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BMW 5-Series: Next E60
a face and fanny "lift" next Spring (to be introduced as an 08 model). Anyone else got any info on this?
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FWIW, I believe I have the picture at home so of you drop me a private E-Mail, I'll send it to you (assuming that I can find it). ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
I like it better than the current version, but I think the rear end looks a bit like a Taurus.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Regards...JL
Crazy M5
I also agree about the new 7...I recently came up on one from behind, and while my first impression (from far away) was that it was a bimmer, I didn't really believe it until I got close to it, because my reaction was "oooh what's THAT? I like it!" and I haven't ever liked the 7.
They jus' can't break outta that mold.
OK OK, I got it, Pontiac is the father and Hyundai is the mother.
Yechhhh!
Eye of the beholder.
Just as I was gettin' used to the current 5. . . . :surprise:
I guess BMW is following the others (Lexus, MBZ, Infiniti) and have the line up of cars all look the same from the smallest to the largest vehicle. Just pick your size. How generic!
JMHO
I think the exterior styling of the 3-coupe, X5 and 7 are improvements. Maybe the 5 will follow suit.
Oh designman, before I continue, let me get the Fruit-O-Loom wedgy out of my cr@ck. LMAO
As for the:
3 coupe - bland
Redesigned x5 - 3 series on stilts, just look at the front end and tail lights
7 - you got me there, it is pretty nice except for the bland front end, the rear is a nice change.
Actually, BMW has done that for years.
JMHO
I think this may happen versus a minor update in '08. Looks like it will get streamlined on the outside and the inside will connect the dash to the rest of the console which are both good things. The E60 has been viewed right from the start as a controversial design as everyone knows and BMW can't wait to bring the 5-series car back into celebrity status like the E39 was to boost sales. I am putting my order on a 535xi
Customers vote with money and if sales are up even with weak dollar, mayb BMW is right ignoring c&D and others.
The E60 facelift is due to hit show rooms in the Spring of 2007 as a MY 2008.
The F10, will be sold as MY 2009 in the Spring of 2008.
"BMW sales are up. So they are listening to customers, not to magazine reviewers. Although I am not fan of iDrive, I sometimes feel that magazine reviewers are simply computer-retarded old farts that keep dreaming of the "golden days of their youth.
Customers vote with money and if sales are up even with weak dollar, mayb BMW is right ignoring c&D and others.
Most Car critics are not tech savvy, and at best comfortable with Cars that are elemental in nature. The IDrive is perceived to be complex, however I find it simple to use, and my wife also finds it very easy to use as well.
The design of the 5 series albeit controversial, is modern and stands out from the rest of the traffic. I think the 5 series and the 7 series has revitalised car designs that were otherwise boring.
Best Regards,
Shipo
I agree with uglybear and achonko. Please, if someone can't tell the difference between a 5 series and a Pontiac/Hundai or whatever, they should buy the Pontiac/Hundai. They'd be wasting their money on one of the finest driving cars ever made. Rattle around in the Pontiac/Hundai and enjoy it. Really.
I've tested the relevant MB, Audi, Lexus and Infiniti's. They have their individual advantages but none drive as well as the BMW. Steering and braking are simply not anywhere near as good in the comparable price ranges. Drift around a curve in your BMW and see when the wheels start to break loose. Do the same in your non-BMW and have fun among the trees and brush.
For the record, I'm in my mid 50's. Idrive is easy, and has improved over the years. They needed certain idrive design improvements and are making many of them in the upcoming redesign -- more programmable and one-function buttons, for example.
The bluetooth connection to my blackberry 8700 is smooth and effective; the included voice recognition works fine. My wife needs an auto tranny so I have the Step -- but in manual mode it does quite well and revs nicely to 6500 with good torque and HP.
Having owned E39's, I've never been in love with Bangle's designs (hence my screen name), but note that virtually every other car company is following it and sales are up. BMW led with a mold-breaking design and I'm giving them credit for that. I'll also give them credit for re-evolving certain items, like Idrive and replacing the window controls where they belong. The cupholders are crap and the weird storage compartments never made much sense, but that's pretty much been the case with BMW's forever. The E39, though possibly the best reasonably-priced sedan ever made, was getting tired.
That said, nothing else out there drives like a 5. So, not to be too harsh, if they don't like it, they should buy something else. My vote is that the redesign as described on the bmwusa website is making some good choices.
Oh, BTW, did I mention the handling?
Now that would be nice.
The F10 will be released in 2009 as a MY 2010 product.
My apologies for the misinformation.
Thanks
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One item that caught my attention in quickly scanning through the brochure is the weight and weight distribution. Compared to the specs on the BMW web site for 2007 model, I found:
535Xi Weight 3946
530Xi Weight 3671
535Xi Weight distribution 53.4 / 46.6
530Xi Weight distribution 52 / 48
Assuming the information in the brochure I downloaded is correct, I was very surprised to see the weight gain and less desireable distribution of the upcoming model compared to the present one.
Bruce
Have you seen the brochure on the 2008 5 series for which a link was posted elsewhere in CarSpace?
According to that, and the BMW web site, the 535i / 535Xi gained some weight compared to the 530i / 530Xi, and the weight distribution of the 535Xi is not as balanced as the 530Xi. I was wondering if you know whether the information in the brochure is correct?
The weight penalty of the 530Xi over the 530i is 177 pounds, while the penalty for a 535Xi versus a 535i is 286 pounds. I don't understand why the delta for the 2008 AWD is 109 pounds more than it was for the 2007 AWD. Do you know if they changed the AWD design / layout?
The weight gain in switching to the twin turbo engine is implied to be 166 pounds (535i vs 530i).
Ironically, the 535Xi is only 22 pounds lighter than the 550i, and the weight distribution is not as balanced (I realize this is comparing AWD to RWD, but it still surprised me).
Thanks
Bruce
Unfortunately all of these advancements come with a weight penalty.
If you note the weight gain from the 330i to the 335i was 200lbs, whilst the weight gain from the 530i to 535i like you pointed out is 166lbs. There is definitely significant attempt to reduce the weight but the new xDrive system offset the weight saved.
One of the problem is that the E60 chassis was never designed with the xDrive in mind whereas the F10 and F01/02 chassis will address these shortcomings.
An interesting article on one of the features of the new xDrive system.
Selective Control Intervention
The xDrive four-wheel drive system, DSC electronic control system and engine control through integrated chassis management(FlexRay technology) are combined for fast distribution of the drive torque in the longitudinal direction.
Meanwhile, further development of Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) has seen the introduction of Selective Control Intervention. During tight cornering it actively counteracts the tendency to understeer. This control intervention, which is also active when DSC is switched off, will initially be introduced from March 2007 in the four-wheel drive models of the new BMW 5-Series. Other models and model series from the BMW brand will follow.
If a vehicle tends to understeer when cornering, the current DSC system increases the braking pressure on the nearside rear wheel in order to generate a stabilising yaw moment. That action remains identical on the new system, but now engine torque can now increased independently of the position of the accelerator. This can generate an additional stabilising torque of up to 500Nm.
The torque compensation when the engine is running at partial load contributes to increasing the precision of the steering manoeuvres, tracking stability and traction when cornering. This is because the system enables the car to respond faster to the course determined by the driver, and steering corrections are less frequently required. The vehicle follows the path of the curve at constant speed despite the stabilising braking intervention.
http://aronkober.com/Documents/08%205%20Brochure.pdf