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It does answer a lot of things.
For those of you who will wait for it, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. If you're negotiating for a MY2002 now, I'd suggest you go for a discount $xxx under MSRP. Most dealers will honor this, but won't be able to tell you what MSRP is for a while. Be prepared to wait until late November or early December though...
But then I keep coming back to the fact that what I really want is an M-Class. I've never owned an MB before. For the last 23 years we've only owned Volvos and have been amazed at their durability, reliability and longevity. A year ago we gave our 84 with 220K to a friend in New York who then moved to CA and is still driving it with no problems. I still have my 86 740 with 227K and absolutely no major problems. It won't die. However, I'm moving to a mountain in northern VA that gets a fair amount of snow and so I want 4WD. The problem is the nearest dealer will be about an hour away in Tysons Corner and I've read here that their reputation is not the best. The next nearest one, recommended by posters here, is in Bethesda, Maryland, Euromotorcars. That drive could be close to an hour and a half.
I've read some who post experiences indicating that they've never really had any major problems with their ML, but lots of little ones requiring lots of trips back to the dealer. If that were to be my experience, it would really be exasperating, since it would involve a lot of time and inconvenience.
My other concern is, will I be able to get 250K out of a ML320 without major repairs as I have in both of my Volvos? Do any of you remember the Police Department in England that bought a fleet of 320s? I think it was posted about a year to a year and a half ago. It would be great to contact them and see how theirs are holding up, since theirs are surely getting high mileage and heavy duty use.
I would really appreciate any comments from owners regarding my concerns and it would be outstanding if someone knows where that post is, at least providing the town in England where that PD is.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post.
Lenny Bianchi
http://www.worldoffroad.com/vehicles/merc4x4.asp
Supposedly, already in use in Lancashire Constabulary.
-Jamie
AFAIK, the smart key will be there.
Thank you very much for these links! Wow, I can't believe someone responded within 20 minutes! Cheers.
Lenny Bianchi
Even though I only live about 15 minutes away from the dealer it is a hassle to remove your valuables from the truck everytime and I try to wait until I get 2 to 3 problems or until the next FSS comes up to go.
... Harry
abiyoyo2
Has anybody heard of anything like this before???????
Thanks,
Drew
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2002 models will start production as of the 3rd decade of MAY, in other words from about May 20th onwards for cars coming from Germany. This means we shall see the new models here in July.
The 2002 SL's (last year for this body) are already being produced and are available as standard and the special silver arrow package that has been widely publicised. 1400 silver arrow SL 500's will be made only 100 SL 600 silver arrows will be made.
2 color changes to report - as of sept 1st glacier white changes to alabaster white and aspen green changes to everest green. Whether this means there is no glacier white or aspen green form the start of MY 2002 production till sept 1st or there is until sept 1st is not clear as yet.
designo - for MY 2002 slate blue on the CLK is no longer available, at this point it does not say what the replacement will be. Also, Goldenrod and copper packages are scrapped on the SLK, again no replacement news yet.
There are already productions slots showing for 2002 E class 4matics, these are being built as of the 2nd decade of may. They get built earlier as they are shipped to Austria I believe to have the 4 matic installed.
ML 430 is replaced by ML 500, I have the option pricing on the 2002 but not the standard changes as yet. The 2001 MY prodution ends mid June on MLs and the MY 2002 production starts up July 1st.
Dealers will start getting produciton slots on MY 2002 cars as of tomm, thus, full product ordering guides will be coming in any time now. Rick will pass on to me any info he gets and I will post immeadiately.
By the way he has a 2001 silver/charcoal CLK 55 he is selling at MSRP, the car is brand new. It was something to see my 55 next to that one, 2 CLK 55's next to each other, a rare site indeed.
ML 320 -
1. Metallic paint - $495
2. Bose with CD changer - $1200
3. Xenons with washers - $875
4. Parktronic - $1,015
5. Rosen rear seat Entertainment system - accersory
6. Integrated motorola digital timeport - accesory
7. heated front seats - $635
8. M1 - $1,635
9. M2 - new feature memory feature for power external mirrors - $1,275
10.M5 - new feature power rear quarter windows -$1295
11.M7 - with cloth $975 with leather $1,180
12 M6 - $3,350
ML 500 -
1. Metallic paint - $495
2. Bose with CD changer - $1200
3. Xenons with washers - $875
4. Parktronic - $1,015
5. Rosen rear seat Entertainment system - accersory
6. Integrated motorola digital timeport - accesory
7. heated front seats - std.
8. M1 - N/A
9. M2 - N/A
10.M3 - ML convenience (memory feature power front seats, rain sensor, power folding exterior rearview mirrors, memory feature for power external mirrors - $800
11. M5 - sunroof, power rear quarter mirrors -$1,295
12. M7 - $1,180
13. M6 - $3,350
ML 55 -
Parktronic is the only new option at $1,015
Notes:
1. Parktronic available starting Sept production
2. new colors - alabaster white (starting sept production, no white before that), Andradite green (starting sept production), Capri Blue (starting august produciton), Orion blue
3. No white or orion blue on ML 55 or sport packages.
4. Still only charcoal leather on ML 55
5. designo cognac 4,100, mystic green 4,100 (no ML55)
6. MY 2001 production ends mid june, MY 2002 production starts first decade of july. Planned release sept 2001.
Hope this all helps,
Nabzy
Could you post info on option pricing? That would give us a hint at what is included as standard equipment.
p.s., for folks who asked me to email the 2002 info, I'd have to agree w/ Drew. It should be treated as confidential so the sources are protected. I will say that most of the rumors are true, but Autoweek is wayyy off; they're mixing in the MY2004 changes.
Better still have them submit the bill to BP.
ctic; a friend of mine said the same thing...how can they tell when gas is "bad"? Well, they said they emptied the tank and filled it up with new gas and voila the car worked. Don't know if they would save any for "proof". I don't see how I can get my car back without paying. I'll write to MB, BP and hope for the best.
On the other hand I would put the pressure on the dealer like this;
If the gas was indeed bad prove it to me and state so in writing because I will take legal action against the gas retailer and I will use your findings in court if I have to.
My lawyer wants (Bluff) your findings in paper so we can take action, if they produce, well you have a start, if they don't you have a case against the dealer,(by the following proposition; you are sure enough to charge me, but not sure enough to put in writting, which one is it) is a win win proposition if you present it like that.
How much gas you had in the tank, very little? did the vehicle started to hesitate shortly after?
the ML used for the Lancashire Constabulary police force has interesting 'black' accents instead of our wood. graphite almost ai ? hehe
dt77
http://fullspeed
From a scientific standpoint by a non-mechanic guy, I would ask: if the gas is bad, why would only 3 injectors fail? The car could be running now because the faulty injectors that came with the car have been replaced and they just happen to put in a new tank of gas. In other words, I'd like to know how they established the cause-and-effect linkage between the gas that Maristella has been using and the faulty fuel injectors. Retrospective speculation does not hold a lot of water and usually leaves a lot of room for reasonable doubts.
Good luck, Maristella , and keep us posted.
David
Where is the antenna, in the windshield? .. and has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks!
Both times on the Volvo it was the same error message that a plug misfired or was bad. The good news is it hasn't happened again since the car was over two months old.
Could you send send me a copy of the '02 information file too? I have a 2000 ML320 with all the options, plus some chrome add-ons, that I love, but someone wants to buy mine. So I think I'll wait for a '02. Any info is appreciated..
Thanks
Tell your dealer and MB if necessary that many ML owners are behind you in this. You could probably gather a bunch of electronic signatures from here to back you. I'll be willing to write a protest letter and you can e-mail, probably so will others and you can e-mail them all to the dealer and MB.
I went to my dealer accompanied by my husband and 5 pages of all your printed posts regarding this stinky "gas" problem. I felt 10 feet tall. I let Tony (my service advisor) do the talking first. He went through each and every listed item on my long bill with a calm and humble attitude. We just listened. Every word he said made perfect sense. So I said thanks, shook hands, paid the bill and walked out. I drove straight to the last gas station I filled. It was a Chevron, 2nd time I had used that gas station. Again, took my husband and my 4 page receipt from MB. Asked to talk to the manager...A kind, old man glanced at me and said "is it about the diesel?" I said "WHAT?, DIESEL? I guess so!" The owner was not there but he gave me her phone number and added my name to a list of "Bad Gas" clients affected by the diesel mixed in the gas pumps.
So I guess it can happen. Jmcdowell, you were right! I hope I get my money back.
I am soooo happy that it wasn't my ML's fault! I was tasting lemons when the poor thing had been fed with stinky gas!
I will write MB anyway because I agree it should be covered under warranty, at least part of it since it wasn't my fault either.
...to be continued.....
Mark
http://www.edmunds.com/chat/freewaychat.html
Here is a sample,
Click here for a few more pictures. I didnt have time for a write up.
http://www.exconde.com/city_lights.htm
I hardly had time to do these picture...
any questions feel free to ask.
Robert
amg@exconde.com
David
I have to agree with the other posters, the liability is with the gas station, not MB, Chevrons pockets are deep, if I was you I make sure they cover all the costs. It reminds me a similar case that happened to me in the 70's in NC, I got gas in a gas station one nigth in route to NJ, the gasoline had so much water in it, that after 20 minutes on I95 my car was losing power and spewing clouds of steam like an old steam locomotive. There is a crook in every corner.