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Acura MDX (pre-2007)

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  • guy44guy44 Member Posts: 67
    I'm on two waiting lists for the Honda Pilot. I previously had ordered a MDX (last year) and loved it when it came in but wouldn't give the dealer the satisfaction of screwing me on my trade in (ML 320). Previously they had told me that that my MDX was going to be in on a certain month and then subsequently told me that it would be in the next month and the next. Well it came in three months after the date they told me and they offered me $3000 less on my trade then the trade value they quoted me on the original delvery date. I told them to keep their MDX.

    Since they're the only MDX dealer local to me (NH) I've decided to check out a high end Pilot. From what I've read, it's a little larger inside then the MDX and has the same engine. I expect to pay MSRP and heard the price will range from $26K to $34K. I don't expect there to be a huge amount of difference between the two vehicles and was curious what the MDX owners thought of me going for the Pilot.
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    My opinion is you will be disapointed with the Pilot if you were looking at the MDX.

    While I have not been able to see one in person, I have seen a lot of pictures of both the inside and outside of the Pilot. Here are my impressions.

    First, regarding exterior looks instead of looking like the Honda version of the MDX, it looks much more like a CRV on steroids. It really does not look much like the MDX.

    Interior, the panel layout is nothing like the MDX. The gear shift is on the panel and the other controls look nothing like the MDX. It is much more spartan looking than the MDX.

    While I think the Pilot will be a great vehicle, I think after spending time in an MDX it would be hard to go to the Pilot.

    Just my $.02....Good Luck.

    MIKEinTN
  • guy44guy44 Member Posts: 67
    Mikeintn,

    Thanks for your feedback. I definitely concur with your first statement about the exterior. I was disappointed by the Pilot's looks. It certainly doesn't grab me. I guess I'm hoping that I can get most everything the MDX has (Honda quality and build) for less money and less hassles from my arrogant Acura dealer. My current vehicle (ML 320) is hardly luxurious inside so maybe I won't notice any drop off. I guess I owe myself one more test drive of the MDX before I commit either way.
  • low_ball_88low_ball_88 Member Posts: 171
    Guys, Calm down. We are looking at test vehicle numbers for both acceleration and cargo volume between the X5 and MDX. Numbers are misleading. You have to test drive and sit in both vehicle before actually knowing the differences.

    The X5 clearly accelerates much better than the MDX even though they both go 0-60 in 8.1 sec.

    When sitting in the X5 and looking into the cargo area in the back compared to the MDX, I do not feel a great difference of 13 CF. So utility comparison is unnoticeable.

    As for the sunroof and and leather seats. I have to say you will pay a little more for the X5 versus the MDX (full loaded), but I think if you are looking for a vehicle between $45-$50K. X5 performs much better in both handling and acceleration which a major influence for me in purchasing a vehicle. I do not like dull vehicles. Other SUV options are such as ML500 is too pricey for SUV. Rather spend the money on a sports/luxury sedan.

    I guess I feel this way is because I have always drive sports sedan with good acceleration and handleing performance and paying MSRP for an MDX does make the decision not to buy it. If it was selling say $500 above invoice then maybe since it is a good value (I have never passed up a good value, i.e., my username is low_ball) even performance is lacking.

    I will test drive other sport SUV's that are coming out before I buy.

    Thanks for all your comments.
  • leokadia1leokadia1 Member Posts: 94
    I been a Honda man since my first Honda Accord LX I purchased in 1990. I have a 1995 EX with over 124,000 and a 1997 CRV with 135,000. My son drives a 2000 S2000 which he paid over MSRP.
    Low Ball went you fine an Acura Dealer that will sell you a 2002 MDX for $500.00 over invoice, please let me know. I will be on the first flight out of Newark NJ to that dealer!!!!!!
    Low Ball even way back in 1990 I paid $200.00 over cost for the Accord.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    If the X5's cargo room works for you, then it should not be a problem. It is quite a bit lower than the MDX's, including useable area (either behind the 2nd row or with the 2nd row folded down).

    "Other SUV options are such as ML500 is too pricey for SUV. Rather spend the money on a sports/luxury sedan."

    If the X5 you're looking at is $45k-$50k as you say (depends how you option it out), you might be surprised. The ML500 with a very high level of equipment (Bose, bi-xenons, memory seats, and comes with nav standard) lists right at $50k. It can get pricier if you buy the sport package for it and/or add on the third-row seat option. But the discounts on the vehicle are usually pretty good around the country. Doesn't have the great styling of the X5, but it'll blow the doors off
    the X5 when it comes to acceleration. And it's more of a true SUV than the X5 (and the MDX, for that matter). When you tack on the sport package to the X5, its bad-weather capability goes down because of the tires. Though probably not a problem if you live in a temperate climate.

    Good luck!
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    This AM I called my local dealer where I got my TL and asked about an MDX. My salesman told me about a surprise allocation of 6. Had one on the ground in MB, Premium, roof rack, gold package, visor, wood knob, rear muds. Really not wanting the "stuff". Price with the "stuff" was $35,999.
    I also found and unsold white touring at another dealer in Arkansas and was immediately offered $500 discount (bad color?) 300 miles some demo drives. So I have a 02 Odyssey EX cloth and buy and sell alot. Anyhow, I was going to buy premium and sell privately but for the heck of it asked for a trade bid on the Honda. Was concerned about prices falling since some are finding Odyssey discounts. But anyhow, told the dealer I would give him $10,000 plus my 02 EX Odyssey! This must have been a close deal since lots of dragging but it did happen. Now, this was what they called an unexpected allocation but they had to have discounted the new one to make the deal.
    A $26,000 trade allowance on the 02 odyssey on the MDX with those options looked good to me.
    Odyssey was of course perfect and not readily available. Worth it to me. Nice ride.
    Too bad my wife is biggest user!
    INKY4 previous inky but somehow lost password.
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    Hey, congratulations on the MDX. You are going to love it. I've had mine for two weeks and they are fabulous.

    Good job on the trade. That is one thing I have found that Acura dealers ususally don't budge much on the price of the MDX but they are very compeditive on the trades. My acura dealer stuck on MSRP, but gave me $4000 more on my trade than the Chevy or Jeep dealers were wanting to do. I am not sure if they padded the trade with discounts on the MDX or actually wanted my trade.

    Either way we got great deals and you will be more pleased with the MDX than any other vehicle you could drive. They are outstanding.

    MIKEinTN
  • jdfoleyjdfoley Member Posts: 1
    Currently in the market for a new SUV w/3rd row seat. Have driven both the MDX and a '99 Land Cruiser with 55k miles in fairly good condition. Looking for opinions between the two. The LC may be in a different class here but I guess I'm having trouble looking at these two vehicles at the same price, around 38K. New vs. used, etc. Thanks.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Hey, congratulations on your new MDX. I know you've been interested in it for a while. How long do you plan to keep your MDX?
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The local dealer has several on the lot...three 2001's with 10K plus on them. A couple new base models too. This guy wants more than MSRP, and adds a lot of extras. However it is a sign that the tides are turning.
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Hi, this is a keeper. Just like the TL lots of value and not overly expensive. One of my objectives was to cash out of my Odyssey which was paid for. At a local credit union I got a promotional rate of 5.19% for 72 months. This was a short window of opportunity and timing was right for me. I have better plans for my cash.
    Anyhow anyone
    know the links for good prices acura parts and accessories.
    INKY4
  • charlieinnjcharlieinnj Member Posts: 13
    For the best prices on Acura accessories, contact Tim @ HONDACURAWORLD.COM.

    He's the best!
  • a2esqa2esq Member Posts: 26
    I can't understand the concerns about the MDX's acceleration. Granted, it may not feel as fast or as sporty as an X5 (some vehicles just FEEL faster than others despite identical numbers) but the reports indicate it actually is just as fast as the X5 and faster than 80-90% of SUVs. If you were just disappointed that the MDX did not FEEL as sporty then I understand. Just don't cite on ramp acceleration as a concern like it's a safety issue! If the MDX is not adequate in your view for that purpose then you certainly need to change your driving habits. The other possibility is that something was wrong with your test vehicle b/c the rest of the MDXs do not perform in this manner.
  • mhenderson1mhenderson1 Member Posts: 164
    Has anyone noticed any used MDX's on dealer lots, and if so what is the price range? If I can't get a new oneat a decent price, maybe I'll settle for a used one with low mileage.

    Also has anyone upgraded their tires to a larger tire or wheel on the MDX. I mean not to the point where it looks like a dune buggy, but only where the tire is even with the edge of the wheel well and not poking out.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    My truck is due in mid-late april...45 day online note! I tell you, online is the way to go. Bought my car over the phone. Loan online. I know it brings the dealers cost down even more, but it makes my life so much easier. Going for the few test drives with some (not all) of the slick car salesmen was bad enough...Sitting in their office trying to bargain even worse. I called up, told them I would pay MSRP, now I just have to show up, pay for it, and drive away!
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Since 1 jan 12,711 MDX have been made
    Same period last year 10,700 were made.
    this is why so many mystery allocations.
    since I was offered a $500 discount on a white one Monday. I wonder. Is white that bad or are prices soon to come down.
    INKY
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Worth it. Look Ok?
    INKY
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    It is good that production is up by 20%, but I think the demand is still pretty high. I don't remember where, but I recently saw SUV sales numbers for January and I notice the MDX was over 2000 units. That is about two months production, so demand still is outpacing supply.

    I think once the Honda plant in Huntsville, Alabama comes on line it will take some of the strain off of the Canada plant. The Huntsville plant will not make MDXs, but Odyssey, freeing up space for the Canada plant to make more MDXs. I think Acura/Honda likes building vehicles where the demand is more than supply, unlike GM/Jeep/Dodge/Ford where they have to resort to deep discounts to get the customers. Frankly, I don't want to see the number of MDXs on the road as Exploders, Jeeps, TrailBlazers, and Tahoes. I prefer to see only a few MDXs out there, so we retain some of the uniqueness of owning them.

    I doubt you'll see prices get to where you see much pricing below MSRP, although you will probably see the premiums above MSRP start to disapate. I've seen many postings on here and other sites where people, including myself, have paid MSRP.

    Good post.

    MIKEinTN
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    My order for a 2002 Base MDX was placed yesterday and I intentionally opted for the White exterior color (with tan interior). I've only seen one White MDX so far, but I thought that it looked very sharp (more "sporty" than some of the other more elegant colors). Is there a general consensus that white is a "bad" color for the MDX? I might still have time to change my order. Please let me know what you think ASAP.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The message above has a link to some pages that include pictures of a white MDX with body side moldings. If you have a different color MDX, let me know and I can probably dig up photos of that color with body side moldings.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Regarding used MDX's, I doubt if you'll find good values at this point. According to www.kbb.com, initial values on used 2001 MDX's is quite high, probably reflecting the intense initial demand. No doubt those retained value percentages will decline at a sharper rate once supply begins catching up, and MDX improvements are made. But now may not be a good time.

    I've seen plenty of photos of MDX's with 18", 19", and even 20" wheels. Obviously you have to get new wheels. The folks who are really into fancy wheels often complain that the MDX needs larger ones (than the 17" ones it already has).
  • charlieinnjcharlieinnj Member Posts: 13
    I hope that wmquan's link helped you in your decision. I'll tell ya that I am the proud owner of a 2002 White MDX and I wouldn't want any other color. I think it looks awesome! I don't think that any color is "bad" but I believe that colors 'black' and 'white' do have a perception of being harder to keep clean. Personally, I am on my third 'white' vehicle and I think white is the easiest color when it comes to showing dirt or not. JMHO.......
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    "thank you!" to wmquan for the link (with photo) and to charlieinnj for the personal opinion. I think I'll stick with my selection of White/Saddle. I agree with charlieinnj that white is the easiest color. It looks great when it's clean and O.K. when it's not clean (unlike some colors that look terrible when they're not clean). It also makes the MDX look a little more sporty IMHO. I had always heard that White cars traditionally hold their value better than any other color. That's why I was surprised to read the review above that seemed to suggest that White might be a "bad" color for the MDX. Thanks again for the comments.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    And, hopefully for the sake of the American auto industry, it won't be too long before what is not fully thinkable today occurs. That the American car makers produce a broad range of fairly expensive vehicles people would be willing to pay extra for, with top-notch safety (reflected by manufacturer commitment, features, and test results), reliability/quality, and features. It's sad that this would be a shock to most folks of the younger generations today, who have grown up with imports.

    But the direction of the wind can always shift, and it may yet happen. As it is, I think that vaunted Japanese quality (e.g. Toyota and Honda and their luxury marques) hasn't been as stellar as it has been in the last few years. I think they, along with other manufacturers, are taking fairly aggressive measures at cost-cutting both what is in the vehicle and what it takes to build it. Unfortunately I don't have faith in most of the current American automaker management, which has bungled one opportunity after another.

    Sadly, that rude, greedy salesperson will then be at the American car dealership, they'll just move over from the Acura shop!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I have not seen one in person myself, and pictures can be deceiving (especially Internet ones because of color rendition). But based on the pictures, I think the MDX executes white pretty well. I've seen white on some other SUV's and it looks pretty bad. Must have something to do with the vehicles general shape.

    I've seen some criticisms of the white MDX. "Marshmallow" was the most negative. But I've also seen a lot of positive comments about the white, just as I've seen raves on Granite Green (which has a tendency to change its color slightly depending on lighting), Redrock Pearl, and Silver. I don't see a lot of green MDX's, though.
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    This is nothing but a personal preference, but I don't like any vehicle in white. Probably had something to do with my first car being a really ugly white Chevrolet BelAire. If it had been a white MDX then I am sure my feelings would be different.

    I am now a proud owner of a Black MDX that is stunning. With a fresh coat of wax on it the black looks wonderful.

    MIKEinTN
  • will4271will4271 Member Posts: 187
    I am seeing that demand is up and people are selling below MSRP.

    Where???
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Folks, I was just asking what white looked like on the MDX. I was surprised dealer was a $500 discount to buy today and was asking me what else would it take. I was shocked. My research indicated a sellers market so on rainy nasty Monday I was unprepared for those responses.
    Again dealer claimed many extra allocations of unsold MDX's. I took MB but would still like to see how white looks. I had taffeta white on civic and was concerned that the pure white was too much. I think Acura MDX deserves pearl white. RX 300 looks great in that color.
    INKY have not seen white-so I have no real opinion.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Inky: Heh, we're not picking on you for white. The opinions on white are because another poster here (msh) is asking about it. Just thought you might want to see how the side moldings looked.

    Mesa Beige seems to be a rarer color on MDX's, at least in my area.

    MIKEinTN: Ah, I think black is always the best color for most vehicles, as long as it's clean. Get a really good wax job and it and it's stunning.
  • adchopadchop Member Posts: 8
    I'm interested in a white MDX. got a name and a number for that dealer?

    James
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Landers Acura in NW Arkansas. They called me Tuesday to say it was sold and asked me if I wanted to order another. Nice folks and straight forward.
    INKY
  • charlieinnjcharlieinnj Member Posts: 13
    JMHO, but I think the $500 off the White MDX was more as a result of the vehicle having 300 demo miles on it.

    I do remember back to the day when I walked out the dealer's door to see my white 'X for the first time and I instantly knew that I had to get the body side mouldings on it (which I did myself in about 10 minutes after ordering them from HONDACURAWORLD....). The expanse of the doors seemed SO stark without them. They are my absolute favorite upgrade that I have made to my 'X so far.
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    I'm with you brother on the black.

    Weather allowing I will be putting on my second coat of wax on the Black Beauty this weekend.

    MIKEinTN
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    Thanks a lot for the advice. I think I'll stick with my order for the White. I will probably also order the body side mouldings (as you suggested) from HONDACURAWORLD. Do the mouldings really make a difference visually? It seems that white mouldings on a white vehicle wouldn't "stand-out" much?
  • adchopadchop Member Posts: 8
    Hi everyone,
    I am currently searching the country for an unclaimed MDX. Many of the ones that are available are touring models. I'm questioning if the $2600 premium for the touring package is worth it? I personally think the MDX looks much sportier without the roof rack. The one or two times a year that you might need a rack can be done with a Thule system. Does power passenger seat, cd changer, and mirror memory really make for a better driving experience?

    James

    PS. Inky, thanks for the lead.
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    Personally, I didn't think the Touring package was worth the extra $2,600. But much of this decision depends how much you value the $2600. Keep in mind that the Touring package also gives you a very nice tire upgrade (to Michelins).
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    My wife is much shorter than I am. The memory feature for the drivers seat was enough for us. 1. it makes it nice and convenient for changing drivers and 2. much safer for a shorter driver who can have their ideal seating position everytime. The other features are nice too.
  • mikeintnmikeintn Member Posts: 39
    This was a difficult decision for me, however it was made easier that I found a Touring Edition that I liked, so I bought it.

    I was really on the fence about this, but now that I have the touring edition, I am glad I did. Here's why:

    1. I really like the Michelins and the rims, they look very good.
    2. The Bose upgrade is very good. I especially like the 6 in dash CD changer. There have been many debates about the quality of this stereo. While I am not a stereo expert, I think the sound is very good and I am very glad I have it. I spend a lot of time on the road, so the very good stereo system is worth a lot to me.
    3. Memory Seats. I am 6', my wife is 5', so the memory seats are great.
    4. Roof rack standard. I think the MDX looks better with the roof rack.
    5. Some neat features, such as the right side mirror drops down when you put the MDX in reverse, to let you see the curb when you are parking. A neat feature.

    Are any of these features worth the $2600? No way. Are they worth it in combination? Tough call, but for my money it was worth it.

    Either way you are getting a wonderful vehicle.

    MIKEinTN
  • troubldecidingtroubldeciding Member Posts: 1
    Trying to decide between a Sequoia and an MDX. Need to upgrade to something that seats more than five for the occasional carpool extras or 6 hour trips to grandmas with the 2 kids, dog and all the required stuff. My only hesitation is that we may outgrow it sooner than I'd think. Does anyone have any comments on the space issue for kids and all the gear--is there room to be comfortable?
  • rcjosephrcjoseph Member Posts: 2
    I have an MDX on order but am concerned about it's offroad capability. I fish and live near the coast in Massachusettes. I would like to be able to drive it on the beach. Currently I own a 4WD Nissan Pathfinder, with a low range of gears but I don't beleive I have ever had to use the low gear range on the beach. Has anyone had any experience driving off road in the MDX?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The MDX does have excellent cargo space, but the third row seat is tight for anyone but small adults and children. The Sequoia's third row isn't like a limo either but it has somewhat more space and more cargo room behind it. Bottom line is that the Seq is a bonafide full-sized vehicle, and it simply has more cubic feet inside.

    I think the MDX will be fine for the long trips to grandma since you'd fold down the third row and get quite a bit of cargo room (useable room, too). I've seen plenty of owners say that works well.

    However, for a carpool of more than five, or if you think you may outgrow it, you might want to err on the side of caution and look toward the Sequoia. It's a fine vehicle with different characteristics than the MDX.

    Cargo room needs are hard to predict for buyers because everyone has different needs. After all, there are families of four or five who do fine in mid-sized station wagons (or even smaller), without having to resort to an SUV or minivan. Then there are some families who need copious amounts of room.

    Good luck!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The base is probably the better dollar value because the pieces of the Touring probably don't add up to $2,600, and not all the pieces are useful to a buyer.

    That said, I wouldn't have bought an MDX without the Touring. I like the seat memory a lot. The tilt-down passenger-side mirror is great for parallel parking in a large vehicle. I think the Michelin Cross Terrains are great (though one can buy a base and upgrade).

    I concur with Mike, the MDX's CD changer is terrific. True in-dash CD changer, without having to use magazines (just slip CD's into the slot). Like most Bose auto systems, the overall sound quality isn't audiophile-quality, but it's decent enough. And I like having the CD changer right in the dash to insert CD's, without having to have it under the seat, or, like in other vehicles, hidden in the glove compartment taking up room, or hiding in the cargo area.

    Like most of its competitors, the MDX's audio system is hard / expensive to replace with a third-party system so I like the system that comes with the Touring.

    On the negative side, the MDX's roof rack isn't that great. Pain in the rear for some users, though after some time people have gotten some carriers onto it (though beware getting a tailgate deflector!). I have seen some folks remove the rack from the Touring even, it's actually not too hard to do and they put in rubber grommets or something to seal up the holes.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I have not driven one off-road, but I spend a few weeks each summer in Nantucket. I have seen MDX's out at Great Point. I don't think they could handle some of the rougher terrain, but for general beach driving they seemed capable enough. The biggest drawback looked like the tires. When aired down to 15 psi, they looked like they were riding on the rims. Smaller rims, bigger tires would probably provide a huge beach driving benefit.
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    I simply got the prem due to immediate availability. the roof rack is something like $125 from hondaacuraworld. I do think the wood shifter is mandatory for looks. Dealer told me base model is for those squeezing into their budget. A little slam there. Well, I had the $2600 but was not sure it was worth the difference anyhow (to me that is).

    I have found a blemish on bumber (indentation and rub marks on front driver side bumber) This is where you find out how good a dealer is. I took delivery in pouring rain Monday and detail was a due out. So I have good recourse on this I hope.
    Now it is an issue between sales manager and service manager. Reason is clear--who did the damage -1 transit 2 dealer prep 3 By salemen.
    Owners manual in warranty section is kind enough to say if you find paint problems bring to dealers attention ASAP which I did.
    Never buy a car in the rain! My mistake. My lesson learned. I just assumed and you know what assuming does.
    BTW went 250 miles yesterday with a 40 mph north headwind and yep that was not a good experience.
    Wanted to check fuel economy (20.3 for that journey at 65 mph).
    Does every one you Honda 5w20 oil or something else?
    INKY
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
  • adchopadchop Member Posts: 8
    We hope to make this MDX a 10 yr vehicle. Our '92 MPV 4x4 has served us well. I think we will put the $2600 towards our daughter's college fund.

    I have found a dealer in Kansas City with a few unclaimed vehicles coming in early April. He claims they are having 40 MDXs delivered in april because of their high sales volume, the largest in the midwest.

    It's MSRP plus the cost of rear mud flaps and lock nuts. He also wants to charge me 149.95 for a dealer prep fee. What's that all about? Is that mandatory for all Acuras?

    James
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    Thanks very much for the link. I think this White MDX looks great (possibly more sporty than some other colors). However, I didn't see any picture of a White MDX with attached BSMs (only saw the BSMs on the floor with the other uninstalled accessories). I would like to see a "with BSM" and "without BSM" picture. Did I miss something?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    With that link, please click on the link for page 3, and then you'll see a picture of a white MDX with the body side moldings, along with other accessories.

    Alternatively, here is a direct link to page 3:

    http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3595&perpage=15&pagenumber=3
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The dealer prep fee is NOT a standard Acura fee. It is a fee the dealer is attempting to charge.
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