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1. TO tidester:
Um...if I'm talking to myself, how come tidester knows what I'm saying?
2. To jglackin:
My Grammer school teacher did teach me about generalizations: ie: "a proposition asserting something to be true either of all members of a certain class or of an indefinite part of that class"
The general population of the United States of America consistently ranks the occupation of "Auto Salesman" as the job that is held in the lowest esteem of all jobs in the USA! AND that "Auto Salesman" occupation is the most distrusted in the USA!
I do think that allows me to make a "generalization" about "auto salesman".
That is not to say that there are not some fine, honest, upstanding "auto salesman". If you fit into that catagory, you should be proud of yourself and my remarks were not aimed specifically at you. However I have never, ever met an "auto salesman" in your catagory!
Merry christmas.
I think the reason the GC doesn't have a greater advantage in cargo capacity is due to the very high load floor in the back. I'm guessing they did this to move the spare tire up to increase departure angle. Personally I would have liked to see them split the difference.
I could understand having problems fitting in the GC at 6'4". I can just get my seat back far enough on my '98 and I'm only 6'0". I know this is a different vehicle than the '05 GC but I'm guessing they're reasonably comparable. I have never had an issue with headroom on my '98 and have never been in the back seat so that's a non-issue for me in regards to rear seat legroom. I have been in an '04 Liberty and it just "feels" significantly smaller (mostly in width) than the GCs do.
So why would I pay $10 more for a GC? A couple of reasons. I believe the GC is better for off roading (I also live in CO and do quite a bit). I want the power for towing at high altitude and (forgive me) the Liberty is just too much of a "chick car" to me. I really don't mean to offend anyone with the last comment but the Liberty falls into the "cute ute" category where the GC is more of a true off road SUV.
The X5 is a very nice truck. My wife just bought a 325xi so we obviously appreciate BMWs. It's just way too expensive and doesn't have as much power as the GC. I believe the GC is a better value. Even if I could afford an X5, I still think I'd go with the GC for the additional power and off roading prowess.
The X5 (base 3.0) climbs above $50,000 very quickly without as many features as the GC and if you opt for the bigger engines, you're looking at $70k (yikes!). I just can't afford that. I could get a pretty much loaded GC for $36-37. That's a pretty big difference.
Enjoy your Liberty. It's still a nice truck; just not what I need. It's pretty easy for potential consumers to sit in both the Liberty and a GC back to back and decide for themselves which works best for them. It would be a boring world if everyone liked the same vehicle........
It was white. This is quite possibly the worst color you could have on the new GC. The way the back slants forward just looks awful in white.
The only other color I've see is silver which is OK but still not great.
Why can't they bring back a bright red?
-Paul
I have the Light Driftwood on my '98 which I like. It turns almost gold when the light hits it right. The Jeep website just doesn't do the whole color thing justice. You really need to see them in person.
I guess I can always wait and see what they'll come up with for '06 since it will be another year at least before I'm in the market.
I was sorely disappointed. I'm 5'10" and my head touches the roof in the front seat. The interior just felt very crammed in. I had to take it off my list.
I still can't believe how small it is inside.
From there, I checked out other vehicles. Favorite SUV for size/style is the Volvo XC90. It is the best SUV I saw. It is pricey though.
Nothing out there in the low 30s I like. Back to square 1........
On the grand, the AWD is engaged by some slipping. When slip is 'deteted' the plates mesh and awd is now in gear.
If you drop your Grand into the 4lo, you'll see the same thing you would on the Wrangler.
Kinda sucks, but it DOES do the job.
-Paul
Audi's system is more proactive and more even distributed. Jeep's Quadra Drive is more reactive. I've only ever had to use 4lo in the snow to get out of my driveway (uphill climb w/o cement). Once on the road, the AWD worked just fine. Keep in mind, you can't fly along cuz you still have to worry about stopping. Once moving though, QD is awesome!
-Paul
I ruled out the Subaru Outback based on sitting in one at the LA Auto Show several years ago. My problem is that I'm short and sometimes have trouble seeing over the dash, and the one at the auto show was terrible for me (and all the way back). Later I test drove one and didn't have any problems at all, once I had adjusted the seat correctly.
On the other hand, if you thought the whole interior felt cramped, then it sounds like the Grand Cherokee isn't for you. I still would love to have one - maybe sometime I'll get one (sigh).
Anyone tried this.? I have a 2005 JGC limited.
with navigation, but have not tried it yet.
I don't think it will work, but thought I would pose it to forum.
thanks.
jz
Re: driving in snow/ice: I have the QD with the NV247 and have had no problems on any surface condition. I belong to a local Jeep club where my Grand has been subjected to creeks, mud, snow, rocks and ice. The QD will go where most "locked" Jeeps can go except for those hardcore jeepers.
I recently removed a 4" lift kit and larger tires from the Grand replacing with stock components for the remainder of my ownership. The Grand was an awesome sight and delivered expected results sitting almost 6" higher than stock and able to clear most objects below.
I also have 114K miles on my Grand. I drive it everyday and everywhere, it's serviced on a regular basis and I will purchase another Grand when I must retire my "Jeepo".
At this point I am resigned to spending mid/high 30's on something else that is a bit bigger overall though.
I still like the 05 Grand Cherokee look. I wish the bigger Commander was out already, but maybe I'll wait until the fall......
Front headroom is exactly the same in both generations of vehicles, 39.7".
Rear headroom in the 2005 model is .20" less than before (- approx. 3/16").
Front shoulder room is improved by .20".
Front hip room is improved by about 1", 57.6" vs 56.5
Cargo volume has been reduced, from 72.3" to 67.40".
So overall, the new interior is pretty much equal or less on the new 2005 model.
Since all Grand Cherokee models from 1999-2004 are bascially same body, wondered if anyone knows if the fascia can be economically swtiched back to the earlier 03 design which protects the radiator and has a better uniform fascia grille moulding?
Thanks,
Aljoel
Jeep Commander Debuts Next Week in New York (Inside Line)
Steve, Host
Should I have any hope that the mileage will improve over time? Other than that I have had zero inital problems with my Jeep and I am very happy with it.
Dave B.
I've owned a 1993 Grand Wagoneer and a 2001 GC Laredo. The Grand Wagoneer had QuadraDrive and the 2001 GC had QuadraTracII. The QuadraDrive was awesome and works similar to our current Audi Allroad Quattro. The 2001 GC's QuadraTracII was terrible in the snow--the back end swung out frequently. I couldn't use the full time 4 wheel drive on the QuadraTracII--it was only good for dry or wet pavement. Whenever it snowed, I had to put it into part time 4 wheel drive.
I now have the 2005 GC limited with the Hemi, QuadraDriveII and traction/stability control. I find that the QuadraDriveII system does cause the back end to spin out when the stability control is disengaged (the only thing I can conclude is that Jeep changed the QuadraDrive system since the early 1990s). However, the QuadraDriveII along with the stability control works awesome. Better than my Audi and BMW X5. This combo will blow away anything out there. The 4Lo is just a plus--I don't think I'll ever need it.
Maybe check out www.wkjeeps.com to see if they can help.
Not sure about the $7,000 price tag. That's probably reasonable but I'd check a couple of the used car websites; (kbb.com) for on.
tidester, host
-Paul
I'm not positive on this one but I believe there are even different wire harnesses depending on model. Hence the connectors may be different depending on the radio.
The "highline" vehicles will tend to have a greater number of speakers which also affects the wire harness\connections.
I believe you also run into issues with the steering wheel mounted radio controls and DVD hookups.
I'm not saying it's impossible to do this, it's just not simple.
The MB R-Class vehicle and the new M-Class SUV were at the show, but I cannot say I'm crazy about either. The Korean vehicles (Kia and Hyundai) looked quite good for their prices. The new hybrids, Lexus RX-400H and Highlander, were also on display; again, they don't grab me.
So, nothing at the show beats Quadra-Drive II, the Hemi, and DHS. We'll just have to wait for the latter. Oh, I forgot to mention the Land Rover Sport--looks great and probably performs great, but it costs about twice as much as the JGC.
resurface rotors 2 times, replaced rotors twice. 5 occurrence: latest is need to replace rotors again 12 months and 15 days since replacement.
dailmer chrysler customer service desk won't do anything to help because it is 15 days over the 12 months. call center rep won't give me a person to escalate...
any suggestions on what i can do? 5 times is ridiculous.... customer service poor...
HELP!!!
0500302B - FRONT BRAKE PULSATION DURING LIGHT TO MODERATE BRAKE APPLICATION
Date: 12/16/02 (supersedes 0500302A Dated June 10, 2002)
Model Year(s): 1999-2002 (WJ models built May 11, 2002 and prior)
Description: Brake roughness or pedal pulsation when the brakes are applied. The customer may experience a vibration of the steering wheel, floor, seat, instrument panel, or a minor pedal pulsation (brake roughness) under light to moderate pedal application. The condition may be caused by excessive thickness variation of the brake rotor surface.
Details: This bulletin involves the replacement of both front brake rotors and caliper assemblies. NOTE: NEW BRAKE ROTORS MUST BE USED WITH THE NEW BRAKE CALIPERS.
Diagnosis:
1. Determine if the front brake vibration/pulsation is caused by excessive thickness variation of either front brake rotor.
2. If excessive thickness variation of the front brake rotor is at fault perform the Repair Procedure.
3. If this bulletin has already been performed, and front brake pulsation/vibration is present, do not perform the Repair Procedure. Investigate other possible cases for front brake pulsation/vibration.
Parts required:
52098672 Rotor (MSRP: $65.10 ea.)
05093174AA Caliper kit (Left & Right calipers, brake pads, attachment bolts, banjo sealing washers)
04318080AB Brake fluid (DOT3/MS-4574)
This is information I saved when I had my 2000 Grand. Hope this helps.
If you take this information to them, and talk to them nicely and professionally (perhaps another dealer too), you may be able to get it taken care of. If you bought this used, you may be able to ask why this TSB wasn't performed on this vehicle.
-Paul
What, exactly, were you testing?
tidester, host
any other avenue you guys can think of, let me know. if i have to pay for new rotors or fix my breaks (not the pads) every year, i am better off selling my car and never buysing jeep again...
Interestingly enough, I was able to get 63,000+ miles out of my original brakes and rotors, with just a little warp. My wife and I use engine compression braking down hills and downshift as needed. The Jeep transmissions are tough, so we let it do the work. Maybe we were just light enough on the brakes that the heat never really became a huge issue.
Maybe with better rotors and perhaps adjusting your driving style a little bit might help some too. However, if you are in stop/go traffic a lot, there isn't too much you can do. We had a 132 mile round trip commute to work every day, so we got a LOT of highway miles.
If you go to another dealer and talk to them professionally and courteously, express your concern about the issues even though you've had the TSB performed. See what can happen. If you go in there mad, they probably will do nothing to assist you. Since it is beyond warranty, they are under no obligation to do anything for you except what you pay for. Given the closeness to the expiration, I would do it if I were them, if for no other reason than positive PR.
-Paul
D/C can not make a rotor to stand up to normal usage. They should pay to correct their design problem. This is one reason I will probably never buy another D/C product.
Bill
I am the former owner of an 03 TrailBlazer that was recently totaled in an accident. I am now looking for a new SUV am considering the Grand Cherokee 4WD. I am looking at the Laredo with the option package that includes the leather interior. What I am looking for info on is first, the 3.7L engine. I am not going to be towing anything, but is this engine reliable and does it have enough power to keep up with this vehicle hauling a family around? Are there any known problems with this engine? I am looking for good economy, as I do a lot of miles, and power isn't a concern as long as it's adequate. I don't need to win any races, but don't want to get run over either LOL. What is everyone getting for mileage with this engine? Are there any options or features that I should be certain to get or certain to avoid? What is a reasonable amount to expect to take off the sticker of a GC priced at $32,870? I will be taking the $2500 plus the $1000 financing cash. Anything else anyone wants to add will be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.
Todd