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Mazda 5 - 964 units vs 1,560 for March '08
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/13/hyundai-and-kia-use-fleet-sales-to-boost-numb- ers/
EDIT: Seems the Aspire motor was a Mazda... go figure. Hopefully they kept a few engines to reverse engineer.
My wife and I really liked the Rondo but in the end we still love our clutch and stick shift, so the Mazda 5 won that battle. We're quite happy with our decision. The 5's super fun to drive and the versatile interior just can't be matched (except for the Rondo of course). Not quite the refined ride of the Kia but I like the sportier ride.
No offense but that is incorrect, definitely a Rondo is for you then. Glad everybody is OK and you found the right car, good report and enjoy the grand kids!
Mazda5 1,758. Diff from Apr 08: -12.6%
Sources:
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/- 05-01-2009/0005017640&EDATE=
http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20090501/LA0952601052009-1.html
Ha ha. Ha ha. The things I've done with my 5. The car loves to corner and I've tamed three of the local mountain roads so far. It's no Porsche for sure but it's still fun to drive, the 5-speed manual transmission is just absolutely made for this car, and sure the suspension is not as comfy as a Kia Rondo or Toyota Corolla's but then again the first thing I did with my Corolla was put stiff as heck springs on them to improve handling. The Mazda 5 is not as stiff yet still has great handling. Sorry if you don't enjoy driving anymore, the Rondo is a great car but don't claim that people don't buy the 5 for the zoom-zoom, if the 5 drove like any other minivan I would never have considered it in the first place! But alas it has a soul of a sports car and I love it!
What he said x2. It is very clear why you drive the Rondo. You prefer comfort, functionality and bland looks. We Mazda5 owners prefer sporty handling, funtionality and sporty looks.
"Nobody buys the 5 for zoom zoom"
HA HA HA HA!
And in my comment, I love my 5 speed manual Mazda 5 but nothing against the 5 speed auto Mazda 5s out there, we're still Zoom-Zooming!
I would have never considered the 5 if it weren't for its good and sporty looks, sporty intentions and driving demeaner and youthfulness, in addition to its practicality. I feel my 5's steering feel is perfect. It handles like a dream - a sporty one at that - AND it fits my family's needs perfectly (married father with two 9 year old boys). We all couldn't be happier with our car and it's sportiness and looks. So, yes, it's "zoom zoom" was/is a DEFINITE factor (my wife hates minivans, but she loves the 5, and very much disliked the Rondo because of its "uncool minivan-ness").
I'm really glad you're happy with your choice to drive the Rondo. More power to you! But, honestly, all this talk about the Rondo's "comfortable ride" has perplexed me. I, extensivlely, drove a 2007 Rondo for over a week and didn't find the ride to be superior to the 5's in the least. No offense, as we all are able to express our opinions in this forum, but I found the Rondo's ride to be very cheap feeling and misleading. At first, the ride seemed to be comfortable until you come in contact with bumps, potholes, speed bumps or dips in the road. Then, all that supposed "comfort" went flying out the window as the suspension felt harsh and cheap, and let all the unfiltered vibrations into the cabin - especially with a full load of passengers who all complained that their butts, literally, hurt after a long trip because of the harsh ride (characteristics my 5 does not exhibit at all). Mazda 5's ride may seem firmer at first, but you soon find it's, in actuality, more cosetting than the Rondo's - PLUS, it delivers better handling. Side note - I also noticed a slight but noticeable difference in ride quality between my 2006 5 and my 2008 - 08 rides better and feels more refined.
Another side note: To the person who alluded to the fact that a 60 year old should drive/consider a Rondo. No fair! Let's not generalize with the mature folks that way. My mom's 60 years old and still very much enjoys driving and appreciates my 5's "zoom zoom".
My family hated the Mazda. When it wen,t I got a Kia. I am much happier than I was with the 5. Mine was definitely a lemon. I would never indulge myself with a Mazda again. Sorry the Mazda 5 just has no guts and it is not utilitarian enough to be really used as a van.
It has not found a niche yet and before it does I imagine it will go out of production. You can read about mine and my experience with Mazda Credit Corporation, http://vaselinerequired.blogspot.com/
As for me, I have had two 5's, and with the exception of the suspension crunching I experienced in sub-freezing weather in my first 5, they have both been blissfully trouble-free and reliable.
As for not being able to use the M5 as a van, um...it's kinda not designed to be used as an outright van. If someone does want van utility they'd be much better served with a regular-sized minivan such as a Caravan, Quest or Odyssey, not the 5 or a Rondo. However, as far as carrying the ocassional large loads, I have yet to encounter a problem with my 5. It can handle all four of us, plus A LOT of stuff - a lot more than any conventional family sedan could - with the utmost ease. And I think that is the point of the 5 - more utility than a regular family sedan, but less so than a huge "mini" van. My family and friends have all been amazed at the capacity the 5 has and we often find ourselves saying: "Never underestimate Max!" (That's the pet-name my kids gave our 5 since we all love it and it's ironic how such a small mini-minivan can do so much!)
Hope your Rondo brings you years of enjoyment!
Whereas you found the Kia's seats to be more comfortable, I find it to be the exact opposite for me. The Rondo's seats made my sciatica ridden back hurt after long trips. At first, they seemed cushy, but boy did that change after a little while! In the 5, though, I can sit happily all day in all four captain chairs, not just the front seats!
As far as the stereo system goes, I actually thought the Rondo did deliver great sound, too - on par with my 5 since I think it has a great sounding system, too. Difference being that when I rented the Rondo, it didn't have an aux port, wheres my 5 did/does. (Don't know if Rondos come with AUX ports now, though.)
Sorry about the 60 year old comment, I just threw an arbitrary number out there! I just can't fathom the day where I would no longer enjoy driving in Zoom-Zoom fashion.
Mazda 5 - 959 (1735 for '08)
Best of luck, we hope you get a better deal (car/money) in the future
The 50 series tires on 17 inch wheels will be painful to replace cost wise. But the "Zoom-zoom" factor makes it worth it.
Never had a Mazda either, so I wanted to try out the brand. As soon as I drove the 5, that was it for the Kia. I had an 01 Hyundai Elantra before, it was fine, but it was a driving appliance, not a drivers car. It was so boring to drive, I traded for a an 01Ford Focus ZX3 and never looked back.
For us, the Mazda was the best overall combination of fun,function and value. :shades:
Thanks,
Greg
1st, 2nd and 3rd legroom dimensions:
Rondo: 41.3+38.2+31.3=110.8"
Mazda5: 40.7+35.2+30.8=106.7"
I would appreciate the 3" 2nd row difference (which is of no use for me as I have 2 rear facing car seats and the individual captain chairs' back seat reclining is more critical to me, but 0.4" extra in the 3rd row can really make a difference? :confuse:
http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_mazda_mazda5_sport-specs/
http://autos.yahoo.com/kia_rondo_ex-specs/
3 kids + 2 parents + a friend = 7 passenger car needed? :confuse:
Dad-less, just mom, 3 children plus a friend each trip?
It is just funny that the Rondo owners just want to justify the extra 7th seat "as really a plus" with any type of weird passenger combo (what about the cat?), when it is not really the case in these type of cars to be honest, just get a minivan.
The mom comment was not meant to be rude or sexist, condescending or whatever, but in my earlier post I said each kid and a friend and you came up with 6 - when I thought it was pretty clear what each kid and a friend meant - and think a lot of moms would have gotten what it meant as well. The fact that you think my taking my 3 kids, each with a friend, to a movie or a restaurant is a "weird passenger combo" is downright odd to me. Perhaps it is because your children are still in rear facing car seats. Which by the way, if my children were still in car seats the sliding doors on the 5 would be a huge plus for me.
I traded in a Honda Odyssey minivan for my Rondo. When my kids were younger, the minivan was wonderful. Now that they are capable of loading themselves into a vehicle, I wanted something smaller but something that still worked for the occasional (don't know where you came up with each trip?!?) times I take my kids and 1 friend each somewhere. If I didn't also really like the vehicle, I wouldn't have bought it but I do like it. ALOT. I'm sure the 5 is a fine vehicle as well, just didn't work for me.
The reply is based on the general Rondo owner replies that I've seen here on this thread, nothing else. I actually believe the former Honda Odyssey ownership and comparo you provided gives a lot of credit to the response, which should be good for undecided owners-to-be I hope.
BTW, I don't like cats, they are too sentimental
Let the bickering continue. :mad:
So to anyone considering these two cars, please go test drive them both. Spend as much time as you need in the cars and figure out what is important to you.
From my personal experience, when you have children in car seats, sliding doors are a godsend. So for some of you, that would be a plus for the 5. Alternatively, if you have 3 adolescents (as I do) or for any other reason often find yourself with a car/van full of kids, the extra seat is a plus for the Rondo.
To me, anyway, the rest of the differences are really subjective and what's a pro to one person could be a con to another. So get out there, see what's available and try them out.
Congrats on paying more for ZOOM ZOOM! Good luck with your mazda's!
Warranty means nothing if it dies at 100,001 miles. I got rid of my 91 Corolla last year with 225,000 miles on it.
I figure 25% of all Mazda 5s were sold with manual transmissions in Canada.
Mazda 5 - 1,197 units (2,072 for '08)
Mazda 5 - 1,030 (1,509 '08); YTD: 3,728 (6,567 for '08)
http://www.canada.com/family+wagons+provide+generous+space+flexibility/1703018/s- tory.html
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BUDGET
Honda Fit
Mazda5
Volkswagen Rabbit
CROSSOVER
Honda CR-V
Toyota RAV 4
Subaru Forester
MINIVAN
Toyota Sienna
Honda Odyssey
Hyundai Entourage
SEDAN
Honda Accord
Chevrolet Malibu
Mazda6
SUV
Ford Flex
Mazda CX-9
Chevrolet Traverse
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Mazda followed with three models, the Mazda5, 6 and CX-9 making the list, while Toyota and Chevrolet each had two models on the list. Nine of the 15 models are newcomers to the annually updated list.
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According to the Parents/Edmunds.com Best Family Cars research, superior handling, efficient gas mileage and easy car seat installation are all "must haves" for parent drivers. The extras that won rave reviews from parents were storage related features, including bins under seats, easy to reach compartments in the dash and cup holders in the back seats. Remote start capability and multiple electronic plugs for portable electronics also impressed the reviewers and owners of the models on the Best Family Cars list.
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Source:
http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/press/148466/article.html
BUDGET
Honda Fit
Mazda5
Volkswagen Rabbit
CROSSOVER
Honda CR-V
Toyota RAV 4
Subaru Forester "
I looked at 5 of them and choose the Rondo instead because my views are different. As a satisfied owner of an '03 CRV, the new one was the standard to beat. But it was a little dissapointing, it lost some of the nice touches, a little noisey and unattractive interior (huge Titanium colored door handles don't fit the beige interior and too many different colors/textures). The Fit is even noiser with very cheap looking fabrics, especially for a Honda. The RAV4 was OK, nothing significantly good or bad, not the best interior design or engine/trans choices. The Forester was really noisey and rough riding with a very bland interior. The M5 didn't meet our specific cargo needs and the second row buckets just can't handle a 55 lb dog. Someone elses inputs are useful but never the final answer.
Highs: Ride, quietness, powertrain, access, versatility, controls, available third-row seat.
Lows: Unsupportive seat, no telescoping steering wheel, suspension noise.
2009 Mazda5 Touring 4-cyl. Overall Test Score: 86
Highs: Agility, ride, access, visibility, seats six, controls, value.
Lows: Reserve power, road noise, no ESC.
Wagons and hatchbacks, highest test score: 86
Wagons and hatchbacks, lowest test score: 49
Sources:
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/ConsumerReportsSnapshot.aspx?year=2009&make=Ki- a&model=Rondo
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/ConsumerReportsSnapshot.aspx?year=2009&make=Ma- zda&model=Mazda5
I wish an explanation was given why 76vs86.