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My XL-7 is just going over 10K this weekend and not a problem. I am getting about 22 on average and am still very happy with it.
So many choices, so little money. Good luck
What do you plan to do with this vehicle? That is the key question. The CRV is basically an AWD, lifted Civic. The XL7 is basically a shrunk down version of a full-sized Truck based SUV such as the Trailblazer, Trooper, Explorer etc.
Since it is truck based it will have a harder ride, but will last a lot longer, and is generally tougher/will put up with more abuse than a car-based one such as the CRV.
-mike
PS: My choice would be the XL7
I have heard the next generation will be a crossover based on the large sedan (GX350?) or something like that. I doubt if they address the interior quality issue till they do a major redesign (03 will only be the third year of production so I doubt it) and then they may get rid of the ladder frame (ie, real truck design) and go with a item like the Sonata. Both of them are good choices, it just depends on how you will use it. However, I went with the XL-7 and do not regret it.
As for marketing. Most likely the same reason that the Isuzu models aren't advertised well due to GM's ownership they neuter their advertising departments so that they don't cut into GMs product lines.
-mike
Has anyone purchased the aftermarket Suzuki Security System? I really want to add some kind of security for my truck. I'd like to know what this system offers.
grehound guy: thanks for posts. Keep it up,since I have 2 months B4 decision.
The Honda CR-V is an extremely well designed vehicle. Both my wife and I find it more comfortable then the XL-7. The interior feels wider and more spacious. When we take a long trip we are finding ourselves choosing the CR-V over the Xl-7. The CR-V is more economical and has a better designed interior.
For serious off roaders the Suzuki is a far better choice. The Suzuki is a better choice if you intend to tow a trailer.
Look carefully at your needs. Either vehicle would be a good choice.
Rick
Please don't misunderstand, I only take CR with a "grain of salt" and have been quite satisfied with some products which they did not top rate. I'd much rather take advise from owners which is one of the purposes of these forums.
-mike
Phillyguy2 - We've owned our XL-7 Touring about a month now, and absolutely love it. I have 3 kids (16, 13 and 11 years old) and they have room to spread out in the XL-7 that simply isn't available in the Honda or other smaller SUVs. At 1500 miles, we're getting roughly 20-21 mpg, which is better than I expected. As for Consumer Reports, I take what they say with a big grain of salt because they've been knocking Suzuki for years.
-mike
Finally some comments on my XL-7. I find it to be very well built. Unlike some reviewers I do not find the interior to be cheap looking (I have the limited, but I don't know if that makes much difference). The driver's seat bottoms are short and do not offer enough knee support (about 1 inch longer would help. The vehicle is great to drive. I find it responsive and handles well, and the ride is very comfortable. Rear Air Conditioning and the extra seating is a plus for a vehicle at this price.
The passenger capacity is really six not seven as the middle row middle seat is not suitable because of seatbelt placement. If all 3 rows of seating are used, cargo capacity is extremely limited.
The ability to shift into 4wd lo and high is a great feature for the rare times I would be off road, or for our occassional snow storms. I do disaster response work so that having off road capability is something that I may need to use. My XL-7 has had 0 defects, and I have a lot of confidence in the quality of construction.
Sorry for the long post, but I hope this information is helpful in your decision making process.
-mike
As to your CRV vs. XL-7 comparison. I have to agree 100% with what everyone above said. The CRV is more car like and likely to be a bit more comfortable. If you'll never off road and won't need to carry more than four people at a time, I would go with the CRV (for resale, reliability, etc.)
We really wanted a mini suv that was still a real truck at heart. We go down to Hatteras during the summer and drive on the beach. The all-wheel drive vehicles are marginal at best on the sand and you really have to be careful not to get stuck. Also, as others have mentioned, the XL-7 can actually tow a small load, the CRV is really not meant for towing.
Reliability, hard to beat a Honda and I would never say the Suzuki's are better, but I think they are one of the most reliable "other" imports behind Toyota and Honda. Certainly way above Hyundai or Kia.
It is a bit frustrating the lack of support GM gives Suzuki and Isuzu for that matter. We just like to think of our XL-7 as one of the best keep secrets of the mini suv world and appreciate the rarity of them.
Good luck on your choice.
That is exactly the quote we have over at the Trooper site! Best kept secret in the med-SUV world!
Happy Zuking!
-mike
I took my van in for some service prior to it going our of 3/36 warranty and my Ford dealer gave me a 2002 Explorer XLT with sunroof and leather with 12K on it as a loaner. I must say that my XL-7 is doing better than it is: rattle in the dash(it appears this is a common problem with a fix, but should not be there), the rear suspension bushings give the sound of "old springs" (another common problem with a fix) the sunroof is a little lose and rattles when open and at speed, and a lose drivers window ( you can push it down about an inch after you open it). However, it does have the rear sensor for backing up, puddle lamps, 6 cd changer, side airbags, and a lot more cargo room than ours. However, the sticker is about 33K. All things considered my XL-7 (limited) is still solid as a rock after 10K. My only noise is the first aid kit in the back.
I have seen some adds for after market backup sonar systems. I am going to look into them. With the van and truck they would be nice to have. Has anyone looked into them?
What's in a name?
Steve
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I purchased my vehicle Mar.22,2002...it now has 23,600 miles...
Problems that i encountered: Missing gas cap, warning indicator light stayed on...check engine
Tires: Wear on inside front tires...out of allignment. Replaced both duller 687's.
Other than that I havent't had any concerns.It really runs great. I do a lot of hwy driving 70-75mph, 4 adult passengers on occasions.
WARNING: DO NOT DRIVE VEHICLE WITH TIRE INFLATION AT 26 TO 29 LBS OF AIR PRESSURE. I FOUND IT TO BE VERY DANGEROUS.....A LOT OF SWAYING;NOT VERY CONTROLABLE AT 55 AND ABOVE.
FOR MY DRIVING CONDITIONS I TRIED SEVERAL INFLATION PATTERNS. WHAT WORKS WELL FOR ME AT MODERATE AND HIGH SPEEDS IS 32LBS ALL FOUR TIRES.
AS FAR AS WIND SWAY....I'VE DRIVIN IN EXCEPTIONAL WIND CONDITIONS ON THE LEESBURG VA TOLL ROAD FROM DULLES AIRPORT TO RT.7. VERY LITTLE SWAY, A LOT OF WIND NOISE, INFACT IT WAS SO WINDY THAT IT BROKE MY BUG GUARD.
For those that have purchased xl-7's or may have concerns. I've found this message board truthful,helpful and full of experienced owners.
Special thanks to 5Greyhounds,Paisan,and Tisteve.
These gentlemen have provided helpful info.
Also for those that, have that ify attitude about this problem....Rent one....try it. There are several faults that we all have shared (like 3rd row of seats) coffee holders,arm rests,etc.
However, check out the storage compartment under the front passenger seat.....!
FOR THOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED CONSIDERABLE SWAY, DURING WIND ETC:
PLEASE CHECK YOUR TIRE INFLATION! TRUST ME,THIS VEHICLE HANDLES WELL IN WINDY SITUATIONS.
Thanks & Happy Motoring
WOW u put 23,600 miles on your vehicle in 15 days!!?! lol
Correction: Purchased Mar. 22, 2001 23,600 miles. 1yr + few days
I agree about CR but there are still a lot of old sidekicks, etc out there. I agree about it being a really good deal. I am presently looking out my window and there is a blue touring XL-7 and a Jeep Cherokee parked across the street. They look about the same size with the jeep being a little wider but then again the price is 10k more. I just like it. It is fun to drive, looks good and so far is reliable. What else can you ask for?
The XL-7 is maybe not the most sophisticated truck but it does have coil on ignition, a timing chain (vs a belt), rear air and a nice ride. For the money I will take it.
I may go to a custom shop and see how much it would cost to cover the inside door panels and dash with a nice vinyl to match the leather. I do have an appointment for this Monday to have a reverse sensor system installed. I will let you know how it works.
Thanks for your help!
We love the sunroof. Do not know what we would do without it. The indash single CD is nice since the sound system also includes a cassette player. Some people do not like the HVAC controls since they are buttons but they work just fine. Go for the Touring or the Limited. The plus is ok but lacks some of the really nice touches. Since I have the limited I have the leather seats. I find them comfortable. My only complaint is the armrests are a little short.
Since you have been reading this board I am sure you noticed everyone talking about the tire pressure. If you take one for a test drive have the dealer check the pressure. If it is down to 26 have him add 6 PSI. Makes a world of difference in handling and turning. One thing that many people do not realize is the second row doors are wider than the front doors. This makes for real easy entry and exit. Most SUVs have rear doors that are smaller than the front ones. As I said, this makes a world of difference. Enjoy and hope this has been a help.
My father owns a 2001 Rav 4 and has complained of how the engine labors on hills since the day he brought it home. The XL-7's engine has no problems with these same hills. My father was surprised to find that we paid basically the same amount for the XL-7 as he paid for the Rav 4, but received so much more for our money (V6 engine, sunroof, third row seating, rear ac). I agree with 5greyhounds that you should consider the Touring or Limited models. The Suzuki dealerships I went to before purchasing my truck were much more willing to deal on these models, and the equipment included on the Touring and Limited models is well worth the additional cost.
Cheers,
Frankk
After months of research, test drives, more research, and yes even some prayer, I am the new owner of an XL-7 Limited.
My wife and I are Realtors in N. Idaho and have fought the "suv" bug for a long time, but finally we've had a winter that's pushed us into the need for 4 wheel drive. We are both naitives of the great northwest, and have never had a 4 wheel drive vehicle, never even used snowtires, but our growing family, changing needs, and slick weather changed our minds.
SUV's in our area demand a premium and I just could not justify the price for the Tahoe's, Yukon's, Envoy's, Expeditions, and Explorers. We wanted a rugged off-road vehicle, with good winter driving dynamics and a 3rd row seat. I NEVER thought of myself as an import buyer (especially a Suzuki?!) but oh-my-goodness, what a wonderful vehicle! Great lines, real ladder frame design, good interior space, and talk about loaded to the gills. Leather heated front seats, auto-on lights at dusk, sunroof, power windows, locks, remote keyless entry, rear air, cruise, two trip meters, heated mirrors, full size spare, 3rd row (although mainly for kids) seating, decent power, sliding 2nd row seats (try that in your Durango) all for $27,000...unbelievable!
I read a lot of different messages at this townhall discussion and I just wanted to say Thank-you to everyone who has posted any info (good or bad) regarding the XL(ent)-7. This vehicle is definitely a sleeper in a field of posers and wannabe's. You can keep your car based mini-utes for those mall speed bumps, but if you really need to travel off road, or deal with "back-40" areas then the Suzuki XL-7 should be at the top of your list.
Steve
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Another question can it be bought and installed after initial purchase and what would be the cost?
Just pondering,
Thanks ahead
Frank K.
Idealtor, you will enjoy your ride. I have a 01 limited so I missed out on the heated seats but in Virginia they are really not needed. Just two points. If you need to adjust your seat back do it with the door open. Your watch will scratch the side of the door if you are not careful. The other is when you do put it in 4WD make sure the wheels are dead on straight. They will not engage otherwise.