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Unfortunately he is stuck in the middle and there is nothing he can do for me. All I want is my car fixed for good and my money back. I am going to write the NTSB and I have not had a reply to the Email that I sent to GM last week. I will call them also as you suggest. Ask your dealer about the BCM and the terminals and see what they say.
Good Luck!!!!
Did you ever have the GM service dept work on your car or were you doing all of this yourself? If they even think that someone other then a GM or certified tech has been working on the vehicle they will not take responsibility.
I am not saying that you are not qualified but the fact that they are declining to do anything may be because of your individual efforts to repair the car. Is that the case?
I am calling GM today since no response to my quaries in the past. Also going to call my attorney to see how exactly to file a class action lawsuit and how to get all of the persons together that have had the problem and sought only dealer repairs with no success.
Lets get everyone with this problem together and file a class action lawsuit since GM doesn't want to fess up to the cause of our problems. I never heard from GM after sending the email to them. Go figure!!!!
The biggest thing is that I love my car and other then this problem there is not a single thing wrong with it. The engine and body etc are excellent. I don't want to get rid of this car and GM needs to make it right. Put the blasted BCM in a different area or whatever at no charge and get this resolved. I know my car will last another 50k or more and I am trying to convince a Honda owner that this car is great. Hard to do when you have this going on.
Ho Hum!!!!!!
Seriously I like the gold plate idea and I am only interested in a civil action concerning the passlock security systems. If we get too much involved they will think us just a bunch of nuts. Of course we know we aren't
So how do we go about a class action suit. Anyone know???
Who is going to be the representative plaintiff? And in what jurisdiction should such a suit be brought? Most of those who have written to this forum appear at some point to have entrusted their vehicle to non-GM technicians. How are you going to answer the defense that you turned the car over to an idiot repair man? So that the fault is yours?
Did you cut any wires? Pontiac will claim you sabotaged your own car, and that (again) they are not to blame. You should have brought the car into Pontiac and spent the $800 for the switch.
Oh, you say: The local dealership didn't know what to do? Stuck you with a heap of unneeded parts? Kept the car for a month? But, at most, that's a local problem, and the proper response is to go see your state regulators, not bother mama Pontiac with a lawsuit.
What relief do you want? Is the objective to get Pontiac to gold-plate the contacts so they don't corrode? Replace the Hall sensors for free? Take the car back for being a "lemon?" Pay damages for lost time or income? What proof does anyone have that Pontiac knew of the problem and tried to cover it up? And did our representative plaintiff buy the Pontiac new? If so, does the plaintiff truly represent you?
What kind of power are you going up against? If Pontiac is leaving the system in because it is more afraid of being subjected to a products-liability lawsuit by an insurance company, what makes anyone believe that their little lawyer is going to scare Pontiac one little bit?
And you will need a lawyer -- there is no way a private citizen on his own could shepherd such a lawsuit through the courts without professional help (I wouldn't even try).
How about experts? They're not free either. Someone will have to pay for an independent examination of the problem, so that the lawyer will have something to present. Then, there will have to be very expensive discovery directed at Pontiac or GM to ascertain what they knew about the problem and what (if anything) they actually did about it. Yes, you could strike oil here; but, just as easily, you could drill a dry hole.
But, for anyone who's game, you need to find one or more representative plaintiffs who can file a joint complaint for themselves and all others similarly affected in a friendly jurisdiction, and you must seek at least some form of relief that would allow you at minimum to pay the legal bills.
That really is the bottom line, and I assure you it would be cheaper, at least in the beginning, to just pay Pontiac the $800.
I have been following this thread for a long time, and quite frankly Passlock is getting the blame for a lot of problems that are unrelated to it.
Yes, you can bypass the Hall effect sensor, but you have to understand how it changes the operation of the system and how to recover if you lose power due to battery failure or replacement.
Go figure.
If the security light is on all the time, with a remote starter installed, don't worry -- all the system is telling you is that PassLock is locked out.
That the rest of us should have your problem!
It appears to be related to moisture (humidity?), but I don't have any definitive data, just a hunch, since out here in the southwest it appears to be much less of a problem.
New Radio
New Radiator
New Fuel Pump
--end of warrenty--
@ 72,000 blew the engine. Needed a new one
@ 73,000 new bearings...well that is wear and tear
@ 76,000 this Passlock system
I have invested over $7,000 this year alone
These were not built well as everyone I know love the looks, but hate the car
Pontiac is no help either,
Heck, the car is pretty much new now
01-00-89-009 May '01
Key/Key Number/Security Chip - Replacement
01-08-49-020 DEC 01
Ignition Lock Cylinder/Switch - Replacement Revision
When my car wont start and the security light is blinking instead of solid, the key is turned and no attempt for the starter to engage occurs. I am not getting the crank but no start, just dead. If I wait 10 mins with the key on, the light turns solid and I turn the key off then start normally.
would this still be the ignition key sensor?
If the light comes on solid while the car is running it's indicating a Passlock error has occurred, and a code will be set in the OBD system.
When my ligh comes on solid no code is set. I have an ODB 2 scanner and shows nothing even when that happens.
Dont think that will be the route I go, breaking my key in the lock lol
Thanks
From what i have heard and know technically, the hall effect sensor in the switch is offending item. I think it can be purchased for about 165.
i have heard of people wanting to start a class action suit but so far dont know if anyone has
Seems to me though the going rate is about $400 - $450 now to replace the sensor at the dealer. I only had it done once a long time ago on the 99 Grand Am I had. It was $375, but as I said that was some time ago.
But now as of yesterday, the key would not turn at all as if it is stuck in "off", and as of today is still like that. Has anyone come across this problem? I've read thru alot of the posts, and didn't come across anyone with this same problem....OR a sloution to it.
It "dings" whe i put the key in but will not turn.
I think possible the key is worn, or something with the Ignition cylinder...any other ideas?
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t454520.html
And it does say that the problem could be because the key is worn out!
But, the problem came back on a month ago. Today I went to another Pontiac dealer and they did a diagnose on the car's system. The cause to the problem as they said is that the ignition cylinder has a problem. To fix it they have to replace the cylinder and it cost over $700 , adding the disgnose fee up the total cost is about $800.
I like driving in my GrandAm. But with the numbers above, plus the infamous clicking noise problem, plus power seat adjuster failure, its just disappointing.
No more Pontiac for me the next time I buy a new car.