take is that perf Michelins will be noisier than OEM EL42's. Serenity does not have crisp handling according to reviews and Tirerack rep. Read one review of a person saying they are getting 1 MPG less when he put on Michelin A/S.
Anybody out there with experiences willing to share, such as have been posted already, who pulled off EL42's and is happy with replacements? Has anybody replaced worn-out EL42's with "New" EL42's rather than venture to another brand/model?
Thank you.
Only a few k (~5k) miles on the Toyos. IIRC I bought em in July and the snows went on in mid-December.
Note that I'm no tire expert, but I do find the Toyos to be smoother and quieter than the EL42s. A more comfortable ride. Also haven't noticed the flat spotting that I assume I was experiencing with the ELs. I do think that the ELs were a bit crisper at turn in, it seems to me a bit more understeer with the Toyos. But, I was looking for a bit smoother/quieter ride so I'm good with 'em.
I think I was prejudiced against the ELs due to the poor snow performance. But, the Toyos are worse, hence my first snow tires on a fwd car ever. 235/45 sizing and probably more of a summer bias to the materials in the all-seasons means for real snow, the TL should have snow shoes. And, of course, once the Dunlops were mounted, no real snow to drive in!
I bought the Toyos at a buy 3 get one free event, but I'm guessing there are better deals out there as I think I paid list for the three tires.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Lauras - Thank your for update. Perhaps I will not look into Toyos.
We had Toyo Proxes OEM on a 97 Maxima SE that were very good in retrospect. They were crisp handling, quiet and comfortable. The Proxes on the SE were a better handler than the the Proxes models put on the GLE and other Max cars.
I recall owners of Maximas dissing the Proxes on web sites. When time for replacement, I tried Bridgestone Potenza RE950 and Turanza LS-H for a few days each and did not like compared to Proxes. Bridgestone dealer took them off and put Proxes back on. Went to another dealer and tried Pirelli P6000 and they were terrible. This dealer then suggested Eagle RSA which I bought and kept. The RSAs were not as crisp in handling as Proxes and started making noise maybe at 10K miles.
So, very cautious about buying next set of tires for 04 TL. A number of 04-06 TL owners on Tirerack web site have said that handling of their TL improved when taking EL42's off and putting on such as Michelin Pilot PS2, Michelin A/S and other "performance" type tires. BUT, noise increased and ride was diminished. Is that extra dimension of performance worth the sacrifice of ride and noise. Maybe not for me.
Bridgestone Turanza LS-H and LS-V, discontinued and replaced by Serenity, might have been good choice a couple of years ago. Present owners of Serenity who previously owned LS-H or LS-V said that these older models provided crisper handling than the new Serenity. Perhaps Serenity is worse in handling than OEM EL42.
Except for flat spotting, perhaps brand new EL42's might be the best choice for fair amount of handling but quiet and comfortable ride. If this happens, will be first time in my life that I replaced OEMs with OEMs on a car.
Maybe the other Versado owner here could review them for us?
I don't think I hated the EL42s (except in the snow), but I don't miss 'em either. Good luck, let us know what you end up buying.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I have a 2006 Base TL and need to replace the Bridgestone's. I'm looking at either the General Exclaim UHP or the Falken 912's. Does anyone have experience with these? I'm interested in getting a tire with very little road noise, good handling and tread life. Can I run both of these tires all year round - i live in Dallas, no snow but we do get weather below 25.