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Rich
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There is such a rule for door-to-door and "off-premise" sales, so if you spring for a vacuum cleaner from someone who shows up unannounced at your front stoop, you can change your mind on that.
Myths of the Marketplace
Lots of dealers at weekend auto sales at fairgrounds/mall lots make you close at the store for this reason.
Steve, Host
I guess my wife was expecting a pretty crude ride. She called me after a few hours telling me how much she loves it!
I'd love to get some pictures up, but my ISP doesn't provide web space for me.
Now it is after market time - racks, seat covers, mirrors....
Reading these posts about the rear swap kinda concerns me now. My vehicle is supposed to come with the 44 - in fact I have 4 way disc, so I'm hoping they could swap out the 44.
For example, was the vehicle presented as new with all the items indicated on the retail sticker. If the vehicle had the doors swapped, different wheels, carpet removed, and that fact was not disclosed to the buyer, although these items are in plain view, then the dealer is fraudulent.
Should the buyer be more vigilant. Sure. Lack of vigilance on the buyers part is not a crime though.
Love that BLACK jeep.
Tazz is black..my fav color of a car to me.
LOOKS awesome when clean.
Did u know, only the PEFECT cars are painted black, every other color shows every blemish
( friend from mercedes told me that)
so keep the JEEP lookin CLEAN!!
BAMA
It's easy to tell the difference. Crawl under and see if your fill pug for the differential oil is made of rubber, or if it is a threaded metal plug. If it is metal, then you have a Dana 44.
Also, the Dana 44 is not symmetrical along the vertical axis. The left side (driver)is larger than the right side. The shape is similar to a pear laid on its side, with the big end toward the left. The Dana 35 is more pumpkin shaped.
As far as posting pics of that baby, go to Gill's web site and post them in his gallery. He doesn't charge anything for this service. Gill allows you to link your pics that you have in his gallery, so you could post them here in Jeep Owners Photo Gallery via link to Gill's.
Once again, CONGRATS, Bill!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Back to shopping?
Steve, Host
src48084 - Now that you have a full refund, head on over to another dealer and look at more Wranglers (with an important lesson learned).
Question - back in '98 when I was buying my Wrangler, one of the dealers I went to said that they would take a hard top from a Sahara they had and put it on a Sport I was looking at. They gave me the impression that they did it all the time. Is there anything wrong with the dealer taking the Sahara, changing the price to reflect the soft top rather than the hard top and still selling it as a new vehicle? (By the way, I did NOT buy that Sport - I knew it wouldn't come wired for the wiper/defroster).
These are good Jeeps for folks that don't do a lot of highway driving, since the four cylinder engine doesn't get the job done for highway driving, especially in headwinds or on long hills. They are fine around town and on the trails, if you are going to off road.
The next level is the "X" model, which gets you the 4.0 L inline six engine, but doesn't give you the option of the Dana 44 rear end.
Next is the Sport model, which comes with the 4.0 L inline six and has the option for getting the Dana 44 rear end. The Dana 35 is standard on the Sports, but the Dana 44 is an available option, which, in my opinion, is a good thing to have.
The next level is the Sahara, and, if I'm not mistaken, the only differences are cosmetic (different seats and color-matched, wider fender flares) compared to the sport. I guess some things that are optional on the Sport are standard on the Sahara. I never seriously considered the Sahara, so I don't know all the details concerning how they differ from the Sports.
The ultimate Wrangler is the Rubicon. These are for people that are going to be doing some serious off roading. They come from the factory with 31" Goodyear MT/R tires (mud tires). They have a 4:1 transfer case gear ratio in low range, which gives you much slower crawl speed than the standard transfer case, which has a 2.72:1 gear ratio in low range. They also have selectable lockers in the front and rear differentials. They are a great bargain for people who would modify their Jeeps to a similar configuration anyway with after market stuff. If a person bought a Sport and added these features, he would spend much more money than he would if he just bought a Rubicon to start with.
Hope this helps, but you should go to www.jeep.com to learn more details.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
It appears to be the 44 since it has the threaded metal screw. After reading some of these posts I wanted to make sure no one did a swap-a-roo on the rear. I had to run out and check (even though it is dark).
Gonna wait on taking off the top - expecting rain tomorrow.
Did ya see my post about gill's web site hosting your pics? I just gotta see that black beauty!
Oh, yeah, on the top... they say it really ain't a good idea to run too long with both tops installed. I'm sure a day or two won't matter, but I wouldn't wait too long.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Anybody else have this problem? If so, are you pointing the fog lamps funny, or are you running with the fog lamps for bumper extensions, or did you rig up something else?
I think I am getting ready to rig up something else, but curious to see if anybody had any experiences/ideas.
Thanks
Right after buying my 2001 Sahara, I installed power windows, door locks, and remote entry. I've had a couple of people that after seeing the work, asked if I would install them in their Jeeps. I was wondering if you guys could give me input on this, such as do these things interest you, would this make a nice factory option, how much would you pay, etc.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Also, has anyone experienced downshift problems with the automatic when cold?
From Turbo City, called Rock-it Sidebars. Here's a link:
http://www.turbocity.com/JeepBumpers.htm
-Pete
Power Locks are a different story. That is one feature that I actually like. Of course, I don't mind bending over to unlock the doors for others, but in a 4-Door car/suv... it's not very comfortable. Occasionally, I wouldn't mind doing that, but daily... no...
Keyless entry is the only reason why I would even want Power Locks. It's nice to have the doors unlocked before you get in. :-) Of course, once again, I don't mind turning a key.
Nice features, but all of them are unnecessary, in my opinion. Depends on the person.
Now, factory options on the Jeep... well, I don't really care, but I would only buy one with the locks, and not the windows.
The mechanic said it is OK to drive.
I haven't even got the top off yet - but that will change this weekend - rain or shine.
-twylie
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Steve, Host
KEEP JEEPIN
BAMA
paint chipping off door handles
faded fender flares
paint chipping on tailgate
rusting on door hinges
While the engines are bulletproof....the bodies / paint are shabby.
On June 3, I took it back to the dealer who installed the replacement trans and stated that it was hard to shift and grinding between gears the way the first one did before it failed. The dealer had their mechanic drive the vehicle, but refused to write it up on a repair order. This was my 3rd repair visit on the trans problem.
I am investigating filing a complaint against the dealer as my state's DMV has told me that I am entitled to one for the June 3 visit.
I would suggest caution to anyone considering the 2003 2.4L with the 5-speed. Although the engine seems great and gas mileage is up in the 23 mpg range.
Don't get me wrong you guys... if you have a problem, then you SHOULD post about it, but it is depressing to hear of so many problems in such a short period of time.
Has the Jeep quality suffered that much since I bought Thelma Jane? I had a couple minor problems that were efficiently corrected under warranty, but some of you guys are having serious problems.
Oh well, I can only say that Thelma Jane is doing fine, and she now has 32,000 miles on her. I am still IN LOVE! She is so much fun that I can't even find the words to describe what a joy it is to have her.
Hope everyone's problems get taken care of soon. Owning a Jeep should be nothing but pure joy!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Factory defects:
Issue - 2 small paint blemishes in the passengers door (debris under surface coat).
Resolution - dealer noted and offered to repaint or deal with it if it ever breaks through the finish coat. I elected the latter option.
Issue - terrible mis-stiching inside on the drivers upper door (I have half doors).
Resolution - dealer said it was cosmetic and couldn't do much unless it leaked. Hasn't leaked yet, so I didn't push the issue but had them log the item as a service visit should the stitching ever give out.
Since we got it:
Issue - intermitant "won't start".
Resolution - 2 visits to the dealer and could not reproduce. When it did it the next time at the house, I had my wife turn the ignition to Start while I crawled under and tapped the starter with a rubber mallet. Jeep immediately cranked and dealer replaced starter no questions asked. No problems since.
That's it for me; two items that could be chalked up to weak quality control and one bad part.
Given how I've used the Jeep and the places it's taken me off road, I'm pretty pleased with how it's held up. Very surprised that it doesn't squeak or rattle given the off-roading trips.
Happier with the Jeep than I could have imagined.
-twylie
I didn't mean to ramble on about my JGC, but the point is, there were just too many posts about problems, and it was a very negative place. I hope we aren't heading that direction here, but I know you guys are having problems, and they need to be posted for everyone's benefit. I guess what I'm saying is that I hope this recent rash of problems is not really typical for new Jeep Wranglers.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://www.lemonaidcars.com
The funny thing is that on the site you can see that 97-00 TJs are ranked "above average," while 01-02 TJs are "average," meaning the quality went down the last two model years. Perhaps, the quality control is not what it used to be (perhaps due to cost cutting???), and maybe that is why Phil called it "atrocious" in his 2003 book.
BTW, 2002 Liberty is NOT recommended by Phil, and that category is even lower than "below average"
Grand Cherokee (95-02) is ranked as "average," but the perennial competitor 4Runner (96-02) is in the "recommended" category, to which only 10 vehicles (all of them Japanese) belong, so DC has some catching up to do
CPS goes out so I take it in. Then it gets broken into while at the dealership. Broken window, stolen stereo, broken glove compart and center console.
All fixed after a 2 week wait.
2 days after I get him home dead battery. I decided to buy a new one since the original one is 4 years old. So far it has held a charge. I was originally afraid that the stereo guys had screwed up and something was causing a drain on the battery.
Now this:
Put key in door and unlock and it will not open. Have to crawl over from passenger side. Lock mechanism feels screwed up. Had to be something not put back together properly when they replaced the broken window in the door.
Then the FINAL INSULT:
The driver side seatbelt will not go into the latch/receptacle/buckle! Either glass got into the buckle or something else has now broken.
Needless to say I am exasperated.
Other issues I have had with this car include the broken exhaust manifold.
Sounds like another trip to the dealer - at least the dealer seems to be willing to make it right.
Glad it wasnt anything serious, like u other guys are having. Im stil VERY pleased with TAZZ.
no comlpaints from me at all.
I wish u guys luck, and keep us posted.
KEEP JEEPIN'
BAMA
Thanks,
brimcrow