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I'm so concerned that I'm considering replacing my '01 LS 2WD with something from a manufacturer that ain't goin' away anytime soon.
Opinions??
2) Manufacturers are required by law to support a vehicle IIRC 7 or 10 years after it goes out of production
3) On my '88 and '91 Subaru XT6s I can get parts for it at the dealer and they only made 4000 of these units total over 3 model years. And this is >10 years after they went out of production
Not to mention the fact that very few parts need to be replaced on these vehicles til you hit the near 200K miles.
-mike
The last I remember one of the Hosts claimed any such warranty requirement is an Urban Legend. Were you able to prove your claim? (FWIW I too thought some such requirement exists but could not find one when I went searching on the net.)
On the other hand, Savvas_e reports that there is such a law in Australia (don't remember if there was a link?).
Any Daewoo owners want to add their .02 cents, LOL?
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-mike
I have no concerns about anyone's ability to get Isuzu parts in ten or twenty years, which I think was the original concern with this thread.
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The tranny is shared with the Commodore, Caddy CTS, and BMW Z3 Roadster, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Heck I was able to pick up rear rotors for $35each at pep boys so they must be a pretty common rotor.
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I agree, 'cause I said the same thing a few posts back:
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Dave
Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. You commented that the exterra is not as good on or off-road as the Trooper. Compared to the Trooper the Exterra is smaller, lighter, has a shorter wheelbase, and in stock configuration has larger wheels/tires and higher ground clearance. How could it be inferior off-road? In terms of on-road performance, the stock Trooper is no paragon of excellence with it's mushy springs/shocks, loads of body roll, and not-particularly-responsive steering. I've never driven an Exterra, and this is certainly a subjective area, but how much worse can it be than the Trooper on-road?
The Xterra does not have as sophisticated a drivetrain as the Troop, but it has other attributes that lead me to the conclusion that it is at least competent off-road. However, I never have driven either in serious off-road situations, so I defer to those with experience in that area.
Tom
Coil rear springs, AWD system, Far more luxury, more creature comforts all lead to better "on-road" performance
Offroad:
Longer wheel travel, more power, skid plates, stronger drivetrain (far bigger differentials and tranny)
The X is quite competant offroad, it's not a slouch, but I know several people who have rented bone-stock troopers in UT and taken em through some of the hardest terrain out there in Moab with an Avis rental!!!
I've seen a few X-terras on the trail and a few with broken rear diffys.
The Trooper has the equivilent of almost a Dana60 (and I'm sure someone out there will correct me) in the rear and Dana44 in the front which are much beefier than the ones found in the X.
Onroad, the shortwheelbase of the X, the leaf springs, and lack of AWD and low power would leave it well behind the Trooper IMHO.
-mike
According to the manual, I should not go over 55mph for the first 500 miles. Should I be pretty diligent about this? There is also some sort of clear adhesive on both sides of the truck below the doors on the body. Can this be taken off?
kev
Just thought I'd let ya'll know that there is already a scarcity of the smaller replacement parts...as I believe I related in an earlier posting, I took off a piece of the finishing molding along my rear right passenger door while off roading in December (apparently those trees were not 6' apart), and I have been trying ever since to obtain the part to have it replaced, but Isuzu keeps telling my shop (and a separate dealership) that it is on "back order" and thus, seven months later, I'm still driving around with my poor baby looking like he's owned by some redneck living in a trailer park who doesn't care about his truck....not that there is anything wrong with that, I just believe in taking care of those you love...
Aside from that, T3 is doing fine...just passed 14 months of ownership and 36,000 miles...I've been spoiled for other SUVs and still looking forward to several more years together, even if I have to buy a spare troop to scavenge for parts later on...
Anyway, hope ya'll are having a good weekend *wave*
-Cobbo
-mike
Some Trooper engines do use some oil and I wonder if observance of the breakin period results in a Trooper like mine that does not use oil.
To me, the basic info above is more important than just using vehicle speed as a guideline - just my experience & opinion. YMMV.
One thing I would suggest is crawl under both. Look at how well engineered the Trooper is - how massive the driveline is, how everything is tucked where it can't get hammered.
Sit in the back seats of both. The X, being a pickup conversion, is just not as comfortable. The Trooper has almost no tranny hump, making all back seat passengers much more comfortable. I can't remember the X...
Sit in the front seats of both, especially the driver's seat.
Drive them a highway speeds. The X is much noisier. And I don't think the ride is nearly as nice. That's important once you get to my age (say, roughly 40).
Of course, the Trooper has that dumb-[non-permissible content removed] 70/30 rear door. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I can't tell you how many times I haven't pushed that big door out far enough for it to latch, and it's tried to kill me as punishment.
Offroad, I'll bet the X has better potential as a rock crawler, and has a better breakover angle, but the Trooper would be better at just about anything else.
-mike
What I would like, is like Pasian stated, that the 70/30 rear door windows would roll down to get good air circulation on not so hot days. An alternative would be to have electrically controlled pop out side windows like on minivans.
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Jim
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Hope its for a good reason.
Steve
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JACDJ... = 4x4
JACDS... = 2x4
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-mike
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I really wish they had the Diesel Trooper for 2002, my wife would let me pay full price to get the better MPG.
Handling: Troopers have better handling than any SUV with 90 cubic feet of cargo capacity or 8 seats (aftermarket third row). Only the Toyota Land Cruiser might handle as well or a little better with about the same cargo and passenger capacity, but that costs twice as much and sucks down a lot more fuel and it still far from a sports car. What other large SUVs have you heard handle better than Trooper? Can anyone compare the handling of the Yukon/Tahoe to the Trooper? I can get the GM employee discount and as an added bonus the dealer warrantee repair shop will get to know me very well.
To me the AWD is worth the money. Handlingwise it should be the same other than the engine braking you can apply with the MT.
-mike
How different is Xterra to Pathfinder?
-mike
I guess part of the Xterra's ground clearance advantage could be because its rear diffy is smaller. :-0 I still hold that at certain aspects of off roading, like rock crawling, it would be the better vehicle.
All that said, I bought the Trooper and love it.
Regarding the manual versus automatic issue, the automatic will pay for itself at resale time, even if you drive it almost forever.