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  • kc177kc177 Member Posts: 6
    Ditto..What many reviewers fail to do when comparing SUV's is their 4WD systems. Most SUV's really are AWD and not 4WD. These systems are completely different. If anyone is considering buying an SUV for true off-roading the first place you look is the 4WD system offered. Then you go to ground clearance, articulation, customizability, etc. A true off-roader's 4WD system if designed correctly actually solves some of the issues that come from SUV's not having software driven hill decent technology.

    It all comes down to want you want. If you want an SUV but you aren't planning to go offroad ever. I wouldn't pick a JGC. I would go with Highlander or something like that. If I lived in the mountains, had regular snow or bad weather, or even thought I would do a fair amount of offroading, the Jeep would definately be on the shoppers list.
  • kc177kc177 Member Posts: 6
    That would actually be a nice review to do. A comparison whether or not too many compromises have been made. The best way to do that is to compare the Jeep with it's competitors (offroad) and find out.
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    a review of the previous gen's off-road capability vs the new one's capabilities.

    Won't happen, but hey, I can dream! :)
    -Paul
  • drew1974drew1974 Member Posts: 1
    I've got a 2000 JGCL and it does the same thing. I've stumped every dealership I have gone to. Mine has around 70k on it and it does it spuraticly. Most of the time it's worst when I'm not near a dealership (go figure) If you find anything out PLEASE let me know. drew1974@hotmail.com
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    My 2000 JGC limited does it too, but it is from the bug deflector. :)

    -Paul
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Last week I did my first test drive of a new Jeep since July of 2000. Wow, what a difference; the vehicle now feels great on-road. I love the new Quadra-Drive II and the new Hemi 330 hp. My only complaint is with the small size of the cargo department. I read the Edmunds reviews--mostly positive, but they didn't like the seats. I'm going to test drive the vehicle again tomorrow and again check out the seats. My time-table for purchase is November of 2005, as I want to check out quite a few other vehicles, but so far Jeep has the lead (which it didn't back in 2000).

    I noticed that Goodyear tires come standard. According to posts on Tirerack.com, these tires are basically junk. So what would be the best replacement tires? The reviews of the Scorpion A/T are pretty positive, as are the reviews for the Yokohama Geolander H/T-S G051. What do you guys recommend?
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Member Posts: 336
    Have 2001 GC LTD. Changed to Goodyear Fortura tires. Great ride & quiet. Good for all season use. Not recommended for off roading tho.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Car and Driver, November 30, gives a great review of the new Jeep: www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8685- &page_number=1.

    The article mentions the Dynamic Handling System, which uses hydraulically engaged anti-roll bars to control body sway in corners. Does anyone know when DHS will be available?
  • mtngalmtngal Member Posts: 1,911
    Has anyone seen a 2005 on the road yet? I followed one Friday for a ways and it surprised me. While I've seen them in the show room and at Camp Jeep this is the first time I've seen one "in the wild." It's rear end is quite distinctive - more so than what I remembered from the dealership (I had lots of time to admire it - the traffic on the freeway was moving about 20 mph). I was wondering if they were appearing any place else.
  • evaddaveevaddave Member Posts: 156
    I've seen a few already, and two just today. For me, the Jeep look is strong at the front but diminishes the farther you get from the headlights. I don't recall seeing the back end, though. But the rear quarter panels could be any SUV.
  • naatz1naatz1 Member Posts: 188
    I just saw one go by when I picked my 01 JGC up at the dealer yesterday. Nothing major, does not "trip my trigger" at all. (Vs when we bought a 300M last spring and saw a 300C a couple months later, that was NOT a good looking machine and the wife still dislikes the looks of the new ones which are much more macho by our estimation). The new Jeeps are pretty blah, so it must be function (V6 vs I6) or price (huh?) that would appeal to make one trade up.
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Sorry to everyone, but I don't know how to start a new web. (?) Anyway here is my question:

    What is the big deal over the Hemi??

    I have three Jeeps, a 2000 GC Limited, 98 Wrangler and a 91 Cherokee.

    I have had many Jeeps in the past and like them all. I think the best engine Chrysler ever put in these rigs was the 318.

    I was all excited about the Hemi. after reading glowing reports here at Edmunds.

    WOW! What a let down. I just drove a GC Limited the new Hemi. My 2000 4.7 has more power! What gives? And the stuff about the seamless transfer between 4 to 8 cyl. ??. I ran at 2000 rpm and stomped it for passing gear. It went from 2000 to 5000 rpm in 1/10 of a sec. then down to 2000 again and started the passing power? I did that 5 times and it always did the same thing.

    Hemi. I don't think so. I'll stick with my POWERFUL 4.7. Whats wrong?

    Thanks, TJ
  • mtngalmtngal Member Posts: 1,911
    The hemi appeals to me because getting 19-20 mpg highway while having lots of available power would be really nice. I drive a huge amount of miles every year and so a little gain in mpg mounts up in a hurry. And I have a large elevation gain/loss so having the extra power available (but not used all the time) would be greatly appreciated. I got very tired of having to downshift to 4th gear to maintain 70 mph when I was driving a 4 banger.

    And I agree that from the side it looks much like the Envoy or many other SUVs.
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    For a while Daimler Chrysler products had that distintive look - in a good way. But now, they have taken a stance that stands them apart in some areas, and I'm not meaning in a good way.

    Looking at the 2005 GC, I loved the driving dynamics of it, but the outside just don't work unless you call it an SRX. It looks too generic. My 2000 GC to me, looks like a Jeep to me. Maybe time will pass and I'll feel differently, but my opinion is that a car should not have to 'grow on me' for me to like it.

    The 300C - my wife said it looked like a coffin. :) Nuff said.

    Funny thing though - i HATE The Cadillac CTS, but I really LIKE the new STS. Is this is a case of the basic design 'growing on me'? :)

    -Paul
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Be sure to test drive a 5.7 Hemi for quite a while before you buy. It doesn't have the power of the 4.7 and it the gas milage is reported to be not close to the 19 or 20 mpg they put on the window!
  • jglackinjglackin Member Posts: 164
    Before you change your name to volvosandjeepssuck, let me give you some info that may help you.
    The 4.7L V8 produces 235hp@4500rpm and 305lb/ft of torque @3600rpm. Sticker fuel economy = 14/20.
    The 5.7L V8 produces 330hp@5000rpm and 375lb/ft of torque @4000 rpm. Sticker fuel economy = 14/21.
    Curb weight difference between the two identically equipped vehicles is 54lbs.
    I read your post about what happened when you stomped on the gas and opened the throttle all the way up. I'd like to explain what the MDS system actually does for you. It's a transparent system (one that's never meant to be felt by you) that will deactivate 4 cylinders when the vehicle is under light acceleration or cruising. The vehicle will use all 8 cylinders under all other circumstances. What you did was go from, likely 4th gear, down to first, and back again. Yes, you were successful in activating the other 4 cylinders, but you did not "feel the system working".
    I would suggest that you try again. Now that you have a little better idea of what the system does, and how much power the engine has, drive another one. I wonder if it was really a 5.7 they let you drive - the difference is noticeable.
    Good Luck.
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Jglackin,

    Funny, I and not volvossuck. However I do have a Jeep GC and a Volvo XC

    Sorry to say but the 2.4 Volvo has much more power than the 5.7 Hemi (I drove)

    And yes, I did drive the 5.7. I warmed it up for 20 miles so it was really up to running temps.

    You are correct about the shifting on passing. However the power for passing was no more than my 4.7. That may have to do with gearing more than hp. I don't know about that. It might tow a great deal more, but since I don't have anything to tow, the 4.7 is just fine. I still say the Hemi of today is 100% hype.

    (I got a Hemi in that!) Good talking point.

    Thanks, TJ
  • jglackinjglackin Member Posts: 164
    I'll never argue opinions, which is why I gave you the specs. BTW, the 5.7 tows just 700lbs more than the 4.7 (6500 vs. 7200lbs). I think I don't know what you mean by 'power'.
    I do agree with you that the 4.7 is probably just fine for just about everyone who wants a V8 - I actually think the 3.7 is 'just fine'. I've driven all three engines in the GC extensively. I've also driven the 4.0, 5.2, and the 5.9 when we offered them. Each one offers something unique. From a modern engineering standpoint, the engines in the 05 model year are probably about the best ever offered, and match the vehicle very well. If you look at the statistical data, the 5.9L V8 from 1998 and the 5.7L C8 Hemi offer similar performance, but completely different fuel economy. Did you ever get the chance to compare your 4.7 to a 5.9? I know the gearing is different, but I think I'm trying to understand what you mean by power.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    I've taken three test drives of the 2005 Jeep GC, two with the 4.7 and one with the 5.7. Both are very powerful, but throttled differently. The 4.7 has a mechanical throttle link and is very sensitive; you zoom right away. The 5.7 has an electronic throttle link and can be feathered. The power in the 5.7 is more subtle, but there.

    I'm waiting for the DHS before another Hemi test. About the seats: the fronts don't have map pockets, and the rear couch seems rather close to the floor. Also there are no rear heating/AC controls, just vents. Minor quibbles, but a little annoying. The overall styling of the vehicle is more athletic, but not necessarily more handsome, than the previous model.

    Truck Trend's latest issue rates the GC above the Explorer and the Envoy in a shoot-out.
  • jglackinjglackin Member Posts: 164
    I have not read or seen anything (from Chrysler) on DHS. I did look into it a bit with one of our factory guys, but got no answer. It would be great to have it - I agree. As far as your other comments...minor yes, but you'd be surprised at the things that turn people off from buying a car. One (even more) minor feature of their previous car that is not available can sometimes be a deal breaker.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Another point on my three test drives: two were with the Goodyear Wranglers and one was with the Eagle GLs. Frankly, I couldn't feel the road at all with the Eagles; the Wranglers were much better. But checking the reviews at the Tirerack.com, they don't get good reviews. The best tires for the Jeep would appear to be the Pirelli Scorpion A/T's. Does anybody here have experience with these tires? Is there a way (if I get the Jeep) to have the dealer swap out the Wranglers, put in the Scorpions, and give me credit for the Wrangers?
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    drive straight from the dealer to a tire store that accepts trade ins for credit. :)

    You'll pay less for the tires that way w/o paying any kind of dealer markups.

    -Paul
  • jglackinjglackin Member Posts: 164
    I agree. I know we don't give credit for tires or other parts
  • russlarussla Member Posts: 74
    Does anyone know for a fact, that when in low range, on a DHS vehicle (would have to be the hemi) the front sway bar is totally disconnected?
    I remember reading some blurb, but can't remember where. The system does this to improve droop and compression.

    Lastly, Am I the only one that thinks not having the 2speed TC available on the Laredo model is bad move on DCX's part?

    to get the most capable rig (off road wise) you now have to by the most expensive one with leather and all the other "stuff". This seems to me that all the people that actually intend to use a Jeep in a situation where low range is required, would not be more pressed to consider 4runners

    R
  • russlarussla Member Posts: 74
    I want to correct my post.

     

    The QTII 2 sp transfer case is available on the Laredo, if you buy the v8. The build a jeep tool on jeep.com doesn't show this as included when you select the v8, but invoices of 2005's laredo's on the web show that the qt2 case is grouped with the v8

    Regards
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Russla: Although I'm a member of SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers), I'm not an off-road expert and so I've never heard the terms "droop" and "compression" (for off-road). The November, 2004 issue of Automotive Engineering International, pp. 54-60, has a great article on the new Grand Cherokee, "Grand Ride for Grand Cherokee." According to the figure on p. 58,

     

    "The Delphi active stabilizer bar system uses data from accelerometers and the steering wheel position sensor to lock and unlock actuators in the links between the anti-roll bar and the suspension. The front-axle-only Grand Cherokee system conteracts body roll in turns while permitting a smooth ride on straight roads."

     

    So, DHS is for decreasing body lean in sharp turns. I can't wait for a test drive!
  • gojeep1gojeep1 Member Posts: 1
    Purchased an 05 Jeep GC Hemi three weeks ago. Drove it two blocks, got a "check engine" light. Returned to dealer. Diagnosed bad "O2" sensor. Sensor sent from Michigan to Florida and installed in one week. Repair failed. Sent for new computer "brain". One week later received and installed. Technician could not download needed program into brain. District technician called in to help. Diagnosed VIN problem on download. Now I think I am waiting for the computer programmer in Michigan to update his programs to include new Hemi series. It's hard to get a new 05 Jeep!
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    PLEASE! DON'T GET SEDUCED BY 2005 JGC AND MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELVES. I DID IT, AND REGRET IT A LOT!

    After owning a '98 Limited for six years and 83K miles, maintaining only at dealer, keeping in a garage, the car looked like new on the outside, but was costing $400 each month to fix yet- another-thing. Differential, brakes, electrical, you name it... Loved it when it was new, still loved it when I parted with it. Almost cried when sold for a pittance 7 months ago. Swore never to throw my money in a Jeep's pit again. Our Toyota had 135K, $150 repairs in its lifetime, dents and scratches from city parking and sold in 12hrs for full KBB private party price.

    Well, until I drove the 2005 Hemi... I got taken by the silky smooth ride, power, and ironically -"bang for the buck." Although the color (ugly green) wasn't showing well liked the design also.

    Ordered a Ltd. Hemi and got it a week ago with 4 miles on the ODO; and guess what: from the 30th mile on, the engine started making groaning noises in low rpm. Even on glass-smooth roads a high frequency vibration is clearly felt through the chassis and seats. Nothing like the one I test drove... Gave it the benefit of the doubt that it had to be "worked up" a bit. Drove it gently on highway and city for another 900 miles. The first time I attempted to accelerate and reach 70 mph it was a shock: The low rpm groan was even louder in 65+ mph. Took it to the dealer. They drove the car, agreeing with me. Checked and tinkered with it for 2 hrs like it was a UFO wreck they found in their back yard, only to admit that the new drivetrain in the HEMIs is so new and different that they know nothing about it. Supposedly contacted DCX's "experts." Their advice: Drive it for a while so that the car gets used to it ???!!!### After another 500 miles this Jeep is nothing but a $40K, 8 cylinder lawnmower riding on pebble stones. It's back at the dealer. It's been there for 4 days. 2 hrs. ago the service manager plainly admitted: "We don't know how to fix it. DCX's guys are too busy to come by..."

    I have a feeling it's going to end up being a Lemon Case, actually another usual Jeep case (only this time it couldn't even wait until the warranty to expires). Even if ultimately things get fixed, the feeling won't change: Feel like an idiot not learning my lesson with my old Jeep and throwing another $40K out of the window.

    I GOT BURNED... VERY SINCERELY PLEADING: BE WISE AND DON'T FIND YOURSELVES TAKEN FOR RIDE IN A JEEP
  • jglackinjglackin Member Posts: 164
    against my better judgement, I'll reply. The HEMI is new to the Jeep line only. It sounds like you are using a standalone Jeep store. I would go to a CJD or a stand alone Dodge store if you really think there is a problem. IMHO, I think you may be a bit too new w/ the Jeep to feel 'burned'.
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Member Posts: 233
    Too bad about you Jeep. If I follow your post correctly, you have put on over 1400 miles in only a week? That's a lot of miles in a short time, especially considering it's been with the dealer part of that time!
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for the feedback on trying a Dodge place. You guessed it right, it's a sole Jeep dealership; well-run, friendly place. Their persistence to come and see first hand that Jeep deserves a second chance, is why I ended up test driving the darn thing anyway. At least on the surface they seemed equally frustrated with this. I'll actually got to Dodge, hope it works...

     

    On the miles: you got it right. I put on 1400 miles in a little over a week. I am in sales and drive all over the Northeast. The Toyota I mentioned made most of its 135K miles in 2 1/2 years shuttling between NYC and Boston. I am actually shrewd enough to put these miles on a Japanese :-) My current workhorse is Acura TL.

    With the excitement and intention to give the new Jeep a smooth and "DCX recommended" workout took it for client visits in Upstate NY, and NYC. To keep the message short, skipped the fact that the '05 Hemi was a replacement for our 2001 Laredo, driven mostly by my wife weekdays, and for family outings on weekends. With 68K miles, nearing end of 75K purchased extended warranty, and behaving just like our '98 Ltd. (fix after fix right after mfg. warranty expires) it was begging for replacement. Well, now it must be even clearer why I really feel like an idiot... We always loved our Jeeps, and I guess, like fools were just looking for a reason to own another one. This time it was the new Daimler "quality commitment" hype, the huge improvement in ride, brakes, exhilarating engine, and most of all the list of equipment and technology one gets for the money that took us. Jeeps are irresistible on paper and when test-driven; until one plunks the money, owns them, and then tries to sell...

    Unless Toyota or Honda buys the brand, fires the production people, keeps the designers, and maintains the value equation, this is the last Jeep I will ever own.... (wishful thinking....)
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    Oh now I notice why the question, sorry "carguy". I mistype meant missed "couple". Apologize.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Regret:

     

    Thanks for the information. I currently am driving a 2001 Acura MDX, very reliable, but a bit boring. It's got a V-6 and VTM-4; I was planning on switching to the Jeep's hemi V-8 and QuadraDrive II for greater smoothness, traction, and off-roadability--as you say, the specs on paper look great! But I need a dependable vehicle, above-all. So please keep us informed as to how your problems are resolved. Maybe, the 4.7 V-8 would be better??

     

    I did go to another local Jeep dealer to check out the new navigation system. Unfortunately it's not touch-screen, whereas my current one is. On the other hand, it does allow storage of 100 addresses and it does have phone numbers. So I guess it will be OK.
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Sorry to hear about your 05 GC problems. I have had many Jeeps. I now have a 2000GClimited, 1998 Wrangler Sport 4L and a 1991 Cherokee 4L.

     

    My wife likes the 91 the best. The 2000 is ok but it has a vibration buzz that can't be taken out. It's still a good car. It has the 4.7 which is better than the Hemi they say. Unless you need towing power go with a 4.7.

     

    I had a 93 GCLimited with a 318 and had 189000 when I sold it. Not burning a drop of oil!

     

    Sorry you got a lemon. I have never had any REAL problems with my Jeeps.

     

    I too fell pray to the advertising of the 05 GC. BUT, when I took it for a ride, I didn't think it was any better than my 2000. And I didn't see any REAL power in the Hemi. It didn't have the power my 4.7 has right now.

     

    I'm going to keep my 2000 for quite a while. It's a good car.

     

    My wife wants a new (old style Cherokee) so I'm going to look at the new Hummer 3 (Looks just like the 91 cherokee with my 98 wrangler dash!)

     

    Only time will tell.

     

    Good luck with the 05. I hope it turns out good for you. Merry Christmas. Maybe Santa can help?
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for the feedback. As of today Sunday Dec. 19th, the Jeep is still at the dealer. Upon a check with the service yesterday, the problem still not resolved, actually still not even a verdict on what's wrong. Tomorrow (Monday) it'll be a week since it got to the dealer for the second time; has been laying there since...

    It seems to have come down to Santa's Miracle :-)

    If tomorrow no positive result, will pull it back. Bring it again... If not fixed, the fourth time is their last chance... After that the Lemon Law kicks in. Planning to either sell back at a small loss or get a replacement and hope that the new one is OK.

    I guess should've gone for the MDX. You're right, not as exciting as Jeep, yet at least gives peace of mind. Will take reliability over going through this anytime...

    Have a NAV on my Acura TL too, love it... Few times took an associate who drives a Lexus RX330 w/NAV to client calls; according to him, Acura NAV much better... Jeep's NAV is quite nice too, and not expensive to add (again the Jeep bang for the buck)...

    Will keep you posted on this saga...
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    About the 5.2L V-8, I have to agree. When the engine on my 98 Ltd. was hooked up to a computer for emissions tests etc., the mechanic was in awe. According to him, very few engines with such mileage (I think it had 70K+ at the time) show such healthy indicators. Although never got to see such high miles on mine, I'm not surprised it didn't burn oil...

    But the engine alone doesn't do any good.. It's the rest that falls apart. Noise from axles, quickly wearing bearings, time-bomb transmission, brake rotors, electrical, coolant leaks, AC, electrical stuff that sucks up money.

    Can't imagine how you made it to 189K without spending several grand (beyond any brand's usual wear costs) just to have it running reasonably well.

    The boxy Cherokee, must be one of the most reliable products Detroit has ever made. It's so simple and built around time-proven components... No wonder there are so many of them on the road dating back to the 80's.

    As far as the Hemi, my test drive impression was its silky-smoothness, though not the case with mine..

    Can't believe that such frustration will make me a such a message board junkie. Hope, my experience gives the rest some guidance...
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Regret:

     

    Edmunds consumer score for the 2005 JGC is 9.2, from 22 responders (but that might be expected from early adopters). So, although your case is very serious, I don't think we can jump to the conclusion that all 5.7L Jeeps are going to be problem-prone. I do remember this forum back in 2000 with all the moans and groans, but over the past couple of years it would appear that Jeep reliability has improved, although maybe not to the Japanese standard. So I think we should see how DC resolves your problem before scratching the Jeep off the "most-wanted" list.

     

    I'm now wondering if the Dynamic Handling System will be available for the 4.7L engine, as well as the 5.7L Hemi. Does anyone know? Probably not. Also, what is the fuel economy of the 4.7L with Quadra-Drive II? Is it still 15/20?

     

    By the way an SUV (like the MDX) which gets 17/23 but uses premium grade costs about the same to run as an SUV (like the JGC) which gets 15/20 (4.7L) but uses regular grade; this is verified on the EPA Web site. The HP comparison is 265 vs 235 (4.7L), but the towing comparison is 3500 lb vs 6500 lb (4.7L). So, we agree that the new Jeep sure looks good on paper.

     

    Judging by your comments, maybe the MDS is not working properly; i.e., maybe not four pistons are shutting down--that could cause a great deal of vibration (because the engine would not be balanced). I sure hope it's not the Quadra-Drive II.
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    You are right about the 91 Cherokee We have. It has a 4L as does my 98 Wrangler.

     

    Do you know that the 4L is the old 1955 Nash American block with a Fuel Inj. head? great engine (bullet proof) except its very noisy.

     

    AS far as my 93 GClimited with the 5.2. The only problem I had was at 170K I had to replace the Viscus Coupler <sp. And I think 170K is a good amount of mileage to get out of that part! (however it cost $750 for the part! Other than that I had no porblems with that car! My 2000 GClimited is ok so far. Have some rotor warping, but that is at 74,000. Still very good. We like the car. I may buy a 2005 but not until it's 3 years old with 50,000 on it. Then I never have to fight a dealer for a warranty. I know if something goes wrong it's all mine to fix. I usually buy a GC from a one owner who has just gotten a new one and has had good luck with the one I buy. That has worked for me for the last 30 years and I have never had a REAL problem with any Jeep I have purchased that way! And I sell them usually with over 100K on them. (Traveling saleman) Hope they give you a new Jeep. (If you don't have any problems with the new one and you want to sell it in 3 years, drop me a note here and we will talk! Merry Christmas to all! (Gee, I feel like Santa!)
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    Within the next couple of days, once I find a bit of time, I'll write to you guys about what's happening. Let's just say for now that I treat this as a big fat $40K comedy.

    I see great deal of sense in how you buy Jeeps. Hold until someone fixes the glitches and then enjoy it for a really good price. I commend you... I wish I could do this, but a have a thing about used cars. Never bought one.. I know, it's not rational, but can't help it..

    Merry Christmas to y'all, if not in touch in the interim..

    P.S. But I'll try to write by then, it's a real comedy, well tragedy actually... Well, you guys make the judgment once you find out.. No intention to create suspense, it's just too intriguing to fit into the 5 min. I have now...
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    I thoughy about all these as well...

    I don't think it's QDII. Diagnostics show all to be fine in the engine.... It's a biiigggg mysterrryyy...

    Talk to you soon...
  • ammomikeammomike Member Posts: 2
    Sorry to hear about your troubles. Please keep us informed. I also own a 05 hemi 4x4. Mine s built like a tank and the hemi is performing flawlessly. I average about 17 mpg with 97 octane. A mustang GT was reving at a stop light and...well he gave up after about 100 feet:)
  • colorado1974colorado1974 Member Posts: 177
    I almost upgraded to the 05 Hemi GC but after seeing how much smaller the GC is than the Liberty, I think I will pass.

     

    Also, in looking at the specs: cargo capacity is smaller, payload capacity is lighter, rear hip room is narrower and headroom is much much shorter.

     

    For a vehicle costing $10k more, you would think they would make it bigger than its "little brother."
  • paulepaule Member Posts: 382
    Cargo capacity:

    Liberty is 69.0+31.0=100.0

    GC is 35.0+70.8=105.8

     

    Payload capacity:

    Liberty is 1150 lbs.

    GC is 1574 lbs.

     

    Rear hip room:

    Liberty is 47.4"

    GC is 60.6"

     

    Head room:

    Liberty (frt) is 40.7" (rear) is 42.2"

    GC (frt) is 39.7" (rear) is 39.3"

     

    2005 GC beats the Liberty on everything but headroom.

     

    Specs are from Jeep website comparing Liberty 4x4 ltd. to GC 4x4 ltd.
  • regretregret Member Posts: 9
    Just got off the phone with the dealer. Felt that it'll be good to vent off before I walk out of the office early. After all this, I need a DRINK... Also, for all your good feedback and consideration, just want to share the bottom line... I'm so out of it now, to write the details...

    Tomorrow, I'm handing over a check for $6K to the dealer, trading-in the "cursed" Jeep, and picking-up one loaded-up-to-the-ying-yang with absolutely unnecessary for us $3K (additional to my original pick) options. So, after net loss of $3K and paying another $3K for options that'll never be used, bought ourselves the hope that we simply happened to hit the statistical extreme of every manufacturing process. Perhaps, you already inferred that it was confirmed by the dealer that this is a Lemon Case. However, nor I neither my wife have the time, luxury, and nerves to follow through a Lemon Case arbitrage process, and deal with a billion dollar company that acts like it's in the business of pissing-off people. We're busy professionals, shrewd enough to calculate the financial burden of every wasted working hour and bad mood at work. I have 10 unreturned calls today, and in no shape to deal with them (as you see, I'm flopping around message boards). So, I better get really buzzed tonight, pick up a vehicle that performs reasonably tomorrow, and work even harder to make up for the $6K damage...
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Dear Volvossuck,

     

    I can't figure out how the names are listed at this site. If you are volvossuck, you will get a kick out of the fact that I have a 2001 Volvo CX in addition to my 3 Jeeps. Only problem with the Volvo is my wife likes the Jeeps better so she won't drive the Volvo and I no one will buy it becasue the closest dealer is 200 miles. AND ONLY A VOLVO DEALER CAN MAKE THE ELE. STUFF WORK IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT. I actually had a friend who had to have his Volvo towed 200 miles to the dealer to activate the new ele. part EVEN THOUGH IT WAS INSTALLED IN OUR TOWN. Only Volvo could make it work!

     

    You are correct. I buy Cars that have been used for a minimum of 3 years by one perons so all the bugs are worked out. Also (and more important) is that I do not want to deal with a dealer! They do not tell the truth and I would not be suprised if they really didn't try to get your rig fixed just to sell you a new rig, get another 6K and then sell your lemon Jeep to someone else at another profit. It's for sure they will sell it to someone without telling them the problems it has had! and probably still has.

     

    Look at the bright side. If your new Jeep is also a lemon, you can kill the dealer and you will probably be given the medal of freedom rather than go to jail!

     

    I also know that when I buy a car, I don't ever have to fight with a dealer about a warranty! If it breaks, I fix it. It's than simple.

     

    Please keep us all up to date as to how the new rig works. (Try the GPS, you will love it after you learn how it works. I have one in my plane and it is truly a life saver.)
  • volvossuckvolvossuck Member Posts: 11
    Volvossuck, I forgot to add that the 3 most important thing to do when buying a used car is:

     

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER buy a used car from a dealer!!

     

    A used car on a dealers lot, is a car that has been a problem to someone else. That is why peoploe trade them in. They can't sell them to someone else with a good conscience. People are not like car salesman! The people are honest!

     

    I'm in insurance. I see all the new car wrecks go to body shops to be rebuilt and then to the auction. Dealers buy them and tell people they honestly don't know the history of the car, but they are just sure it was a lease return, etc. All bull. I saw a car we paid a claim on at a local dealer. He told me it was a lease return.

     

    No accident report on (carfax)for that car?

     

    Carfax. Another trick. Don't trust that company either.

     

    enough said. Buy from a one owner. after 3 years.

     

    Merry xmas again. TJ
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Um ... why are you talking to yourself? And, please, let's try to stick a little closer to the topic which you can find at the top of this page.

     

    tidester, host
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    OK, Regret, how's your second new JGC? Statistically, it should be impossible for you to have two lemons in a row.
  • colorado1974colorado1974 Member Posts: 177
    The information provided by the dealer was different than what was on the Jeep Website. In looking at the stats, this is interesting.

     

    The liberty has much more head room and more rear leg room. Rear hip room is pretty much a wash with both at the 57" mark.

     

    All of the other sizes are within an inch or two. Cargo capacity is within a couple cubic feet. The killer is that at 6'4", I physically do not fit in either the front or back seat of the Hemi GC whereas my Liberty is more than comfortable.

     

    This begs the question, why would you spend $10k more for a vehicle that has less useable space inside? If you are spending that much, buy an X5.
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