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In a motorcycle, the safety lies in the driver's defensive technique. Always leave yourself an out and practice situational awareness. Very different than driving a car.
I rode them for several years, during my wild and crazy young days.
Bill - LOL! Love that Pikachu pic!
That Forester is an older one, though. It got a face lift in 2001.
The smallest Subaru was the Justy. It was tiny, but ahead of its time with full time AWD and a CVT (continuously variable transmission). They stopped selling it here because small cars just don't sell much.
The cheapest car in the current lineup is the Impreza TS wagon, but it's hardly stripped. It has AWD, ABS, CD player, power package, 2.5l 165hp engine, and A/C all standard.
-juice
Was it a durable, reliable car?
ejp
U have a great day!
Subaru improved a lot after the 1993 Legacy was introduced. Every vehicle since then has had good reliability ratings (and gets Consumer Reports' "Good Bet" stamp of approval).
OK, some more history, anyone? Subaru was the first company to put 4WD on a car platform, and that was way back in 1973! So the Outback was not the world's first sport utility wagon, but the AMC Eagle wasn't either. It was the Subaru wagon!
Subaru also pioneered the FWD import movement, but the 360 wasn't exactly a car to brag about.
What else? Well, the 1995 Outback opened the floodgates for all the crossover vehicles we see now, including the Santa Fe.
Finally, they offered AWD before it became trendy. It's rather funny to see Mercedes, BMW, and now Jaguar copy them.
-juice
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Museum/Tam/Car/Subaru/
I believe the first US FWD Subaru's were the 1100's that came out in 1971. FWD had actually been successfully used in Europe for years before that. Saab, Citroen, Mini all had mass produced FWD vehicles prior to Subaru and all had imported to the US. The Honda 600
was also FWD, although sales were mostly on the West Coast.
http://www.fhi.co.jp/subaru/tope00.htm
It's one funky looking car, no?
-juice
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No way!!! That is EXACTLY how I drive, how I live my entire life. You never trap yourself. Period.
What about SAAB?
"Finally, they offered AWD before it became trendy. It's rather funny to see Mercedes, BMW, and now Jaguar copy them."
I thought the BMW ix series was around a while ago. What about Audi?
SF performance comment: http://www.new-car-net.co.uk/perf_indepth.html?serialno=12051
Before Audi and AMC. Way, way before Mercedes or BMW. More than two decades before cross over vehicles became popular.
-juice
PS Side-note: anyone else see the styling resemblance to the new Sante Fe?
It earned four stars (drivers side) and five stars (passenger side) in the American NCAP front offset crash tests. And in the side impact tests, the US testers awarded it five stars on both the driver and passenger sides.
The Santa Fe has a frame-type monocoque body and seven-way impact dispersion to give it maximum strength and protection in the event of a collision.
All Santa Fe models come with standard anti-lock brakes with Electronic Brake Force Distribution, enabling maximum braking force to be applied to the wheels with the most grip whilst preventing wheel lock up.
Santa Fe also has an automatic fuel cut-off facility in the event of a severe accident, as well as a collision sensor and lock release mechanism to allow a quick exit for all passengers in such an event. The central locking system will automatically unlock the doors if the airbag is deployed.
The Santa Fe is equipped with the latest in depowered airbags which are standard equipment for both driver and passenger. The front seatbelts have pre-tensioners, which tensions the belt and then gradually releases it in the event of a collision.
Childproof locks are standard on all three models.
The 60/40 front/rear drive split on normal roads of Santa Fe's full-time all-wheel-drive is unusual, 50/50 being the norm for such systems, and it matches the car's approximate kerb weight distribution. This 60/40 ratio can vary either way according to load and/or changes in wheel grip conditions.
Strong Word:
***Hyundai has made SAFETY THE NUMBER ONE (#1) PRIORITY when developing the Santa Fe***
Most vehicles nowadays have gone through the Cray supercomputer virtual crash tests as well, and the automatic fuel cutoff can even be found in a Ford Tempo.
The four/five star NHTSA results are good, but IMHO, it would be wise to take the IIHS's crash test into account too since it is entirely possible for a vehicle to do well in the NHTSA's test, but poorly in the IIHS's test. The Nissan Pathfinder is one example of this.
Side impact airbags would be nice...I'm surprised that Hyundai doesn't offer them here (if I recall correctly from your earlier posts) since safety is supposed to be the "number one priority".
Good luck...
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To be fair, it is the first model year for the Santa Fe. I'm guessing new features will appear within a year or two.
Hyundai actually deserves credit for including rear disc brakes and offering traction control from the get-go. Toss in stability control and side air bags and they could lead their price class.
-juice
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-Frank P.
That gives it one managed differential, and one open diffy.
Interestingly, the Forester has the reverse - only the rear diffy is managed.
-juice
Well I guess NHTSA crash test does not convince any good then. IIHS crash test result: Will we be able to find this out?
My DAD Sienna Van show good on the IIHS but Okay on the NHTSA. Which mean is the opposite. What is going on with the CRASH TEST result on this 2 (IIHS and NHTSA)?
The NCAP results were good, actually. NHTSA does the NCAP at 35mph straight into a wall.
IIHS tests them at 40mph at an angle. 5mph doesn't sound like much, but the potential energy involved is much higher, so it's regarded as a very challenging test.
At least according to crashtest.com, the Sienna aces both tests, pretty much. Your dad is in good shape.
-juice
As you mentioned, the Sienna did well in both the IIHS test and the NHTSA's test, scoring a good in the former, and nothing less than 4 stars in the latter.
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Re: side bags. Although I bought an LX and happy with the car, I'm extremely disappointed (see my earlier posts) that the US and Canada seem to be the only countries where Hyundai dropped the standard side bags! In Latin America and, aparently other European countries side bags are standard and promoted as a key safety feature of the car. The early production Santa Fes tested by Car and Driver as well as Prototypes at the Detroit Intl. Auto Show had side bags. So why the heck did they drop it only in the North American market? At the very least, Hyundai should have offered it as an option.
BTW, Hung's post comes from the UK www.new-car-net.co.uk/indepth.html This is the UK new car guide and car search with roadtest reports (Like Edmunds, I believe) I don't think this is just Hyundai marketing stuff, so I think again Drew, you are dead wrong or at least check your facts.
Although I usually agree with you Hung, this time I don't. Hyundai has not made "Safety Number 1 Priority" at least in the US market.
In other markets, Hyundai has side bag technology in 2001 Santa Fe's and withheld it purposefully (probably just to skim expenses or increase profit margin) for the US market. I'd like to get all current SF owners to WRITE to Hyundai and DEMAND retro-fitting side bags to our 2001 Santa Fes. In reality, Hyundai HAD their own safety test results showing the value of side bags on the Santa Fe (in fact they are even promoting this data overseas!) and then withheld this key safety feature from the US market. This is equivalent to a manufacturer taking steel reinforcement beams out of the doors of the US market cars after test results proved the steel reinforcement's effectiveness in preventing injury. If Ford was convicted of what Hyundai has just done in the US, we'd be hanging Ford out to dry.
(PS, Hyundai also withheld from the US market standard ABS/traction control (as on Latin and Europe AWD models), optional LSD (not available on AWD models in the US though actively promoted in other countries as a safety feature) mudflaps, power moonroof, tripmeter, front/rear brushguards (accessories available only on Korean models), standard roof crossrails (on Latin LX model) and cassette/CD combo player (as on some Canadian and European models). Guess what fans, Hyundai sent the US a stripped, de-safety featured US LX model, and none of us even knew as we moved ahead in our Santa Fe fever!! Nasty business practices coming from our friendly Korean manufacturer.
On the plus side, it seems like Hyundai only gave the North American market the 10 year 100000 mile powertrain warranty (Latin America model is only 1 year).
This is just base on the the Santa Fe only not on other platform. The Santa Fe was designed in the US! I was once told by the worker in Fountain Valley, located in Los Angeles Area and I have passed by in the past. Their comment was told to make a beautiful structure design but more important the safety feature. That's why you will find 3 safety child lock design built in the trunk, etc. You can really tell by looking at the structure body made and it really kind of similar to the Corvette in the front hood. The hood have the two side-curve up. They told me that the AWD system is much better when it comes to crash test compare to the FWD as well. That's why I have asked to get the crash test different for the AWD and FWD.
As I assumed! The Santa Fe will do VERY Good (above average) but not EXCELLENT on crash test. So as well to compare to the new CRV and RAV4. Since they both have 4&5 stars! I would say the Santa Fe result will be similar! It maybe just slightly more but can be slightly less. What ever the result! It still going to be the BEST CRASH TEST result that Hyundai have ever received. This is what I mean by Hyundai top priority safety.
I am not good when it comes to AWD/4WD system. But I know that the system work in the Santa Fe is different then most of them in the market. Sample: I used to owned the AWD system in the RAV4 and most of the time I get to here the tire skid and sometime loose a little balance on turning angle and even on fast-hard braking. I have tried even harder and stronger on the Santa Fe but never get any tire skid or loose balance. I know that the 4/AWD system in the Santa Fe must be very good. The Manufacture still assume and told me it was 4WD system but this site said it was AWD. I would say it suppose to be 4/AWD to make it fair.
The reason for de-contenting for the US market may be that they felt they could compete better with a low price. If they see it's doing well, they could add back what they removed, maybe.
Most warranties are shorter in Latin America, so that's common practice.
I believe the LATCH/ISOFIX anchors are now required by law. All Subarus have them too. It certainly doesn't make any vehicle so equipped stand out.
-juice
pro212- Where do you think the site got that data? Most auto reviewers start out by reading the manufacturer's promotional brochure and in many cases plagiarize from them. It's really done as a time saving feature since auto web sites in particular have to try and keep current info on many makes and models. I don't see a problem with it so long as a site does the same for all its reviews.
-Frank P.
-juice
As mentioned, the Sante Fe's TRACS is for the front wheels only and since Hyundai was already offering it for the FWD models, they didn't have to, or want to specially develop a 4 wheel traction control system for the AWD models, and simply offered the same system as an option across the line-up. Of course having a front wheel based traction control system with the AWD is better than having none, so it's good that they're offering that option. If a rear LSD is made standard or option for the future Sante Fe models, the setup will be similar to Volvo's XC. Tracs for the front (borrowed from the FWD wagons), and rear LSD for the back. Having this setup will allow for side to side power shifts, so to speak, but it cannot pull the vehicle out if only 1 wheel has traction. This is mainly due to the open centre diffy + the limitations of a LSD.
Traction control doesn't actually "send power" to the wheels that are not slipping. Rather, it slows down (read: creates resistance) the wheel that is spinning faster, so that the open differential is trick into not sending power to the path of least resistance.
ISOFIX/LATCH anchors are not mandatory in the US till 09/2002, I believe, so many manufacturers are leaving it till their MY2003 models.
Frank, TRACS absolutely does not activate when you're braking. At least not for the Sante Fe's. It does use the ABS sensors to monitor wheel spin though. The only traction control system (and it's a sophisiticated 4 wheel based system) that can activate while you're braking is the MB M-class's 4ETS. There is a special two foot or downhill mode that allows you to step on both the brake and throttle pedal at the same time and slowly creep up/down a hill with a loose surface.
Yes, what you said is correct. On most vehicles, traction control activates only when there is excessive wheelspin, either from a dead stop, or when moving along already. It basically compares the rate that the wheels are spinning, and when one (or more) is spinning faster than the others above a preset threshold, the TRACS then applies the brake to that particular wheel. More sophisticated systems can also reduce engine power in addition to applying the brake(s).
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Still, I can't imagine that's cost-effective. 4 wheel traction control would make more sense to me.
-juice
I suppose it's cost effective in that they don't have to develop an all new 4 wheel traction control system for just the AWD models. The centre viscous coupling, which is LSD too, would be redundant with 4 wheel TRACS, so throw that out and you need a different AWD system, and the accompanying costs associated with it. Adding the TRACS from the FWD model, and offering a rear LSD is cheaper in that sense, especially if the latter is already offered overseas.
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-juice
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/low_speed.htm
They tested an Escape and it did fairly well, with an average of $485 damage per test. The Forester was tested a while ago and also did OK, with $573 in damage per incident.
The Santa Fe did not fare well. $1287 average damage, more than double the Forester.
Given they market these as sturdy vehicles, they should be able to take a little more punishment than a measly 5mph bump. The New Beetle suffered only $50 damage on average in the same tests.
-juice
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!
It's good to have duct tape handy at all times, too!
-juice
If the car just hit the bumper and the cost replacement should not be reach over $1000 plus because replacement the bumper was not that expensive. Unless they hit the grill, light, etc. not the bumper. "Therefore, I am not sure how this test was done and what do they crash into"?
Here is the average damage on the IIHS reports check out your car!
X5=$591, Blazer=$1143, Durango=$1522, Explorer=$1457, Passport=$1321, Trooper=$2781, Cherokee=$1445, Discovery=$1394, RX300=$877, M class=$816, Montero=$2290, Pathfinder=$2238, Xterra=$2037, Escape/Tribute=$485, Santa Fe=$1287, Amigo=$1390, Wrangler=$714, Sportage=$1900, Forester=$573, Vitara=$1411, and RAV4=$2003.
They money was the issued to me because it is all depend where you buy the parts and labor charge. Most of the latest model does not have the real price on the parts anyway and where to they calculated from? Sample: The options on the Santa Fe: If I would bought the the cargo organizers, rear deflectors, etc. from the dealers here in California would cost me 3-4 times more than if I would bought is at www.tischerhyundai.com. My friend auto shop would do just a light tune-up for the Mercedes, Lexus, and BMW for the price of 3 to 4 times less than other auto shop too.
My car have the front and rear bumper protector and don't know how is that work with this test? What's your opinion? I betta you with just 5mph nothing will happen.
I question whether those people you saw parking in SF and bumping into your SF were going 5 mph, or even 5 kmh. Maybe they were going 2 mph. Then again, maybe people park faster in San Francisco, before the space is gone.
Seriously, a strong walking pace is 5mph. It would lead to a hefty hit, one car to another car.
ejp
The parts of each vehicles cost are different. The bigger the part the more cost. Most of these SUV have paint job and labor for the bumpers. I don't think the Escape really need paint job on the bumper. They come with the same color type without the need of color paint job. Most of the car does and that's why it show it own beauty. You pay for your own insurance and it is really your choice to pick the place to fix it. Some place are expensive and some are cheap. I have change the bumper on my Celica before and I can do that my own. paid the bumper and a paint job. It is not that difficult for me but some car are harder than other and that's why labor involve with the money. You will see tremendouse price involve on big car than small car because more paint more labor. Bigger mean add more people to do....Beside I try to order some paint for my Santa Fe now because I want to paint the mud guards but the paint was ready to sell yet.. So sometime the Insurance data just do estimate only. I call a few insurance places when I first bought the Santa Fe and they don't even have information on the Santa Fe to quote me for the insurance price. They give me a rough estimated price which it is so expensive. Finally I got to Allstate (big company) and they said just recently have few information and they can give me an estimated and the price was good compare to the RAV4 and I end up buying it. "Where does they get this price data and most of them are estimated".
Regardless of what! Most SUV do not have the aftermarket front and rear bumper protector. With just about $600 more add to my "Top of Line" Santa Fe is still cheaper compare to most of it competitors SUV. It makes the car nicer too.. I betta you that with this front and rear bumper protector on my Santa Fe can do much, much, much, better on this type of test..
Subaru sells, as accessories, rubber strips for the corners of the bumpers. Few people have them, though.
-juice
I can't imagine a bumper protector helping any in a 5mph collision. The only ones I've seen are solely intended to prevent scratches to the paint from objects rubbing against the bumper.
-Frank P.
I'd seriously consider a nudge bar or something back there.
-juice
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Let's see what manufacture parts cost more.....
1. www.z29.com/2001santafe/crash.html
2. www.photos.yahoo.com
***I am very concern about this kind of test data since I can prove the parts price and consumer accident*** I am going to write this situation to Hyundai-motor and have them check it....
Part needs to be painted to match, does not come painted
Rear impact absorber 72.57
Rear Reinforcement Bar 181.68
Additional labor to paint parts is 2.4 hrs
These parts would all need to be replaced in a 5 MPH rear impact, could run to more if rear floor structure buckles. Body damage is often more than visible items.
No manufacturer sells pre-painted body panels, it would be insane to stock 7 or 8 different colors of every body piece.