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I'd wait for the 04's.
I will buy a Benz or BWW next time. The Germans know what TOTAL QUALITY means. Not PERCEIVED quality.
BETTER BUY ThAT EXTENDED WARRANTY IF YOU OWN AN MDX!!! Mine will be gone well before that's an issue!!
The automaker's HQs are in the fatherland, but I'm simply not convinced that South Carolinians (X5) or Alamabians (ML) know much more about QUALITY than the Canadians (MDX).
I hope you get a good price for your MDX!
I haven't heard too many people (even owners) associate MB and BMW with reliability.
Tim of Hondacuraworld.com asked Honda corporate to provide the numbers of MDX transmission replacements in the last few months. This is what he got back from them:
May 2002 - 4
June 2002 - 1
July 2002 - 10
August 2002 - 4
The numbers reflect both warranty claims and accidents, so the number of actual faulty transmission replacements is not as high as the above numbers.
Four months may not be enough of an example, but if one was to extrapolate 19 replacements in four months, over a two year period that yields 114 total MDX transmissions replaced (MDX has been out for 23 months, so the number should probably be less than 114). With at least 60,000 MDX's on the road, that would suggest a transmission replacement rate of 0.19% (less than a quarter of a percent). And some of those replacements are not due to warranty claims, but accidents.
Now, I realize that the numbers can be skewed throughout a year, but so far there is nothing that seems to approach the 1.6% transmission replacement rate cited in the L.A. times article (for the CL/TL, Odyssey/Accord V6 transmissions). That may suggest that the MDX's transmission thus does not have the same issues as those ill-fated transmissions.
The TL-CL problem seems far worse, in shear numbers & percentages.
1.6% is a lot, and it didn't feel like that number applied to MDX's, and as of right now, there's nothing in forums or hard numbers that disputes that. So maybe the Acura Client Services comment that sbcooke got was indeed accurate. We'll see.
Very good! I hope you don't mind if I borrow that!
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My wife and I do not drive our third car (BMW) much so I want to trade for a versatile, classy,
fun SUV. As for REAL quality, you should be happy with your MDX. All cars have issues including my M-B and BMW. My Odyssey has over 10,000 miles and no problems so far. My E430 has been to the dealer for several minor repairs but the service is excellent.
If you read any of the boards (except maybe the LS430) all cars have problems. The MDX, IMHO, is
more reliable than the X5 or ML.
The lack of HID lights as an option is disappointing. Is some sort of traction control standard?
Thanks for your opinions.
Unless your the one with the bad transmission, of course.
No sleep lost over that.
I consider myself fortunate that, based on current information, the MDX is not experiencing that same failure rate. But that's small consolation to the owners of the affected vehicles.
1) Your deposit is fully refundable if YOU decide you do not want the vehicle.
2) Even though the price is not known -- if you are willing to pay MSRP, it must state that the vehicle will be purchased at MSRP + destination.
3) And that any Acura accessories or dealer add-ons are at your option, and are not required to purchase the vehicle.
E.g. the contract (some dealers have one for deposits) should state something like "purchase price @ MSRP, options/accessories at the option of the buyer, deposit fully refundable at buyer's discretion and cancellation."
Good luck!
All indications, from reliable members of the automotive press, are that VSA will be standard. HIDs may be, but if not, there are aftermarket units that many owners have had great success with.
Color choice of Black/Saddle may still be offered, it was popular with some folks, but that was before the new for 03 Quartz interior was available.
I would be sure to check the price of the running boards from online sources such as hondaacuraworld.com before paying the dealer. There is no 'lower trim' per se, but the 'body side molding' may be available color matched for 03, although many owners have had body shops paint the grey stuff to match the factory paint.
Good Luck!
I have not been able to get the MDX to spin the tires, or even feel the VTM4 kick in. They say it engages when you accelerate, and it must, because even in the slipperiest of wet weather I can't get spin.
I imagine I will be able to feel it this winter? Pretty smooth so far. It is a very nice system.
I'm nervous enough about the third-party warranties that I'd prefer to stick with the Acura one. YMMV.
You can buy the Acura warranty from other Acura dealers, so you can shop around. However, your state may have laws restricting whether you can buy them in other states.
You can also get an extended warrranty quote over the net from the Finance & Insurance link on the main Edmunds.com page.
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1) Be highly capable off-road.
2) Be capable of carrying lots of stuff.
3) Looks great covered in mud.
4) 4x4 not AWD (means having LO, lockers and articulation.
5) Not necessarily comfortable.
6) Map and compass are just fine.
The MDX scores quite well at 2) but not good at all of the rest, verdict:
Pretender not Defender.
2. My MDX carries lots of stuff.
3. Doesn't need mud covering it to hide how ugly it is, because it looks good already.
4. AWD is better for most people who buy SUV's.
5. Why would you spend money on an uncomfortable vehicle?
6. The Nav package is great, but not needed for most people.
Verdict: Best SUV for the money, for what 90+% of the people buy them for.
Rihoops made some very good points. No one buys the MDX thinking they are going boulder-hopping. Thats what you have the 4-Runner and Jeeps for. The Defender is also very capable but highly unreliable.
The MDX satifies the needs of that 90% looking for a safe, reliable, somewhat sporty form of family transportation....and for a good price.
I considered the X5 but the '03 MDX has more power, more room and is $6,000-$7,000 less similarly equipped.
The tailgate deflector is available, but way overpriced. The above seller will, for a fee, paint them to match the vehicle, a more unique touch.
Personally, I dislike the lower trim and fender flares, but YMMV.
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/a/02/v00332.htm
More Powerful V-6 Powertrain Delivers V-8-like Performance
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Torrance, Calif. 09/18/2002 -- The 2003 Acura MDX luxury sport utility vehicle receives a number of performance improvements and additional features designed to enhance its position as the benchmark in the luxury SUV category. Engine modifications including a new free-flowing exhaust system, boost horsepower from 240 to 260. An all-new, more compact 5-speed automatic transmission is quieter, and provides even smoother shifts. Suspension and chassis refinements, the addition of Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) and a drive-by-wire throttle system derived from the system on the NSX supercar combine for a smooth ride and ultra responsive handling. Inside, the available Acura Satellite-Linked Navigation System receives several important new features, including voice recognition and a rear view camera. A DVD Entertainment System is now available as a factory-installed option.
"The MDX continues to be the most sought after luxury SUV on the market and the changes we've made for 2003 make it even more desirable," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president, auto sales. "With performance better than most V-8s, retuned suspension and the addition of VSA, the MDX's power, handling and ride quality will be tough for any SUV to match."
The 2003 MDX's 3.5 liter, 24-valve, all-aluminum, VTEC V-6 engine benefits from a retooled exhaust system that includes two close-coupled primary catalytic converters, a secondary underfloor catalytic converter, and larger diameter exhaust pipes. These refinements increase exhaust flow by 40 percent and, when combined with new integrated cylinder heads and a shorter intake manifold port, boost horsepower from 240 to 260 and torque from 242 lb-ft to 250 lb-ft. Combined with new, orifice-type fuel injectors, the new exhaust system makes the MDX the first SUV to meet stringent ULEV-2 emissions standards. With estimated city/highway ratings of 17 mpg city/23 mpg highway, it delivers better combined fuel economy than any of its luxury competitors.
To handle the increased engine power, the 2003 MDX receives an all-new, compact 5-speed automatic transmission. This new 4-shaft gearbox is 60 millimeters shorter than the previous transmission and features increased torque capacity. A unique shaft center design not only reduces size, but also reduces gear noise, clutch drag and hydraulic friction.
The 2003 MDX also features a new drive-by-wire throttle system, evolved from the drive-by-wire system in the NSX supercar that has been custom tailored to meet the unique demands of a SUV. This innovative system eliminates the need for a mechanical connection between the accelerator pedal and the engine, and controls the throttle during transmission shifts for improved smoothness. It also allows for throttle control to be incorporated into the MDX's VSA logic and controls the vehicle's cruise control function.
The 2003 MDX's standard VTM-4 four-wheel drive system has been recalibrated to improve performance, especially on low friction surfaces. Torque distribution to the rear wheels has been increased by up to 30 percent, providing a significant improvement in the MDX's prowess in snow or other slippery road conditions.
In addition to ample power, the 2003 MDX delivers sport sedan-like handling and a smooth, compliant ride. The suspension has been retuned to deliver an even smoother ride while maintaining the vehicle's precise handling. To accomplish this, rear spring rates were increased while damping rates in both the front and the rear where reduced. New rear damper valves were adopted to enable more precise control of damping throughout the suspension movement. At the same time, dynamic torsional rigidity of the body was increased 35 percent by reinforcing the rear wheel house, tailgate and rear subframe.
Handling is further enhanced through the application of a new Vehicle Stability Assist system (VSA) that works in concert with the VTM-4 and drive-by-wire throttle systems to provide enhanced control during acceleration, braking and cornering. This 4-channel system orchestrates the throttle and each of the vehicle's four disc brakes to seamlessly integrate traction control, Anti-lock braking, and stability enhancement for increased driver control during acceleration, braking and cornering.
The MDX features 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-channel ABS, dual piston calipers in the front, standard 17-inch alloy wheels and specially designed P235/65R-17 all-season tires to provide stability and responsiveness. Front and rear stabilizer bars, a wide track and a low center of gravity give the MDX predictable cornering response and help maximize cornering capabilities.
The styling of the MDX strikes a balance between muscularity and elegance. Acura's signature family grille and bright, clean headlight treatment highlight the sharply chiseled front fascia while a wide stance communicates a message of strength and stability. For 2003, the MDX is available in three new colors: Midnight Blue Pearl, Sage Brush Pearl and Sandstone Metallic. In addition, it receives redesigned alloy wheels, standard rear mudguards, auto-on/off headlights and rain sensing windshield wipers (w/touring package).
The MDX's interior emphasizes the vehicle's versatile yet refined character with standard-setting levels of luxury and functionality. For 2003 a variety of enhancements have been made to ensure that all materials and accessories reflect the highest level of craftsmanship and refinement. Three uniquely transformable rows of seats allow the MDX to comfortably seat up to seven passengers. Second and third row seats split and fold flat into the floor providing 82 cubic feet of cargo room. Even with all three rows in use, the MDX still offers 14.8 cubic feet of cargo room behind the third row seats.
The comprehensively equipped MDX comes standard with a host of luxury features, including a seven-speaker AM/FM/Cassette stereo with in-dash CD player, a multi-function digital trip computer and a synchronized climate control system. Standard safety features include dual-stage, dual-threshold driver's and front passenger front airbags. The driver's side airbag adjusts deployment force to one of two rates according to input from sensors, which monitor the severity of the impact, seatbelt usage and, new for 2003, the position of the driver's seat. Front passenger's airbag deployment takes into account the severity of the crash and the passenger's weight. The MDX also offers driver's and front passenger's side airbags with exclusive occupant position sensors in the passenger's seat; and the LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children) system on the second row of outboard seats to simplify child seat attachment.
While the MDX is already one of the most comprehensively equipped vehicles in its class, an optio
Some enhancements ...
260hp (up 20hp), ULEV-2, same MPG
Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA, Acura's stability control)
Voice-activated Navi with rear view camera
Available Rear Entertainment System
Chassis stiffness improvements, suspension adjustments
Some new colors
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For 2003, the optional Acura Navigation System gets a variety of new features and greatly enhanced capabilities including a newly developed voice recognition system, upgraded graphics and an expanded database with more than seven million points of interest. A rearview camera has been incorporated into the tailgate, which transmits a rearview picture to the navigation screen when the MDX is in reverse gear.
A new Acura DVD Entertainment System can now be ordered as a factory installed option. The DVD player mounts below the standard audio system and plays over the MDX's sound system or through a pair of cordless infrared headphones. The 7-inch LCD screen is mounted to the headliner, just behind the front seats for use by rear seat passengers. The system can be controlled either by using the MDX's audio controls or from the rear seats through the use of a remote control or the screen's control panel.
Like all Acura vehicles, the MDX comes equipped with a comprehensive 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty that includes Acura's TLC (Total Luxury Care) customer service package.
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The 2003 MDX receives a variety of substantial powertrain, styling, comfort and convenience updates. The new 260 horsepower engine and all-new transmission provide outstanding power in a state-of-the-art V-6 package. In addition, the MDX receives Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) to help enhance control during acceleration, cornering and accident avoidance maneuvers.
Enhancements for 2003 include:
Next generation engine increases horsepower from 240 to 260
All-new compact 5-speed automatic transmission
Drive-by-wire throttle
Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)
Revised suspension settings
35 percent increase in dynamic torsional body rigidity for a smoother ride
Refined steering system for enhanced feel and reduced kickback
Available Acura DVD Entertainment System with headphones and remote control
Improvements to the optional Acura Navigation System including:
o Voice recognition
o Enhanced graphics.
o Rearview camera
o Expanded US data base coverage
Dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags
Additional front airbag sensors and new system control logic
New alloy wheel design
Auto-up driver's side window with auto-reverse
Rain sensing windshield wipers (Touring Package)
Auto on/off headlights
New exterior colors:
o Midnight Blue Pearl
o Sage Brush Pearl
o Sandstone Metallic
New interior color-Quartz
Rear splash guards
The new 5-speed should at least quelch consumer fears about the auto tranny failures for the MDX.
No xenon headlamps, no side curtain airbags (even though the 2003 Accord gets them), and no large upgrade to interior materials quality (e.g. real wood). I'll bet those get added during future model years.
2002: 240 hp @ 5,300 rpm
2003: 260 hp @ 5,750 rpm
Torque
2002: 245 lbs.-ft. @ 3,000-5,000 rpm
2003: 250 lbs-ft @ 3,500-5,000 rpm
Redline
2002: 5,500 rpm
2003: 6,300 rpm
Weight
2002: 4,374 lbs
2003: 4,420 lbs
Looks like Acura added the power at the expense of SUV-ish engine capability. Engine has to rev higher to get the best oomph.
I'll bet 2003 owners will not really notice a difference in power, other than psychologically.
To be fair, they also made the engine ULEV-2, which forces some greater compromises. And there also has been no decrease in EPA fuel economy.
Yes, overall, there are some nice improvements. Some nice features like you pointed out, plus plenty of incremental enhancements (e.g. finally one-touch up/down, though just on the driver's window, which is more than enough for most folks).
I think with these changes, Acura has better differentiated the 2003 MDX from the Pilot. Just the inclusion of VSA will address an item that is appearing on more people's shopping lists.
The only thing missing before we can really pass judgement is: what's the price increase?