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It's just a nice old used car. It's not a classic and isn't ever going to be one. Let's face it.
By all means he should clean it up. As it sits, if it's truly as filthy as stated, she'd be lucky to get $1000 for it.
Your price is fair, and would probably be the only offer. Just not a car many want today, but I can see your eyes dancing at the thought of a new hooptie :shades:
(last week I blew the doors off a Charger RT Heh)
Any clues on value now verses with the 390?
1. these are not high dollar cars even perfectly restored to like new condition---maybe $25,000 would buy you a fabulous '64 hardtop Bird.
2. while an original car would be worth more than yours, I don't think the difference in value would justify the expense of reverting back. Your car, if it has a decent body and interior, is worth what you have in it, so really by spending another $10K to find, rebuild and install an original engine, what have you gained? Nada.
3. car collectors are far more tolerant of "upgrades" than they were years ago---people like to drive and enjoy their "classics", so unless you've chopped up an extremely rare and valuable car, you haven't done much harm to the market value---some, but not much.
I think you should look at what you have now as a "resto-rod" or "pro touring" or whatever they're calling mildly modified old cars these days.
It's possible, if you did a very nice job and if you have desirable upgrades on a "classic" that really improve fuel mileage, performance and handling, that you might even match or exceed the value of an original. It depends on how far you go with the mods and how tasteful and useful they are.
I mean, things like modern fuel-injection, efficient AC, good fuel economy, radial tires, etc---these make an old car much more fun to drive.
I wonder what it would take to add FI to that engine. My first car had a 390/4bbl, and that thing made me hate carbs.
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Two door taxi?
Given the stripper interior and 4 cylinder motor and parts inconvenience, if not hassle, I'd have to guess that around $3500 is all the money here.
If it were a 6 cylinder with MB Tex and automatic, and a U.S. model, it'd be worth more.
I have an opportunity to buy 1974 Plymouth Grand Fury 2 doors in medium condition (little rust, 2 cracks in a dashboard, teared seat, old faded 2nd paint coat but strait solid body, 400 big block sound and run very smooth) but I have no idea how much is fair price for Grand Fury coupe, because I cant find anything to compare. Looks like 2 door Grand Fury is very rare car or I don't know how or where to search. Can anyone help me please?
If you can pick it up cheap and restoration costs are not too excessive, you can come out all right on this car, but I would set a maximum budget of around $10,000, because after that point, you may no longer break even on it.
What are they asking for it?
From your description, I would grade the car on the well-known Collector Car Condition Category as a Number 4 car (on a scale of 1 to 6, 1 being a show car, and 6 being a parts car)
This "grade" may help you if you find any price guides online that cover this car.
However, a post 1971 car can be a nice "entry-level" car for someone starting out in the old car hobby. The trick is to buy as nice an example as you can, because most post '71 cars are not that valuable as to justify the cost of restoration.
So what I'm saying is that it makes much more sense to buy a very clean 1974 "survivor" for $6000 than a somewhat needy one for $2000.
These cars were very poor sellers when new, partly because they debuted during the first Arab oil embargo. That was a bad time for big cars in general, but I think Mopar suffered extra hard because they introduced an all-new style that year. And they had sort of a massive, hulking look to them that made them just look like guzzlers. Personally, I love 'em though, especially the '74 Furys and the '75 Gran Furys with the quad headlights.
According to my old car book, they only made 9617 Fury Gran coupes in 1974, so it was a rare car, even when new. For the most part, these cars were popular as police cars and taxis, but sold poorly to the general public, Often the civilian models, the 4-doors at least, fell into the hands of taxi drivers as they became used cars, so for the most part the big C-body 1974-77 Fury/Gran Fury, and its sister Monaco/Royal Monaco, became rarities pretty quickly.
If you get it, post some pics. I'd love to see it!
this car has a v8 327 chevy engine inside
original transmission
original v6 engine available
new top
interior/exterior in good condition
*the v8 engine is not running
Most V-8 conversions on these cars are not done very well, so you end up with a twisted frame from all that V8 torque and a car that goes like hell in a straight line and couldn't corner or brake to save its life.
I guess what I'm saying is that "what it is worth' depends a lot on the quality of the engineering involved.
I'm thinking well under $10,000 unless the body and interior are simply stunning, and the V8 conversion is virtually invisible to the passerby.
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I did see one once with a GM V-6 and automatic, and it was nicely done---by an engineer as a hobby. But really, what's the point of that powertrain on a car of this type? Might as well get yourself a replica.
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They bought it years ago as a basket case with good intensions. They moved it up here from So. California and it's been sitting in their garage ever since. They own a restaurant,work six days a week and have come to grips with the fact they don't have time for it.
The good news....
The body is straight as can be, rust free, repainted Poppy Red some years ago. Paint has some flaws but from ten feet away, it's a knockout! Chrome factory Mustang wheels.
New interior! A reproduction black interior is installed and the car has not been driven since the
paint and interior were done. All glass and chrome looks like new.
Bad news...Not driven since 1990.
The 289 engine "appears" to have been rebuilt. It sits on an engine stand.
C4 Cruisematic sits on the floor of the garage along with the driveshaft.
All parts "appear" to be there but who knows?
All books, title etc are with the car.
This guy has no idea what it's worth and neither do I.
A recent Old Cars Price Guide shows a Condition 5 @ 3000.00
Condition 4 @ 5000.00 and a Condition 3 @ 11,000.
Now, I would drop the C4 at a local trans shop for a reseal at the least.
Assuming the worst...what do you guys think?
I will say, the car "pops" as far as it's looks!
There are just so many details that could change the value, I think.
If all what you wrote is all there is to say, meaning the underside is pristine, engine bay is detailed and ready to receive the rebuilt engine, all numbers are matching, etc. Then it sounds to me like you are about $8k away from having a $16-17k car. Sooo... $7k? If you look around and find other things that need doing, then start deducting.
that's my wild guess.
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So for a '65 Mustang that's maybe $15,000 right now.
Then you start backing up from that price, putting in plenty of "fudge-factors" for things that could go wrong.
Are you feeling lucky? Or will the rings in that engine have glued themselves with rust to the cylinder walls after 23 years? Will a re-seal really seal the transmission or it is all gunk and varnish in there?
And of course there's tires and all new brakes and brake lines (if you plan to live very long driving a single chamber master cylinder car), draining the gas tank, rebuilding the carb, new fuel pump, filter, battery.
Then the labor to install engine and transmission, or if you're going to do it, tooling up for that.
I'd say $3000 to $4000 is all the money here.
If you're lucky you'll be in it $8K total, and if you're not lucky, you'll break even.
If you PAY $8K, you could be hosed down the line.
After 20 plus years of sitting I would probably have that transmission overhauled. Those O rings and clutches have to be tired and varnished up.
I hear you on that engine. I would probably pull the plugs, squirt it full of WD 40, let it sit awhile and then put a breaker bar on the front pully and hope like hell it turns over. Tires are at least 25 years old...redlines and I figure it'll need the brakes overhauled.
I grew up with single master cylinders but a conversion would probably be smart. I hadn't thought about the gas tank. I hope it's empty!
The car comes with that engine stand, a Cherry Picker and a set of go jacks.
I'm thinking I ***might*** offer 3000.00.
I HATE basket cases and I'm usually the first one to recommend against buying one.
Oh...rust..like me, the car is from So. California and we don't know what rust is!
Were the car not a real looker I wouldn't even be thinking this way.
Thanks guys...info is about what I expected and is appreciated.
I wish it was in Marin County. I have a "buddy" there that I could probably get to go have a look at it!
If he wants anymore than 4, then I would have to dig further into those details I was talking about. Like i said, my 7 number is really assuming the best.
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" Being so rare"...Funny, I can remember when you couldn't drive three blocks without seeing three or four along with three or four VW beetles.
Do they rust in Texas?
On the plus side a mechanic from 1915 could work on 90% of a 1965 Mustang.
I told his wife that I was comfortable at 3000.00 so I should know tomorrow. I hate dealing with someone I know. I even suggested that maybe if they advertised it they could get a lot more.
I only wish I had a huge garage to put it in. As it stands I would have to leave one of our cars outside while the Mustang took up half the garage.
Yeah, I'll have to dust off my old Fox Valley Dwell Tach and volt ohm meter.
And somewhere I still have a timing light.
Funny though we usually just set the points with a feeler gauge and the timing by ear and it worked just fine. If it pinged just retard the timing a bit.
If they don't bite, it'll be no big deal.
The guy said he would take 4000.00 for it and it is well worth every nickel of that.
I looked it over more carefully and it is a VERY nice car.
Not Poppy Red but a non stock Corvette red. Not original but still nice.
Under the hood looked good and was detailed.
289 2BBL engine isn't seized and "appears" to have been overhauled at some point.
C4 Cruisematic trans looks OK but hasn't run since 1990. I would have it gone through.
Reproduction brand new interior..needs dash pad and has no radio.
Factory chrome rally Mustang wheels including the spare.
All of the parts "appear" to be there.
A great winter project for someone but just not me. Got cold feet.
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The standard one had a 2 BBL. You could get a 4BBL with I think 225 H.P.
The hot one was the high performance version with 271 HP. Mated to a four speed, that 271 was no car to mess with. I watched one whip a GTO once.
The vast majority had the 2BBL and they weren't slouches either!
Me too!
don't know if that's good or bad. probably good.
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Or you could fly out, haul everything to a shop and in a month or so, you could drive it home!
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