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I can tell you that I paid $35,000 for my 2001 F250 PSD and I would have saved about $2,500 if I had used the x-plan but the company I worked for wasn't purchased by the larger one until 7 months later.
I have an '03 with that front end growl. A tech at my dealership is looking into it but so far no fix. Have you heard anything definitive on the problem or have you just heard all of us complaining? It seems, to me at least, as though the front driveshaft is spinning in 2WD when it shouldn't be and this is creating the growl in the front hubs when they are not locked into the front halfshafts.
I saw you lived in MI, do you know anyone on the inside by chance?
One thing I was posting over at the triplets site was I went back to when the triplets had been out for four months and there were over 280 posts about problems (more than 10 separate) with them. Of course since then there have been many more. I'm relieved to see so few here!
I've been pleased by the CarsDirect price and was hoping that I could get a dealer to match. I do think I may have to end up ordering one though because the only ones I've seen around Atlanta (using Fords finder) either have the DVD player instead of the Navigation or don't have the Advance Trac (or don't have the features I want), etc. I DO NOT want the DVD player but everything else but I have only seen one and it was a black one which I will not have.
ARGH!!!!
HAHA! Thats just what people say that drive around old tech vehicles ;-) I have heard of 0 problems with the IRS. Every mag I read praises the new Navigator for its terrific composure in the corners due to the IRS. The only thing that I think would be a problem durability wise would be CV joints. With towing, those have to be heavy duty. Also after time the rubber covers (CV boots) for them tend to break and let stuff in. However they don't take as much stress as the ones in the front so I don't think thats much of an issue. GM's SUV's ride nice but don't really seem to handle well IMHO. Anyway just ones guys perspective. I haven't heard of any problems from the Explorer's IRS units so I'm sure that the beefed up Navi's and Expedition's IRS will be just fine.
but it lacks so many features, keyless entry pad, disappearing 3rd seat, etc., not to mention the Chevy Truck interior, that it's unlikely I would go that way unless the deal was much better. Plus, my dealer bends over backwards for me at Lincoln. Very likely I'll risk the IRS.
I'm also in houston. I am glad I waited I had a deal wriiten up 33160 on a 41100 MSRP it was an eddie bauer. There is an additional 1000 bonus cash availble on the expedition now. I dealt with russell smith.
Actually can't believe Ford still puts the 4.6L in the truck, unless it's the 32V version.
RB
2001 Ford Expedition
There's also a Customized Appraisal button that will let you play with the mileage, etc.
Steve, Host
Thank you for the prompt response. I did not think about starting, turning or driving on dry roads.
tidester, host
1. I'm not sure whether to get the bench middle seat or Captain Chairs. I'm not sure I like the "minivan" look of the Captains Chairs. I also wonder about the hole left by the middle seat when all the seats are down. On the pro side: I cannot believe they didn't put an armrest in the middle seat and I really don't need to haul more than 7 people.
2. I don't understand why Ford doesn't link the Memory seats to the radio/HVAC settings (ala: GM). Also, the "exit" function only moves the seat back (and not down). I keep the seat all the way up when I drive and I found myself hitting my knee on the steering wheel when getting out since it doesn't move the seat down. Plus I have to "jump" into the seat when I get in.
3. I really HATE the japanese style steering wheel tilt lever. I can see myself never messing with it (which results in hitting my knees on it like I said in number 2).
4. Love the power fold rear seats. And the room back there!!!!
5. The leather seats are AWEFUL. I'm not sure they don't use a top-grade vinyl and just say it's leather.
Ok, so this is the first Ford I've ever looked at seriously. I know I shouldn't compare it to GM but thats all I know. It's sad to see Ford takes so long to copy the technology of the others. (Remember how Ford didn't even have an AUTOMATIC power antenna until 1988!!!!! That's ridiculous!)
I totally agree with you on the Japanese steering wheel adjuster too. I can't stand those and much prefer the spring operated lever.
I have owned Ford's for some time now so I'm not up to date with GM's technology. I was surprised to hear that they have memory for the radio and HVAC. THATS COOL! I guess its not the memory for the HVAC that I'm crazy about with the changing seasons/temps here in Michigan. However memory radio would be terrific! For now my wife just uses FM1 and I use FM2. It works but there are still more stations that I would like to have on memory.
I guess the next step for you is to decide if these gripes you have are things that you can live with or not. Not that I'm trying to talk you into or out of an Expedition (I like them alot), But maybe the Yukon or Tahoe is a better choice? They do have soft leather seats, the spring loaded steering wheel adjustment and probably have those memory settings that you mentioned. Anyway keep us all updated and have a wonderful holiday!
If I may, I'd like to add some factual data here. For example, while Ford started putting fuel injection on their cars generally in 83, and had the entire fleet of engines converted to Multi-port FI by 1987, GM continued to build some cars with throttle body FI until 2 years ago. Not all of them, but some engines were never converted until they were replaced by new engines. In fact, the 1990 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham I had still had a carburetor on top of a Chevy 350 motor! I started spotting coil on plug technology in Ford engines in 1998. GM just began using it last year on some engines. Yes, Cadillac had the famous V-8-6-4 failure in 1980, technology, but it didn't work. The 4.1 aluminum Cadillac engine was a fully modern design, but failed usually by about 40,000 miles in everything they used it in. I lost 3 of them.
Now, I'll agree with you, that the Ford trucks, including the Navigator I have is missing some stuff I would like to have - the memory profile is one. The Continental has had that since 95, tying the mirrors, seat position HVAC controls and radio preferences to the driver. But the trucks don't get it. They should. Also, reclining seatbacks should be power, not manual. I too hate the new tilt wheel. I see the Volvo has them too. But comparing apples to apples, the Cadillac Escalade, Johnny come lately that it was, didn't even get electronic climate control until 2002, and still has the Chevy dash and stereo controls.
The EB Expedition and Navigator had Electronic Climate since 1998, as did the EB Explorer and Mountaineer in the upscale version. The new Explorer and Expedition have independent rear suspension, allowing those "power" back seats to fall flat into the floor. NOBODY has that technology other than Ford yet. They have the keypad on the door, and if you've ever wanted to leave the car running while you ran into the house, it's great. The IRS eliminates all of the pitch and yaw the old versions, and all of the GM versions have and contributes greatly to handling.
GM is still putting out pushrod engines and calling them groundbreaking, while Ford is introducing an ever growing fleet of overhead cam engines in the 3 and 4 valve per cylinder iterations. Even the small 6 cylinder engine in the Explorer is of OHC design. The engine in the Town Car, Crown vic and Grand Marquis has been of OHC design since 1993. Not that GM still makes that platform, but their competition, if you can call it that, is the Impala, with the pushrod V-6 updated from about 1975 when Buick brought it out. It's a good engine, I still have one, but it's not a technological marvel even today.
So I have some complaints with Ford too, but on the technology front, I have not seen GM taking the lead since about 1986, which is why I'm in Ford stuff now. As for the power antenna, I for one was disappointed when Ford "cheaped out" and eliminated the separate button to raise and lower the power antenna. It took away my choice to leave it up when I turned the car off, and wore out the motor.
Mfullmer- What I'm doing when I say look at the Yukon or Tahoe is just pointing out two other capitable vehicles. This is coming from a Ford guy too;-) I know that you are fed up with GM so maybe this (going Ford) is a good change. However this is Expeditions first year. Ford did alot to make sure that there wont be any problems but things do show up on first year vehicles. So far there has only been 1 major problem on the 4x4 Expeditions and there is a fix for that. So I guess I'm just trying to caution. The Ford Expedition is a terrific new SUV and has ALOT to offer, but since it is a first year vehicle it may not be totally free from recalls and defects (something that I think you are trying to get away from). If I was in the market for a new SUV now I would get the Expedition because (1)I am a Ford guy and (2) because my past experiences with Ford first year vehicles has been relatively positive.
I became a Ford guy in 1986 after GM gave me a Lemon Cutlas Ciera. I know its not much of a car to begin with but its how they handled the problem that made me switch car companies.
With a 5.4L 2wd & 3.73 rear gear, what kinda' fuel milage can one realistcally expect? City? Highway @ 70 mph? Any thoughts?
Also, I don't really like the massive center console that runs all the way to the dash. I'd much prefer the floor area between the driver & passeger areas to be open. I wonder if there is carpet under the console?
btw, price here in DFW area is apprximately $32,906.00 drive out (no DVD, but has power fold rear seat)
Anything else I', missing here? Again, any imputs would be appreciated.
Thanks
David Berry
Mr. Berry, you're going to get horrible mileage, ok? If you're buying for mileage, you're looking at the wrong vehicle. Realistically, you're going to get 13 city, 16 HWY in an Expedition, no matter what you do. And I can't believe you want the console out. Where would you put your "stuff"? On the seat? Exactly the reason I LIKE the big SUVs...... Whatever.
I think the new version Expedition drives nicer than my current Navigator. I'm really impressed with how well it holds a lane, and the old pitch & yaw from the live axle is now gone. I'm not in love with the dash appearance, and I hate that tilt wheel, but from a performance perspective, this truck felt like solid gold. No rattles, squeaks or air noise, everything worked perfectly, and the power was great. I'm very impressed. Usually on a rental, you can find a problem. Not on this one. I did note it was averaging 13 MPG, which is no surprise at all.
On plus side I do get 2 more MPG than my buddy with his Yukon XL.