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Kelly-Springfield is a division of -- yep, you're right on the money -- Goodyear Tire and Rubber.
I quit searching around after a minute so I don't know if the brands still line up that way. :shades:
Steve, Host
I went against the contemporary movement to larger wheels. Since we were replacing wheels anyway, I could have upgraded to 16" wheels and gotten a lot wider tread, too; but when I compared weights, I finally realized that up-sizing has a real weight penalty. As a former bicycle rider, I've never forgotten the rule of thumb that weight at the wheel rim affects acceleration much more than weight on the frame - that old centrifugal force issue. So we stuck with 15" wheels. That will give us the best protection on badly surfaced roads, too.
Thanks Connor!
BF Goodrich is owned by Michelin; Continental bought Barum (?) tires in the country formerly known as East Germany. I suspect those brands are more the conglomerate approach.
Who manufactures Dayton? Bridgeston? They even include some Bridgestone branded technology (Uni Q?) in their promotional materials?
You can look up the factory where your tires were made with the DOT code on the tires.
Steve, Host
And to my absolute surprise, I was at my Honda Service Center for something unrelated and while waitng was talking to a service center guy. After he tried to sell my the symmetry's I said I was looking at GYs or Yokohama's and he told me he could special order any tire and would match the Tire Rack in price.
Costco, has a different approach. And this could be why the WalMart guy was always able to beat Costco.
It is ONE single price that includes everything, vavle stems, balancing, and all that other typical add-on stuff. Plus they will give you "free rotations" and service oriented things.
I am not one who will go out of my way to get the tires rotated. My tires get rotated because i am there for an oil change or other service issue. So those special perks really never do anything for me.
Goodyear Rolls Out "Quiet" Eagles (Inside Line)
Steve, Host
In that period of time I have chased after the Holy Grail of "good tires" only to be disappointed time after time. I have tried, afermarket, Falken Ziex 512's based on Consumer Report's recommendation; several sets of Bridgestone 950's based on Tire Rack recommendations; some Dunlop Sport A-2's; some Kumho 716's and Solus; and BF Goodrich T/A's and Traction T/A's (in both H and V ratings). This list may not be complete! And it doesn't include the many "factory stock" tires my cars came with.
I have discovered that, contrary to many, many Tire Rack customer reviews and ratings, OEM tires are NOT the dogs they are said to be. Goodyear LS tires on a VW Golf/PT Cruiser are GREAT tires. GY Integrity on a Dodge Caravan really got me through some Tahoe snow, despite their awful Tire Rack ratings, and drive quiet and handle well. Dunlop Sport A2's, despite great online ratings, handled no better than Goodyear's in the mountains, but squealed on gentle curves and in parking ramps. Kumho HP4 716's were quieter, but handled no better than GY LS's; their replacement, the Solus KH16, had a quick turn-in, but were noisier and harder riding. Continental Touring tires are quiet, smooth, and turn and handle well, despite bad online remarks.
In fact, the only two times I REALLY improved my performance were replacing Goodyear GA tires on a Neon (they didn't handle very well) and when I replaced the RSA tires on my Focus ZX3 with Kumho KH16's - but the RSA's were fine - the Kumho's just had sharper reflexes.
So I am shutting down my quest for the Holy Grail of tires. OEM on the cars I buy is quite good, not worth the cost of incremental improvements.
What tire would I buy in the future? Falken Ziex 512's - they are everything Consumer Reports says they are, a performance all season tire at the bargain price. Bridgestone 950's are actually not as good - the Falkens are smoother and quieter. Also, if I had a nice handling set up, I would consider the Kumho KH716 Solus - they have quicker steering responses, but are noiser and harder riding than the Falken's.
All in all, I now trust the Consumer Report ratings much more than the Tire Rack customer reviews.
All in all, while there are differences in tire performance (the CR tests show that too), I think most of us won't notice under ordinary driving conditions.
Sir Knight...do you know the secret of the Holy Grail of good tires?
"The tire and the road are one."
Of course, finding the Holy Grail of anything is never easy. Keep looking...may save the rest of us some money.
I had my 2005 Toyota Sienna LE Mini Van in the shop for service. The service report said the tire pressure was 32ppsi. The manual says it should be 35 so I called service manager and asked him why they were set at 32, and shouldn't they be set at 35? He said 32 was right since 35 will be the pressure when they're warmed up and on the road.
Now everything I've read has said the recommended pressure listed is the pressure when the tires are cold. Therefore, my tires are underinflated at 32, right? How would the service manager at Toyota not know this?
Try these:
1) Service Manager: "I don't care what I say, I just want to get this guy to hang up and not call back."
2) Service Manager: "If I admit we screwed up, then we'll have to fix a bunch a stuff for free later."
3) The Service Manager just has this one wrong.
and last, but not least:
3) The Service Manager is good at managing the service people and the service department, but doesn't need to know (or care to know) how all this stuff works.
BTW, are you sure you didn't talk to a Service Writer? I am told, Service Managers like to hire Service Writers who don't know how to do repairs, so what the SW writes is just what the customer said, not what the SW thinks is wrong.
Hope this helps.
Would anyone please recommend replacement tires for me, preferably popular brands because we don't have too many choices in Canada.
I have read about Firestone Destination LE (about Can.$175 each), 60,000M, quiet and soft ride but slightly uneconomical on gas.
Incidentally, is it alright to change the tire size to 235/65/16 or will that cause some harmful effect.
Thanks very much.
Hopefully your dealer didn't make the bonehead move my Honda dealer made recently when they lowered the air pressure while the tires were hot. This gave me a cold reading of 28psi and was easy to figure while driving as it felt like I was riding on four future flats.
No, it's not alright!! That would be going down in load carrying capacity and overloaded tire failures can sometimes have tragic results.
To get a handle on sizes when you change, there are size comparison calculators on most of the online tire companies websites. Link:
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Last, there are a whole bunch more options if you stay with the 235/70 rather than going to a 65 series tire. My recommendation would be Yokohama Geolander HT-S or Michelin Cross Terrain. Hankook makes the RH03 which could be less costly, but I haven't talked with anyone that has owned them.
Good luck
When I bought the car, the tires were fine and they still have a good deal of tread on them. However, I noticed about a week ago that one of the tires is now making the thumping sound. What causes this? I try to take as good care of the tires as possible. I rotate them every 5K miles, and I keep them inflated properly by checking the pressure once a week. I hate repalcing tires with good tread, but I don't know if can handle the stupid thimping sound. It drives me nuts! You can bet when I do replace them I will do so with another brand.
I don't condemn BG Goodrich - just bad luck. But since my luck and BF Goodrich don't blend well, I'll stay away from them just to be safe.
On the other hand I have had great luck with Goodyear tires.
So what's my point? With hundreds of thousands of customers, and an internet where people can complain and isolated incidents get blown out of proportion, it's unfair to blast a company - Consumer Reports tabulates complaints and incidents, and sometimes statistical patterns emerge and sometimes they don't - in the short run I should stay away from BF Goodrich and you should stay away from Goodyear, but it doesn't mean we wouldn't be perfectly happy with the brand that has been bad luck for the other.
From Consumer Reports, May 2006:
In winter conditions, we tested our [rear wheel drive, European sedan] with its original Continental [summer only] tires and also with Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires in acceleration and braking. With winter tires the [rear wheel drive, European sedan] took 123 feet to accelerate from 5 to 20 mph, and just over 44 feet to brake from 20 to 0 mph. With the summer tires the [rear wheel drive, European sedan] struggled to crawl up to speed. It took 223 feet to accelerate and 81 feet to stop.
From the web links, found 2 tires available here:
Goodyear Fortera silent armor 104T OWL US$160 Discount Tire (Can.$199-25, in Calgary)
Firestone Destination LE US$81 TireRack
(Can.$175 in Calgary).
Since both have very many good reviews by vehicle owners, I would go for the Goodyear tires. Just a little puzzled by the huge difference in prices in the US.
Thanks again.
So I have two questions: can anyone recommend a better (cheaper) way to purchase tires, other than our local dealers (Just Tires, Firestone, GoodYear, Sears, etc.)? How detrimental would changing the aspect ratio be (to say a 60 or 65)? In checking Just Tires site, for example, the difference in price between 195/55/15s and and 195/65/15s is pretty alarming (like 40% lower, plus a choice of 4 versus 14 varieties, for the latter). Am I to assume this will cause a ~20% error in the speedometer calibration, among other potential problems?
For the record, we're in Chicago, so something 'all-season' would be best. We really don't get that much snow any more, and it's pretty flat here, so nothing too serious.
Get them installed at a Walmart - much cheaper than any Tirerack "approved" installer I have ever used (about $12 per wheel vs. $20 or more per wheel).
Didn't realize I'd have clearance issues with the 65-series, thanks for the tip. That makes sense, especially since Proteges used to ride on 14" tires, and the body didn't change any from 01-02 when they made the change.
Any recommendations on brand or variety? I saw some Kumis, I think, on tirerack for like $58 each, they looked OK. Anyone have an opinion of Dunlops, in general?
I got some Toyo TPT's on good luck with Toyo Proxes T1S's, but as you know the Proxes are MAX ULTRA HIGH PERFORMANCE and I have yet to put on the TPT's, since the GY LS-H 's look good to go to 100-130k miles. I might just change them out just because I am curios about the TPT's. I also have heard good things on the ASX Kumho's, but other than a very short test drive (nice tires by the way) they are known not to wear too long.
I have 185/70/14 S (less than H rated) Dunlops SP 20FE's on a Honda Civic and believe me their 31/32 rating is well earned?!!! In their case, thank God for Firestone's, which have a strangle hold on last place!!
So to solve your size and immediate problem the Sumitomo HTR's would be one of my choices given your 195/55/15 universe. This is in consideration of price, need for all seasons. I would also have the ASX's on my choice list, but given your price points it would seem the Sumitomos come closer to them.
I have a 2001 Ford Taurus SES w/almost 109,000 miles. I just bought about 2,000 miles ago some Bridgestone Turanza LS-T tires! I LOVE THEM! Smooth, reasonably quiet, awesome wet traction and wet braking, great handling, and 80,000 mile rating! I bought them OTD with lifetime rotation, lifetime balancing, free flat repairs, and tire replacement program just $490. I also got a FREE XM Satellite Radio tuner for the car ($79 value)!
The tires' true colors shined after about 1,000 miles. I love them and I recommend them!
- Alex
Wal-Mart has the BF Goodrich Traction T/A V for $88.82 each. If you go to Sears, they would do it for $79.94 each. But, you have to go to a Sears in a town that has Wal-Mart also, it HAS TO BE LOCAL. Stores are very nitpicky on price match, so it may or may not be worth it to you.
Just know that they will pricematch, but if it fails, Wal-Mart has the tires for $88.82 each, so you are looking at $394.32 including protection plan and w/o tax.
Another option is go to a ma/pa shop and they can order you some off-brand or Cooper labeled tire and would be a little cheaper, but Wal-Mart is generally more convenient and open on Sundays.
Good Luck!
- Alex
P.S. The tires above are 60,000 mile and rate well!
Thanks
Dwray47
It's me again. I checked out Discount Tire Co. and see there are NUMEROUS stores in the Chicago area. Here are two prices I got for you:
(1) Hankook 45,000 mile V-rated tire: $318.12 tax and all
(2) Yokohama 70,000 mile H-rated tire: $445.92 tax and all
** Includes FREE ROTATION, LIFETIME BALANCING
Tire replacement is $10-$11 each depending on tire.
How about that?
- Alex
www.discounttire.com
I have narrowed my choices down to the Kumho AS 795's and the Bridgestone LS-T's. I have a set of the 795's on my Tercel (which now belongs to my daughter) and I am very happy with these tires. The vast majority of customer reviews for both of these tires on the Tire Rack's web site are good so I don't think I'd be disappointed with either. However, I'm wondering if the Bridgestones are worth the higher price. The LS-T's can currently be had for $55.50 each (including a $50 rebate for a set of four), but they normally sell for $68. The 795's sell for only $36. The only real difference is the Kumho's are a 70K mile tire, whereas the Bridgestones are an 80K tire. Would it be worth spending the extra $76 (if purchased while the rebate is still offered) or $88 for the Bridgestones to get the extra 10K mileage rating? I know Bridgestone makes excellent tires, I just don't know if they're better than the Kumhos, or at least better enough to justify the difference in price.
A lot of tire dealerships will say $100 a tire. Then say the price includes FREE mounting, balancing and valve stems. Which makes comparison/price matching shopping difficulty.