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I have a taurus now with the 6 cylinder, which has been a very good, economical engine with great gas mileage.
I'm looking forward to buying one, but will be checking around with different dealers to get the best price.
Just out of curiosity - why has everyone changed to to Escape II and abandoned the original site?
Also - I heard rumor that there is a recall in the works due to the ignition possibly catching fire. Heard anything on this one?
http:/clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefordescapeclub and select any message then go to his Msg# 8163.
In his second paragraph he omits part of holdback it should be 3% of total MSRP + 1.25% of total invoice. Do read through www.carbuyingtips.com I found it all is extremely informative and this knowledge is power. Their price is:
Invoice-holdback + 5% of invoice profit and no other added disguised profit. But that takes real knowledge, preparation, and patience.
Soon there will be more production again and we buyers need to be ready if we want to buy fairly.
See http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefordescapeclub
Msg# 8258 Also for (igoehner) why not see how 2wd cars have managed winter for years in Minneapolis, ask around locally, there are many 2wd cars there besides Escape. 4wdMPG=2wdMPG with the V6.
So, I went with 2WD. With the XLT you get the excellent all-wheel ABS system which will be a large factor in road safety.
Thanks.
The 3.0 Duratec is a wonderful engine. Its been around for quite sometime now. Was in Europe for about 3 years before it finally made its way here to the U.S. Ford is cheapening a great design though. I have also heard of this fiberglass intake and problems with it already.
I too will be in the market in the next 6 months for a small SUV. Time for the truck to go, not family friendly. I had my mind set on the Escape, but these horror stories are starting to sway me to a RAV4 or CRV...
boomer18
www.edmunds.com/edweb/holdback_list.html?id=hpholdback1 (since it wordwraps here you must type the end as hpholdback1) Note the chart at the bottom shows that the better 70% of Ford dealers get the 1.25% according to Edmunds data.
Thanks for your very helpful contribution, (ptmccain) I learned a lot from you and
www.carbuyingtips.com that you recommended!
Before you go visit the Finance manager do some real preparation by reading through ptmccain's
www.carbuyingtips.com with some sharp male friends and take at least two of them with you. I think this dealer probably got more than enough from you
so there is no reason for you to pay more for their "honest mistake" They probably only want you to initial their change of the finance papers so they can charge you even more. Demand they first send you a clear complete copy of the papers so you and your advisor can "look it over" before you initial anything! Do your preparation! Do take strong friends! This manager may have to "eat it." It's stronger psycology for you to leave your Escape in your garage if you go. Believe me they don't want to send you those copies first although they certainly can! Make that a condition.
Dealers here on Edmunds (some, not all) HATE www.carbuyingtips.com which is, to me, the best advertising the site could get.
Thanks for your clarification re. Holdback. The Blue Oval holdback is new since I bought my Escape. I called Ford and they told me that Blue Oval dealerships would not be up and running until 2001. Smaller dealers are really upset about it, since the Blue Oval dealers will be able to beat them every time given the additional holdback.
The key for me to successful purchase of my Escape was doing ALL my homework via the Internet so that when I finally started to price shop I knew what I wanted and didn't have to waste the dealer's time.
I faxed ten dealers here in St. Louis with my best offer and then three were willing to deal and I went with the best price I could find, which turned out to be $300 under invoice, via factory order.
Good luck, all!
And, remember, the best place to go on the Internet is:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com
I even was accused by one dealer of working for the site!
LOL!
I am planning on trading in my Ford Taurus. According to everything I have read, it is suggested that I should get the best price on the vehicle first, then talk about my trade in.
Would it be in my best interest to fax the local dealers and get my best price first, then go in and, armed with the best price, and talk trade?
Is this something that the local dealers would frown on, and possibly up the price of the new vehicle, or is this an acceptable practice?
My Ford Crown Victoria went 178,000 miles and eleven years in lots of hard driving. I maintained it and had only normal wear and tear. No major components failed.
My Ford Taurus went 160,000 and was an excellent vehicle. No major mech problems.
My Ford Tempo which I expected to be a dog of a car has lasted and lasted. The only reason I am selling it is because I have to have a larger vehicle.
Fords have performed well for me, sorry that they haven't for Mr. Pessimism.
I would NOT get the Honda. It is less roomy than the Escape and underpowered.
Ditto for RAV4 -- less roomy.
Ford is catching hell for the problems with the first year of Escape/Tribute. Prices are high right now but give it about another 6-9months and prices will drop as inventories rise around the country. The Escape is a winner as far as room, comfort, performance and style. Ford should have just waited another 6 months for release and taken its time in releasing it to the public, made sure all the bugs were out. I'm waiting patiently.......
CRV is less roomy and has less power. I am a 6'3" person and appreciate the Escape's interior room -- which for the front seat driver is, in terms of leg and head room, even a bit more than Explorer!
To my knowledge, not a single steering wheel or rear axle ever fell off an Escape or Tribute. A problem was discovered that, under certain conditions, one of those events COULD happen. However, I haven't heard of a single incident where the "event" took place. It is better that the manufacturer issue the recall to prevent the likelihood of an accident than to wait until after someone has had an accident to address the issue or ignoring it and hoping that the circumstances that could cause the problem never occur (ala Mistubishi).
Just my $.02
I would appreciate if you could give me some more specific info on your order of the escape. I'm in st. louis also and looking at escapes and tributes. My email is rman222@earthlink.net
thanks in advance,
Joe H
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There is no reason your Esape should be getting only 9 miles per gallon! Something is definitely wrong with it.
Many new Escape owners over on Yahoo's Escape Club get 20-25 mpg on their first or second tank of gas.
Go get that Escape checked, or, stop driving everywhere in second gear!
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Autobytel.com was cheaper by about $200, but I still ordered locally. Same reason as above.
Sure I wish there were features that are not included, but for the money, I think this is a tremendous value compared to the in-class competition.
I had to go over to St. Joe, Missouri over the weekend and was able to visit the Ford Assembly Plant in Claycomo, Missouri, a little town Northeast of Kansas City and Southeast of St. Joe.
What a sight!
This is one huge plant!
They make the F-150 and the Ford Escape and the Mazda Tributes.
I saw literally hundreds and hundreds of Escapes on every parking lot/storage area, with a lot of F-150s, not nearly as many Tributes.
Now why can't they get MINE to me?
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The last tank which included a 160 mile highway trip yeilded me 14.7 mpg. This is not much better than Expedition, with 5.4 engine and twice as good a ride and hauling capabilities got.
The worst part for me is I can't afford to take another beating for a while so I'll have to stick it out.
It has only got 950 miles but I can't imagine it ever getting what I was told it would.
Other than that it's a pretty nice little vehicle.
Would like to add we drive it in the D position and unless somebody,at the plant, screwed up this is not 2nd gear.