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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    Many would say Sweden has picked all three forms of generation poorly. Hydro and Nukes are on the Eco outs. Wind killing off eagles and bats are not so good. They make a big deal of their wind yet it is only 8% of their energy production. Nice they have excess to sell.

    I think Clean Coal supported by Obama is the best route for the USA.

    Obama has spent more than $1 billion on carbon-capture projects tied to oil fields and has pledged billions more for clean coal. Recently, the administration said it wanted to require all new coal-fired power plants to capture carbon dioxide. Four power plants in the U.S. and Canada planning to do so intend to sell their carbon waste for oil recovery.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/22/obama-oil_n_4489311.html

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2014

    Heh, could have sworn the NPR blurb I heard this morning said wind was almost 60% of Sweden's electrical production. Gotta start reading my own links lol. And not rely on my hearing before my 3rd cup of coffee.

    I guess these will wind up killing ants. (Engadget)

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,663

    The nuke stuff is even more difficult to get your head around that all the GW papers.

    Speaking of the nuke stuff, I am also confused. The radioactivity is supposed to last thousands of years and render any area unusable. But we all know that Hiroshima was nuked only about 67 years ago, and now it is a thriving city and has been for some time. And all the people seem to be doing just fine. Same with Nagasaki.

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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2014

    One of the "anti" sites I skimmed a couple of weeks ago made a big deal about the post-Hiroshima cancer studies and how they cherry picked* the data to skew the results. I think they mean the joint study that doesn't look at exposure prior to 1958. Beats me. (rerf.jp)

    *Sound familiar? B) .

  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703

    Why is it when one eagle or spotted owl get killed by a person, the Sierra and Greenpeace wackos go into a week-long tizzy (getting much help from the mainstream media, yet it seems that these giant wind turbines are killing birds by the 1000s and nobody cares...plus, wasn't it Ted Kennedy, when alive, who did not want wind turbines placed 6 MILES of the coast of Hyannisport, because it MIGHT interfere with his view while boating on his yacht (he couldn't change course by 15 degrees and simply not look?)...

    Enviro-wackos are a most hypocritical bunch...at least from what I read...

  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    @marsha7 said:
    Why is it when one eagle or spotted owl get killed by a person, the Sierra and Greenpeace wackos go into a week-long tizzy (getting much help from the mainstream media, yet it seems that these giant wind turbines are killing birds by the 1000s and nobody cares...plus, wasn't it Ted Kennedy, when alive, who did not want wind turbines placed 6 MILES of the coast of Hyannisport, because it MIGHT interfere with his view while boating on his yacht (he couldn't change course by 15 degrees and simply not look?)...

    Enviro-wackos are a most hypocritical bunch...at least from what I read...

    It is even worse than that. Obama signed a waiver giving Wind Farms a free ride on killing Eagles. All under the guise of fighting GW.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/12/11/president-obama-will-sacrifice-bald-eagles-to-fight-global-warming/

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683

    I was thinking it was RFK's son?

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,602
    edited January 2014

    @gagrice said: It is even worse than that. Obama signed a waiver giving Wind Farms a free ride on killing Eagles. All under the guise of fighting GW.

      But there is no global warming that is caused by man. 
    

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,663

    @imidazol97 said:

    Possibly 1/100th of 1%, max.

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  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    @Stever@Edmunds said:
    I was thinking it was RFK's son?

    Sen. Ted Kennedy and many residents who own coastal property from where they could see the wind turbines on a clear day oppose the project along with some environmental groups concerned about disrupting the patterns of migratory birds and the potential effect on local sea life.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/19/environment-utilities-operations-capewin-idUSN1930289620071019

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683

    Still think the whole moving parts idea is dumb.

  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    Good riddance to bad science. Maybe now we can start addressing the REAL problems mankind faces.

    The EU's reputation as a model of environmental responsibility may soon be history. The European Commission wants to forgo ambitious climate protection goals and pave the way for fracking -- jeopardizing Germany's touted energy revolution in the process. The climate between Brussels and Berlin is polluted, something European Commission officials attribute, among other things, to the "reckless" way German Chancellor Angela Merkel blocked stricter exhaust emissions during her re-election campaign to placate domestic automotive manufacturers like Daimler and BMW. This kind of blatant self-interest, officials complained at the time, is poisoning the climate.

    At the request of Commission President José Manuel Barroso, EU member states are no longer to receive specific guidelines for the development ofrenewable energy. The stated aim of increasing the share of green energy across the EU to up to 27 percent will hold. But how seriously countries tackle this project will no longer be regulated within the plan. As of 2020 at the latest -- when the current commitment to further increase the share of green energy expires -- climate protection in the EU will apparently be pursued on a voluntary basis.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/european-commission-move-away-from-climate-protection-goals-a-943664.html

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2014

    @gagrice, here's a good one for you. Even if you don't read the article (which doesn't mention AGW), be sure you click through to the photo from Big Lake that accompanies the story. :D

    "It was another notable year for all-time heat records in 2013, with six nations and three territories tying or setting records for hottest temperature on record. No nations set an all-time cold record in 2013. For comparison, five countries and two territories set all-time hottest temperature records in 2012, and the most all-time national heat records in a year was twenty nations and one territory in 2010. Since 2010, 45 nations or territories have set or tied all-time heat records, but only one nation has set an all-time cold temperature record." (wunderground.com)

  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    Weather Underground is a site that is always up on my computer. Do I believe what they post for my area? Not a chance. How do we know these temps are true and accurate. With the people recording the data being part of the political agenda. You cannot trust them. They question the 1913 Death Valley records. So why is it not reasonable to question the data we are being told today? I know their equipment in my area is sending them false data. How many thousands of sites are improperly located? As far as the Alaska data, I am sure the interior around Fairbanks has had 100+ days. 98 degrees at Fort Rich would be hot.

    That said we are having some of the strangest weather this year I can remember. The last 3 weeks it has not gone below 50 degrees at night. It has also not gone over 73 degrees during the day. Out in the sun yes it has been hot. That is not ambient temperature. Yet Weather Underground has supposedly recorded several days over 80. I just don't trust anything the NWS says. They are paid to lie to US. Anyone goes against the agenda gets drummed out.

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,663

    Not being able to tell the truth seems to be a big problem for the GW folks. They just seem to have to lie, embellish, and/or hide facts and data. I don't think many people take them seriously at this point. Once you become a convicted liar the game is over in my book.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,602

    @houdini1 said:
    Not being able to tell the truth seems to be a big problem for the GW folks. They just seem to have to lie, embellish, and/or hide facts and data.

    Sounds like many of our politicians these days. :grin

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,602

    I was watching a story about the cooling we've been having the last 10 years. And they predict a cooling cycle for something like 30 more?

    Sunspots are the main determinant of the Earth's random walk of temperatures.

    They showed the Great Lakes and how much ice there is currently.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129791
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shipping-challenges-coast-guard-clearing-iced-over-channels/

    @SteveR: has the Superior frozen? With all this GW nonsense being so wrong, you may be able to walk across it to Canada before spring this year. Or drive your Subaru across.

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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2014

    The bays "typically" freeze (and some of the bays are big). Right now the snow berms along the shore road are so high I can't see the lake. We're into tunnel vision mode. Ordinarily I can see Canada from my house. B)

    Usually we can find a snowmachine track to gain access to the beach for walking but haven't seen any this year. Anyway, the shore ice varies depending on the wind; my guess is that it varies from ~15 feet to a quarter mile. "Total" freezing happens about once a decade but the definition of frozen over isn't solid. (climate.umn.edu)

    The wolves of Isle Royale might be watching the ice - Wolf researchers keeping an eye on a potential ice bridge to Isle Royale (michiganradio.org)

    And there's this - "Even solar activity, which waxes and wanes on fairly regular 11-year cycles, has been found to play a rather minimal role in recent global warming." (discovery.com). I found the recent el Niño stories interesting, for example. (natureworldnews.com)

  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,224

    @Stever@Edmunds said:

    The wolves of Isle Royale might be watching the ice - Wolf researchers keeping an eye on a potential ice bridge to Isle Royale (michiganradio.org)

    Why don't they just kill off the last 8 and make some nice parkas to sell at the gift shop. Or stop wasting money and trap and drop some new blood into the line. Maybe they ate all the available food. I think this answers the question more than the above article.

    The ecological study of wolves on Isle Royale is the longest running large mammal predator-prey study on earth. The park celebrated the study's 50th anniversary in 2008. Research has show that all members of the Isle Royale wolf population have descended from a single female, who arrived during the late 1940s. This intense level of inbreeding has led to a 50 % loss of genetic variability within the population today. Genetic information also suggest that the island's moose population is most closely related to moose in northwestern Minnesota, perhaps challenging the long-held idea that moose swam across the lake to reach Isle Royale. Did humans bring them here?

    http://www.nps.gov/isro/naturescience/index.htm

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683

    @gagrice, I think that hands off approach is a big part of the study and lots of the biologists don't want to "interfere".

    "Tens of thousands of black brant geese now flock to the Arctic coast to munch marsh-loving vegetation growing along shorelines of thawed permafrost no longer safeguarded from saltwater storm surges by sea ice, according to new U.S. Geological Survey research announced Tuesday."

    Research: Climate change good for Arctic geese (adn.com)

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