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Has anyone had similar reports of "internal failure" and is this a reasonable price to pay???
J
all firmware upgrades on the car are up to date, I had it to 3 dealers.
what do you call a "transmission control module"?? are you sure such part exist?
and what is VIDA? is it same as ODB II?
ODB II doesn't show any error codes.
I did computer diagnostics once, a couple of years ago (before the problem with the tranny started). for about a hundred bucks I got like 12 pages of printouts. they were useless, there were warnings like "door sensor is not sending signal" etc. may be that was the VIDA thing. but I doubt it would report solenoid problems if
they exist.
"You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop."
no, my tranny doesn't have any problems downshifting, or when coming to stop.
the jerk is only when it goes upshift from 2nd to 3rd.
you are not alone.
I think you have exactly same problem as I do.
my 2001 XC70 started jerking at around 80k. upshifting from 2nd to 3rd gear, which is usually at around 40mph as you stated.
I had this problem for more than 2 years now, and it's not going away nor getting worse. so just prepare to live with it.
if you find the solution to the problem, be sure to let me know
Arlene
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_ATF_3309.aspx
Meets key OEM requirements:
For many Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, Saturn, VW and other imported and domestic vehicles where Aisin transmissions are used.
Meets key Type T-IV for Toyota/Lexus vehicles
Mobil ATF 3309 is recommended for use in transmissions made by Aisin AW requiring a fluid approved against Type T-IV, JWS 3309, GM 9986195 and Audi G-052-025-A2. These Aisin AW transmissions are used in CERTAIN domestic and foreign vehicles, including Toyota, Lexus, Audi, Saturn, Ford, Volvo, Volkswagen, Saab, Porsche, and Mitsubishi.
The unique formulation of Mobil ATF 3309 is designed to provide excellent lubrication of transmissions in specified Aisin AW slip-controlled lock-up automatic transmissions. These outstanding performance capabilities translate into significant operational benefits. . .
Mobile ATF 3309 might actually work better in the Aisin trannys used in the Volvos than the Mobile 1 ATF. Although 3309 might have to be replaced more often than the Volvo fluid.
The Volvo brand JWS 3309 oil is very expensive, so the alternative is to purchase the Mobil 3309 over the internet (which is what I did), or you could see how much your local Ford, GM, or Toyota dealer sells it for.
IPD sells it by the case: http://www.ipdusa.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=1997&strPageHistory=- - search&numSearchStartRecord=1.
You can get it for less money here (I've heard of them, but have never done business with them): http://www.avlube.com/mobilatf3309.html.
One thing I would check - I drive a company-owned Ford Taurus and have it serviced at the local Ford dealer's "quick lube" bay. They offer a transmission flush service for $120. Last time I was in for an oil change, I asked them if they would flush my Volvo transmission next time around and they said they would. It is definitely worth paying $120 to have them use their machine rather than doing it yourself (It's a relatively straightforward job, but it's messy and tedious work).
If you have a nearby Ford or GM dealership that has a "quick lube" bay, ask them if they'll service your Volvo transmission with their version of 3309 (WSS-M2C924-A). It's the same (or similar) transmission found on the Ford Fusion - should be an easy job for them.
Mobil is a corporation that markets oil. Mobil ATF 3309 is the name of the 100% non-synthetic transmission oil that Mobil markets to specifically meet the JWS 3309 specification.
Aisin not only builds transmissions for Toyota, Aisin is OWNED by Toyota.
Toyota Type-IV, Mobil ATF 3309, Ford XT-8-QAW, GM 9986195, Volvo 1161540, Audi G-052-025-A2, etc. are all the same spec oil.
Clear as mud... :sick:
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? the msds sheet for this is dated 2007. Is this the "new" product you speak of? geez, why is this so hard?
Can I trust a transmission shop like AAMCO to put in the oil that I bring?
AAMCO charges $260 (includes ATF), which seems high compared to your Ford dealer. but seems a trans shop should be a good safe bet, right?
p.s. sorry for posting to the wrong thread - this is all new to me!
Mobile ATF 3309, which is not fully synthetic, but which seems to be specially formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and which is going to cost you much less than a synthetic.
Mobile 1 ATF, which is a full synthetic, and will have a much higher price, maybe about as much as the Volvo ATF which is evidently also a full synthetic.
In general, synthetic oils have a longer service life than non-synthetic, so if you use Mobile 3309 you might have to replace the fluid sooner than if you used Mobile 1 ATF or Volvo.
At to going to any tranny shop, you may not be get the exact tranny fluid you specify. Suppose you ask them if they will flush and refill your tranny with "Mobile 3309", and they reply, "Yes, we use 3309 spec'd product for Volvos all the time and have had no complaints." What does that mean? Are they using Mobile 3309 or some substitute for Mobile 3309, which they buy in bulk from some dubious source?
I don't know if this is actually done by tranny shops, but I've been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing done in the case of other products.
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? "
Mobil 1 ATF is fully synthetic and claims to meet the JWS 3309, but it also claims to meet many other specifications. For example, the product sheet you linked mentions Volvo 97340. This is a multi-purpose oil that also meets Dextron III specifications. Dextron III is not compatible with the JWS 3309 specification (it's the old spec for older 4 speed transmissions from GM).
So maybe the synthetic oils are OK, and maybe they're not. Is Mobil going to pay for a new transmission if yours fails? Why take a chance with a multi-purpose oil that may or may not create problems down the road? Just get the Mobil 3309 (or other single-purpose 3309 oil) and flush it every 50 or 60K miles. It's the stuff Volvo originally put in your transmission - and you should too.
Now you're making me re-think using it. I'm going to call Mobil again on Monday and tell them what you said about the Volvo 97340 spec, and see what they say. My owners manual does say to use Volvo synthetic, and two Volvo dealers said they only use synthetic. Since Mobil ATF 3309 is not synthetic its hard to believe this is the best choice. but of course, Volvo just wants me to spend more $$, no? So if you're interested, stay tuned and I'll let you know what I hear from Mobil on Monday... cheers...
My maintenance manual says, "Check ATF level only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends changing ATF every 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing."
Where in your owners manual does it say to use Volvo synthetic ATF? For that matter, where does it say to change the ATF at all?
Hopefully, you're on to something - I like the idea of using synthetic too, but I won't until it's a sure thing.
If the Mobile 1 ATF is now formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and if the Mobile 1 new formula is only twice the price of the Mobile ATF 3309, then Mobile 1 new formula might be the better option. I gather that the cost of the Volvo ATF is several times the cost of non-synthetic Mobile ATF 3309. There is a considerable labor cost in changing the ATF. Concerning the Volvo UK discussion sites, middle class people in the UK are much more careful with their expenditures than Americans. (They were in the past, anyway. My experience with British frugality is 25 years old. Since that time, the Europeans have gotten relatively better off financially than Americans.)
I checked the fluid in my 2004 V70 base model with 5-spd Aisin auto tranny (not the "geartronic") which we have owned since new (38 kmi on the odo, and driven reasonably carefully 5 years, but in the Dallas TX heat). The fluid is a reddish brown in color and has no off-odor, specifically no burned smell. I'm going to consider the ATF question but I don't think I have to change ATF right now.
In the end though, I suppose as long as the oil says it's JWS 3309 compliant, and it's getting changed, that's a heck of a lot better than NEVER changing it at all.
the Mobil techy said synthetics are primarily for extreme conditions, and since I live in the mild Pacific Northwest, I don't really need it, so after all this research, I'm going to use Mobil 3309 conventional and save some money.
good luck to all.
3 weeks later the check engine light and flashing "up" arrow illuminated and acceleration was not smoothe. This happened during the required smog check for license renewal. The manual states the flashing up arrow represents problem with the gearbox/transmission.
Any feedback on what to do with this is appreciated!! I would like to get it fixed for the least amount of dollars.
I have a 2003 V70 2.4T with 37,000 that I purchased from a Volvo dealer 2 months ago. Soon after, I noticed what can be described as stumble or hesitation between 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. On a moderate acceleration, easing up to a 45 mph speed limit, the transmission will stumble as if it is trying to decide between 4th or 5th. As the throttle comes up and the car goes out of 3rd it tries to settle into 5th only to realize that the car does not have the momentum for the engine to move the car along comfortably so it tries 4th only to find that the preferred efficiency is in 5th and back it goes. (or some variation of this). It does this for no more than a second or two and then it passes. This only occurs under the situation as described at or near the 41 mph mark.
Of course the overriding concern is that a major problem in imminent. I would like to think that this would be the type of problem that a software upgrade would resolve. It really seems as though the computer can’t make up its mind.
I did have it back to the dealer be could not replicate the issue on a test drive. I does not happen consistently but it does happen often enough (4-6 times per week) to be described as a real issue
Has anyone encountered a similar problem and discovered fix? The service department at the Volvo dealership is keeping their mouth shut regarding any known transmission issues and giving me the “you are imagining it” look. I would normally run to an independent shop but and fairly convinced it could be a known problem when they sold the car as they were the original dealer and have the full service history.
found it to be a high maintanence car with high expense. most problems seem to be associated with secondary systems, poor engineering and cheap materials, nagging rattles, broken switches, locks, headlights, signals, mud guards and tires (7 of them so far) think the front is too heavy for low profile rims (standard). But the engine and drive train seem to be sound. Relatively lo milage, I just broke 72K, and have that "shake" after highway driving upon slowing. The idle seems to drop below 500 rpm. noticed it dimishes with higher octane fuel usage, but always returns. I was wondering if it is related to the transmission, not releading on time, or vacumn leak. I need to keep this car for another 130K to make it worth the original investment, but I consider the additionals costs, to-date... a lesson learned.
My 2001 V70 seems to be having the same problem. How did you resolve yours?
Thanks
Any advise? Can this be fixed without another new transmission?
Other than the original transmission neutral-at-stops feature, the other big owner-related issue re transmission problems or failure on these cars is failure to change the transmission fluid. Part of it is probably Volvo's fault, as the owner's manual specifies 105k miles as the first transmission fluid change. That's entirely too many miles, even for synthetic fluid. It's not unusual for high-mileage transmissions which have been fully flushed for the first time w. synthetic fluid to experience high failure rates afterwards, because the detergent action of the fresh synthetic fluid acts to free up accumulated goop & junk inside the transmission. Although my local Volvo dealer recommends the full flush, my independent Volvo mechanic strongly advises doing only a drain & refill, not a full flush. The latter is a safer choice for high mileage transmissions, especially if you're not sure when your fluid was last changed (or if it's ever been changed).
I don't understand your post - what exactly is the problem? What has Ford messed up? :confuse:
What the heck are you talking about? I never said anything about Ford. Did you even read my post?
I asked what the problem is, because all the OP mentioned was something about his Volvo jerking in heavy traffic. And if his Volvo jerks in traffic, what does that have to do with the government?
So I'll ask again. What's the problem? Is it some condensation/water in the gas tank? Is it a failing fuel pump? A clogged fuel filter? A bad O2 sensor? A failing ignition coil? A bad spark plug? A clogged fuel injector? A faulty computer chip? A defective transmission? A bumpy stretch of highway? Did he spill hot coffee in his lap during his morning commute? :confuse:
thanks in advance.
ohbkk
My 2004 V70 (I bought it new 6 years ago) has 105,000 miles and I've never had a significant problem with it.
Is there anything in particular I should look out for when doing a test-drive? So far I've driven just one, and liked it fine. That particular car did not have the various packages that I wanted on it, however.
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
http://www.palisadesvolvo.com/staff/index.cfm
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
http://www.palisadesvolvo.com/staff/index.cfm
Is Palisades covering ALL Volvos? Or, just those that they sold?
Thanks.
I JUST GOT OFF OF THE PHONE WITH PALISADES VOLVO!!!
WHY WOULD YOU POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
My local mechanic, in about 5 minutes, diagnosed the problem as a faulty transmission. Within a day, the car just died. We called Volvo of America. They said they would look into it, but very likely not cover it as my car had nearly 100k miles on it, and because I was out of warranty. We simply traded it in, warts and all, for a used BMW 5 Series wagon. I'm told that BMW's actually last, and that BMW stands behind their cars. I'm soooooo done with Volvo. Good luck!