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PS I have 2005 EX-L with 40.000miles and gave up arguing with honda customer service. I know only one - no more hodas in my family.
Also if you want e-mail correspodence, I can forward it.
I'm just like...i know blah blah blah.
if you could fwd the emails to me that would be great.
I wonder what I should buy then, i have a great offer of 25500 on the table now but really don't want to deal with this.
thanks again
Thanks for the inquiry! The 2008 Odyssey EXL will sell for $30890.00 plus taxes etc. PRINT THESE PRICES AND PRESENT THEM TO THE INTERNET DEPARTMENT ONLY! These prices are subject to any factory price changes and product availability. I do stock similar used vehicles also. Please contact me for more information, a demo drive, trade in appraisals or financing assistance. If my figures are off you prefer to purchase here, I will match any legitimate competitors prices.
2.My reply was:
Hi,
Thanks for quote. I did some online research and there are a lot complains about humming-vibration on theses cars (2005-2007 models). Have these issues been solved in 2008 model and if it was, what was done to resolve it?
3. Their initial answer was:
The only problem we had with a few 2005 Odysseys was a power steering pump noise which has been corrected long ago. My service dept is not aware of any chronic problems with Odysseys at all. The Odyssey has the most room--best resale value -- one of the safest in crash tests and one of the most satisfying vehicles in customer satisfaction. You cannot get a better van than the Odyssey, stop by and take one for a long demo drive.
PS The steering pump was replayced in my car too.
4. I asked again about droning, there was no replay for a while, then I recieved e-mail from the MANAGER (appearently it was out of competency level of lower level internet salesperson) so my question was not saved. The managers reply was:
Just following-up on your recent Internet inquiry regarding a new Honda at ******** Honda in **********, IL. I had recently sent you an email with pricing regarding the 2008 Honda Odyssey EXL model and was curious if you’re ready to purchase as yet or if you need additional information? The Honda name is by far one of the best there is in the automotive world! I know you’ll be a happy customer! Kindly let me know what I can do to help expedite your purchase process. Please feel free to contact with any concerns and I’ll do my best to answer them for you or perhaps we could get together to discuss your needs in more detail. When you visit the dealership then be sure to ask for “*** *****” so I can answer your questions about your vehicle of interest.
Thanks again and I’ll look forward to your reply,
*** ****
Internet Sales Manager
5. I again approached with same question, now the higher ranked sales manager (like he didn't get the question in the first place from other salesman:) )
Hi,
Thanks for the quote again. I still have not received reply to my last question. Before committing for big purchase, I did extensive research. Honda Odyssey is one of the best minivans on the market per consumer reports, so why I am interested in it. I also looked at personal experience reviews by customers, and edmunds is probably the best source for that. There was a substantial amount of customers, complaining of humming-vibration noise in 2005-2007 models, which some attribute to A-pipe, some say it's transmission-engine created harmonic resonance. So before getting into new car, I would like to know weather this problem was resolved, and what was the reason for it.
6. The last reply was :
Appreciate the reply and I undersatnd your research needs to be done.I also know of your concern with the a-pipe as I own an 2006 Odyssey myself for my family.That humming sound,etc.was a recalled item and mine was replaced under warranty.Anyone else should have had the same result.I can't explain it anymore than that at this time without asking a technician.I can do so if needed and elaborate later.Again,appreciate the reply and we can talk next week.
Thanks again and have a great weekend,
Here I stopped my correspondence, since they are trying to beat around the bushes. I deleted the names of people and dealership, but they are in my saved e-mails. Just to add to his last reply - the A-pipe or down pipe was changed in my car too, but that has not changed the humming at all. The worst part is - the resonance is most prominent at highway coasting speeds 65mph. So I just decided to live with it, since honda is incompetent to do anything about it. The only option for me - forget honda brand, go with Toyota siena, Hyunday entourage, I also looked at R class Mercedes - 4 wheel drive diesel model.
Art, the owner of ultimate ghost van - 2005 (new model) Honda Odyssey EX-L
I guess all honda sales/managers read from the same handbook.
I looked at sienna too, too much $$$ for the car, plus dated body style.
R class - can't find the 320 CDI.
dunno what else to do...Chrysler T&C scares me.
C
thanks for the info
In my case, it only drones when the economy "ECO" light is on, indicating the variable cylinder management has kicked in. When on level ground or maintaining speed on a slight upgrade with the ECO light on, I get the droning. Coasting on a downgrade, however, it goes away.
Mike
I've read all the frustrating posts, and feel your pain.However, I want to give some words of encouragement. After 12 yrs of owning this van, I can honestly say it's the best auto purchase I ever made! I have put very little money into it outside of expected maintenance. I was fortunate enough to have some "under warranty" work done at 98,000 due to a recall (I can't remember of what), and the rest was minimal work. I just bought a 2006 HHR to replace my van when it dies and I've already put the HHR back on the market (with only 9800 miles) to get another Odyssey instead! This van has paid for itself and then some! My 16 yr old son made me promise he can drive it and NOT the HHR (and no, it's not 'cause it's a van... it's way too filthy for any chick).
A few later problems I had...
loud metalic vibrating noise near the muffler... I found out one of the noise/insulation pans (parden my non-tech verbage) had rusted and shaken loose. Since there were multiple layers of these "pans" I had it removed.
another loud roaring noise all over the car... I took it in several times thinking it was a muffler going bad, but no. Found out my back tires were unevenly worn and after replacing them, it was better. Still had a bit of noise, and thought is was from the window seals that were getting old.
that bit of noise got louder and louder... that's when I read all the posts here. I'm going to run the 60mph test tomorrow.
Has anyone had any issues with this in relation to the ECO coming on?
For now, I simply tap on the gas to turn off the VCM and the noise disappears.
James
I hope it will not damage anything in the car for the next 60-70k miles (I plan to keep car fro 6-7 years). :sick:
We won a lemon law case because the droning noise was acknowledged 4 times in writing by our dealer. Engine mounts, A-pipe, and exhaust hangers were replaced several times with no 100% success. The drone noise is very apparent in the winter & almost acceptable in the summer.
Our case was an early one just when the TSB was hitting the streets. Corporate quickly caught on and told the dealerships to perform the A-pipe mod & let it go...there is no 100% fix. It is a "normal operating characteristic" of all '05 & '06 Odysseys.
Here are few ponts: 1. you are defending Honda because you are emplyed by them, thats a big BIAS. 2. My knowledge of mechanical physics, thermodynamics, electricity exceeds far beyound yours high schoold diploma with some training in car mechanics ( read about internal freequencies, resonance etc.). 3. My distrust with mechanics comes from personal experience (different time, different places, different cars - examples : after replacing power steering on dodge caravan I went for alignment to the dealership (top buck for top job ?) and they overtwisted the tie-rod boots, if I would have no clue about it and would not reinspect, I would be back with leaking power steering due to broken boot, which would let dirt get into the rod and break the seals; another story - after working on the A-pipe in the dealership, several plastic clamps wich hold bottom reflector were broken and not replaced - had no energy to go back 50 miles to complain about that, another story - few month old Accord got coolant leakage - mechanic told that raccoon ate through the pipe - what a hungry animal - it has craving for that sweet ethylene glycol, and so on and so on. I don't blame mechanics for not related problems like windshield vipers and car battery (these are old ladies who bring these stories) 4. So, if I pay top buck for the car and it's reputation, I want that reputation, not a ghost sounds at coasting speeds (the cosmetic fix for problem was change in gear ratios, that new models don't drone at 65mph, they do at 75mph - is that the reputable car manufacturer' way? 5. Read previous complains from other people, I am not alone, does that mean anything to you???
So call Honda Customer support, and tell what's the real problem is, may be they will do some redesigning (it's not a gulfstream jet plain, for god's sake). :P
and by the way, for your information......i am a ase certified master mechanic....not just some mechanic training....
I bought Honda (actually two of them), because of it's previous quality, and expected that from new models. I just have the fealing, that Honda with growth has sacrificied it's quality for quantity in sales (can't say that about Toyota).
I hope you can pass some messages, heard here to somebody up in Honda technical center about problems, faced by a lot of customers.
Good luck in your job, hope you do it honestly.
Brought it into the dealer today--they found a leak in the power steering pump and replaced it. On the drive home, the noise was good. In my Ody, the noise was not intermitent...happened every time, so I feel satisified that was the problem and its resolved.
Not thrilled about that occuring, but it was handled promptly and the car was in for maintenance anyway, so...really not a big inconvenience.
Later I took it to the honda dealer and they said the transmission was OK. I am concerned if I need to do something about it or leave it alone. please comment
I went to a Honda Dealer in Irving, TX and initially they said it was the tire and hence they rotated and switched the tire.
Apparently that did not solve the issue.
I read this forum after that first attempt failed and suggested them to check the wheel bearings or the A pipe.
I took 2 technicians on a ride so that they could hear the humming sound (The humming sound only occur on a smooth road so I took them to a smooth road).
Having heard the humming, one of the technician told me that it could be the wheel bearing. Hence, they replaced the rears wheel bearing.
So far my Ody has not given me any humming noise anymore. This is my 2nd day though. I will report if the hum comes back again.
DONT RECOMEND HONDA ANY MORE.
Also, I'm looking at purchasing a 2009 Ody EX. Is the droning issue resolved in 2009? Next test drive I will specifically have me or my wife in the back to listen in the 40 - 75 mph range.
Thank you much!
Mike
Do you change rear with front?
Thanks for any help.
Any advice would be appriciated.
Thanks