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~70% of braking force needs to be up front - that's where the momentum transfers when you brake. If you put too much braking in the rear, the rear wheels lock up. ABS prevents that, but ABS 'throws away' the excess braking to prevent that. If you determine how much braking is needed front and rear (as in most modern vehicle), and design accordingly, it is not an issue. The electronic force distribution fine-tunes that balance.
Personally, the Freestyle brakes haul this vehicle down to a stop very rapidly in a straight line. They feel better than stopping with Blazers, Explorers, and Escapes in my book. Fortunately, I have never had my Freestyle in for repair in two years of ownership. It has been great. :shades:
ALSO EBD only compensates when ABS is actively managing braking.
Mark.
Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
Front brake diameter - 12.5
Front brake width - 1.1
Front brakes - ventilated disc
Rear brake diameter - 13.0
Rear brake width - 0.4
Rear brakes - disc
:shades:
Ford tells me this is not covered by the bumper-bumper warranty...I wonder where the brakes are then?
Check this link out.
http://www.myford500.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7336
I have about 11,000 miles on my 2006 Freestyle. My wife drives it now and I've told her to listen for rear brake noise. We've loved it in the year we've had it - no problems, and its cargo volume has been very helpful.
As if that wasn't bad enough, now it appears I have only about 10-20% brake pad life left on the rear brakes. Even the rear rotors are thinning rapidly. This just plain sucks!
Before I go visit my local dealer, has anyone had any success with getting the dealer to help out with this issue? I have no idea what this is going to cost, otherwise. Also, are there after market rotors and pads that may be better than OEM?
Thanks!
I guess the engineers at Ford have never hear of "cross drilled rotors"! (They dissipate the heat better than the stock original equipment rotors.) If Ford included these rotors as part of the package, it would probably raise the price of the vehicle about $100.00 dollars. But then, the customer would not have the "fun" of going back to the dealer over this issue. So, on second thought, it is much better for the company to put out a product with a problem, and in the process, scare potential customers away from making a purchase. But, Ford wants people to purchase American vehicles! Lets all connect the "dots" on this issue! ----Best regards. ----- Dwayne :confuse: :sick:
I will let you know how the new brakes work out.
I would be interested to know how your new Goodyears are performing?, did they require much weight to balance? do they feel smooth if you "accidentally" find yourself going way over the speed limit?
Went to my local Ford dealer and they will NOT pay for the new pads. They said that IF it was under 12,000 miles they may consider some compensation.
We will be having new brakes put on at a local shop who is about half the price of the dealer.
Has anyone had any relief by contacting Ford direct? By the way, thanks for all the replies!
As far as the Goodyears, they seem to be holding well so far and required just normal weight. I haven't been over 60 yet as I have just been on backroads and my wife normally drives it daily. They seemed fine.
The toe-in on the car was out quite a bit, especially on the front left which caused significant wear on those sorry Pirellis.
I believe my naext vehicle will not be a Ford product.
That is "GREAT" public relations on the part of Ford and the Ford Dealer! Lets connect the dots on this issue. Ford produces a family of vehicles that have problems with early brake pad / rotor wear. The condition is very visible because of the brake dust. The Ford dealers know about this condition, ---- but ---- neither Ford or the Ford Dealer will do anything about the condition after 12,000 miles. You cannot purchase this type of product advertising from a high priced Madison Avenue firm in New York City! Yes Ford, ---- you are doing an outstanding job with regards to selling your products! Keep up the great work. You will be out of business very quickly.
On the other hand, all Ford would have to do is admit that there is a problem, install cross drilled rotors on the rear of the vehicles with the appropriate pads, and move on! Ford could then use this issue as positive corporate advertisement for product quality, and a concern for the Ford customer base. Word of mouth advertising is the best form of product advertising. The people on this forum would be singing the praises of Ford!
I hope someone in the Ford Corporation is reading this forum. Best regards. ---- Dwyane :sick: :confuse:
Carsten
It is nice to see that Ford is starting to do the right thing with regards to this rear brake issue! BUT, ----replacing the rear brakes is only one part of the issue. The other part is correcting the problem of early rear brake wear. The rear brakes should NOT have to be replaced every 15 to 20 thousand miles. QUESTION: ---- Has Ford solved that part of the problem, or will they simply replace the rear brakes at a discount price for the life of the vehicle, for the original owner? There is either an operational problem or the quality of the pads and the rotors are not equal to the task of stopping the vehicle. More needs to be done with regards to this issue. ---- Best regards. ---- Dwyane :confuse: :shades:
How do you account for your high mileage on your rear brakes? ---- Could the problem simply be a combination of city, (stop & go driving), driving style of the operator, the materials of the brake system and the amount of highway driving logged on the vehicle? Something is different about your vehicles! Let's explore this further! ---- Best regards. ---- Dwyane :confuse:
As far as driving style, if I see a red light ahead of me I don't accelerate to the light only to slam my brakes on at the last minute. I just let of the gas and slowly coast to the light allowing for engine braking. If a car jumps ahead of me I don't care.
On the highway I rarely use the brakes because I keep aware of my surroundings and don't drive too close to the car in front of me.
On long downhills I use engine braking.
Again...pretty normal driving.
On top of it there's probably the driving style. I am amazed how crazy some people drive, still accelerating although the lights are red and then braking like mad :confuse: Maybe they should just watch the road instead of chatting on the mobile phone or watching the navigation system...
Carsten
I'm researching replacement pads for my '05 Freestyle (SEL FWD 25,000mi). I've been reading all of these rear brake postings as well. I'll call my local dealer tomorrow and see where I stand with the TSB, but I was wondering how you were making out with your replacement pads and rotors.
Thanks.
It looks like my local dealer is aware of the TSB. He also says that if the car is under 3 yrs. 36k the replacement should not cost me anything. The longer I had him on the phone the more I got the impression they'll take care of you if you do all of the homework necessary to back them into a corner. I had the TSB 06-22-17 ready to be e-mailed if he wanted to read it again but he said he was familiar with it. After he told me they use a different pad as a replacement I made an appointment to have it done next Thursday. I'll let you all know how it turns out.
As for Ford brakes going so early, I just had to change my '03 mustang brakes with only 40k miles on it, so something is fishy. It's a V6 so it isn't like I'm horsing around with the car.
If you scroll back to post #64 there's a link that'll take you to the TSB that describes the early brake wear that a lot of Freestyles are experiencing. My dealer is aware of it and is replacing the existing pads with ceramics, and I'm addressing the door latch recall (NHTSA Campaign Number 06V38300)also. Don't know if that applies to your vehicle.
I know you are reading this.
Wondering how the rear brake thing is
going with your Freestyle "customers".
Rears metal to metal at 25,000 miles.
Front at 50%.
I spent $320 at Goodyear for pads and rotors.
2005 limited AWD. Your ford dealers want $75
just to look at the thing and an estimate.
Hey Ford Detroit, why dont you just sign on in
here, or just email me on how I can get my $320 back,
dont you want me to buy another Ford ???
You really want me to go Toyota/Honda?
Come on, Ford Detroit, just jump in here,
going foreign soon... any body there in Detroit ?
You can just email me how I get my $320 back...
let me know, if you lose me, you lost america...
you there ?
totally babied, high end vehicle.
i have been in a similar situation with other brands.
if it were my freestyle, i would be upset, too.
what i was trying to say was that my wife had an expensive wagon that need new front pads\disks at 30k.
it was mostly driven on the highway and any loads were carried in our suv.