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I will look at the 1.5 sport as the stickshift option, though I doubt you will find many on the lot, ever, but if I decide stick with the AT, will likely go for the EX model instead.
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I agree. At 35k Accord would lose buyers or pass on this vehicle , I'm sure Honda is well aware of where there ideal price range is on this vehicle . I'd say for under 30k this would be the ideal price range to nail down buyers looking for something with a little more enjoyment
If the V-6 model is being replaced ( which I haven't heard any talks of yet ) then Honda probably will raise pricing higher on the 2.0T models
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Of course, MSRP and average transaction price are two different things.
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LX: 22,455
Sport: 24,515
EX: 25,830
EXL: 28,920
EXL V-6: 30,995
Touring: 34,930
The current LX price-leader comes with a manual transmission, and doesn't have HondaSensing. When you add the CVT and Honda Sensing, an LX has an msrp of $24,255. All 2018 Accords are going to have HondaSensing standard, which used to be a $1000 option on most models. My guesses for the msrps before destination for the 2018 Accord are...
2018 Accord LX CVT Sensing: c. $25k.
2018 Sport 1.5 manual: c.27k
2018 Sport 2.0 manual: c. 28.5k
2018 Sport 2.0 10speed auto: c. 29.5k
EX 1.5 CVT: c. 28.5K
EXL 1.5: c. 31.5k
EXL 2.0: c. 33.5k
Touring 1.5: 33.5k
Touring 2.0: 35.5 k
Just guesses, of course. We'll probably find out in the next week or so.
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Really need at least equipment levels released so I can figure out which ones fit my needs. Though pricing will certainly come in handy.
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My wife's 2013 EXL Accord is more comfortable than my 2016 Accord EX. Don't get me wrong, the 2016 Accord EX is comfortable, with good seats covered in nice fabric, but the EXL is the next level.
Ditto, I'm afraid, with the sound systems. My 2016 Accord EX sound system is adequate, but....My wife's 2013 Accord EXL's sound system is actually nice. Easy for me to tell the difference. EX=sometimes slightly tinny and harsh EXL=richer and nicer sound, with much better bass.
The bottom line is that while an EX Accord is a good car for the money, and drives just as well, when it comes to seat comfort and sound, the Accord EXL is just better. But, obviously, you pay for that.
And, since you're as obsessed with seats as I am with visibility, I have to tell you that Honda's leather seats are better. It's not just that they are covered with different material, it's that they are more comfortable and more precisely contoured. So, because of your understandable focus on seats, I think you're going to need to try the EXL.
My wife's 2013 EXL Accord is more comfortable than my 2016 Accord EX. Don't get me wrong, the 2016 Accord EX is comfortable, with good seats covered in nice fabric, but the EXL is the next level.
Ditto, I'm afraid, with the sound systems. My 2016 Accord EX sound system is adequate, but....My wife's 2013 Accord EXL's sound system is actually nice. Easy for me to tell the difference. EX=sometimes slightly tinny and harsh EXL=richer and nicer sound, with much better bass.
The bottom line is that while an EX Accord is a good car for the money, and drives just as well, when it comes to seat comfort and sound, the Accord EXL is just better. But, obviously, you pay for that.
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(2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo 6-speed) w/ sports app. and track handling a $5500 option for
Invoice
$39,535
MSRP
$41,695
Could Honda take sales from this model???/
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I the 2018 mazda6 will be in for trouble with the new arrival of the 2018 Accord Sport 2.0 manual: @28.5k
Yes, this model in particular is what I think of as the "Car and Driver Special." It's going to be made and sold in very small numbers, but it's a good bet that one of them is going to be sent to Car and Driver. The 2.0 with the type R Turbo with the 6-speed manual is their weapon to stay on the Ten Best List imho.
I think Honda will end up selling quite a lot of the 2.0 Sport with the all-new 10-speed auto, although who knows how that transmission is going to work out. Too many gears??
For the current generation, the "Sport" has very good tires, but aside from that it's an appearance package, and the power is not impressive from the current 2.4. That 2.4 NA gives good power for a family sedan, and I really like it, but....the 2.0 is going to be a whole different level. That 2.0 Accord "Sport" is probably going to earn that "Sport" name for the first time.
The new 1.5 turbo in the 2018 Accord is similar to the Si's turbo, and it will probably be a little faster than the 2.4, but not by much.
"Sep 18, 2017 - MARYSVILLE, OH
Associates at Honda of America Mfg., Inc. (HAM) today celebrated the start of mass production of the all-new 2018 Honda Accord...."
http://hondanews.com/releases/honda-to-add-300-new-jobs-invest-267-million-to-support-increased-auto-manufacturing-in-ohio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcJAfgPyeAU&t=362s
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What is the HP on the 2018, 2.0T Accord
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-honda-accord-officially-revealed-news
The 2.0-liter is derived from the 306-hp engine currently found under the hood of the 2017 Civic Type R, although with output reduced for duty in the Accord. Honda tells us this goes beyond “detuning,” as its innards have been considerably revised or replaced, including the turbocharger hardware. Rated at 252 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque, it gives up 26 horsepower to the V-6 it replaces but offers up 21 lb-ft more torque. Extracting maximum power from the new 2.0-liter requires 6500 rpm (versus 6200 for the V-6), but peak torque is available between 1500 and 4000 rpm. (The V-6 didn’t deliver max torque until 4900 rpm.) Honda says it will be able to run on regular-octane gasoline, although likely with reduced performance. Both engines employ variable valve timing and high-efficiency, low-inertia turbos for quicker spooling.
The Accord can also be equipped with a new 2.0-liter 16-valve DOHC direct-injected turbo with i-VTEC® valvetrain paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission or, in Sport trim, to the 10AT or an available 6MT. The new 2.0-liter turbo, sharing much of its design with the race-bred 2017 Civic Type R, produces 252 HP at 6,500 rpm and 273 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm, compared to 278 HP at 6,200 rpm and 252 lb.-ft. at 4,900 rpm for the 3.5-liter V6 that it replaces.
Both turbocharged engines utilize a host of new technologies, including high-efficiency low-inertia turbos, variable valve timing, low-pressure-loss air intake and high-accuracy direct injection, to deliver immediate and powerful response along while still anticipated to receive top level fuel economy ratings. The two new automatic transmissions – the CVT for the 1.5-liter engine and new 10AT for the 2.0-liter engine – take greater advantage of available torque while maximizing quietness and efficiency during highway cruising. The redesigned CVT has an 11 percent lower ratio compared to the current version for more powerful launch performance, while the new 10AT is 22 lbs. lighter, has a 68 percent wider overall ratio range with a 43 percent lower first gear, and a 17 percent taller top gear compared to the current Accord's six-speed automatic.
http://hondanews.com/honda-automobiles/channels/accord-press-releases/releases/dramatic-design-of-reimagined-2018-honda-accord-signals-new-direction-for-america-s-retail-best-selling-midsize-sedan
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If you want one of the first ones, my guess for a 36 month lease on a 2018 Accord Sport 2.0 manual (if you can even find one) would be c. $350 a month, but that would be with c. $2500 due at signing.
https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-a6/trims-and-specs
2018 A6 FWD
Starting at $49,700
Horsepower (@ rpm)
252 @ 5,000 - 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)
273 @ 1,600 - 4,500
Acceleration (0 – 60 mph)
6.7 seconds
But the base model 2018 A6 weighs 3803 pounds, while the 2018 Accord 2.0 Sport is probably going to weigh about 3400 pounds. That 400 pound difference will likely mean that the Accord 2.0 will be a little bit faster than the Audi A6. Speed isn't everything, of course, but it can be kind of fun. And sometimes in passing situations it's nice to know it's there.
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Plus, if you put premium gas in it, you might get that 10 hp back....? Unlike the 2.0, which is related to but significantly different from the Type R 2.0, I think the 1.5 in the Accord is almost identical to the 1.5 in the Si. The main difference is that the Si recommends premium to get that extra power. My guess is if that you put premium in the Accord 1.5, the computer would sense that and give you a bit of an extra boost.
The key is weight reduction, which Honda has done significant work on for this generation....This is where Honda pulls a little bit away from the Ford Fusion or the VW Passat. The Fusion and Passat are both good cars, but they weigh a few hundred pounds more for comparable models—and that weight hurts mpg and acceleration.
"The 2018 Accord's new body structure is lighter and more rigid, utilizing 29 percent ultra-high-strength steel, the most extensive application of this weight-saving material in any current mass-produced Honda car. Overall, the new Accord employs 54.2 percent high strength steel (above 440 MPa). Key body features include the latest generation of Honda's Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure with crash stroke front frame, tailor-tempered rear frame members for improved crash-energy absorption, and the extensive use of structural adhesives for increased rigidity, cabin quietness and weight reduction. Total vehicle weight is down between approximately 110 to 176 pounds, depending on trim, while body torsional and bending rigidity are improved 32 and 24 percent, respectively, aiding ride quality, cabin quietness, and dynamic performance."
http://hondanews.com/honda-automobiles/channels/accord-press-releases/releases/dramatic-design-of-reimagined-2018-honda-accord-signals-new-direction-for-america-s-retail-best-selling-midsize-sedan
I'm curious to see if acceleration times are much different between the Honda and Audi A4.
When I did the head to head on both 18 Audi6, and 17 Accord . The Accord beat the 6 in every size leg rm / head/ shoulder. Only rear head rm went to Audi by .3 of a inch.
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That's a different level of engineering than the Accord and most other cars.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XOUYNMEHQ