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I’ve always seen (environmental AntiFA types as graphically symbolized by) GORE like satellite TV evangelists. I still love how (the comedian) Robin Williams had a routine about them. Little did he know that he was really making fun of the likes of ...Al Gore. Can I get an hay men?
Indeed ! There were indeed hosts of the HATERS/critics decades or more ago! Most of the arguments (preposterous to begin with) to all of the arguments have come crashing down. Some of those folks even post regularly on this board. The overwhelming majority of PVF buyers reluctantly, logically, etc., etc., voted with their $$’s & have come around to buying understanding how it fits into niche to many lifestyles, like those like us who have liked the SUV’s for much longer.
Not that I would buy another sedan on G/P, diesel sedans can/do present opportunities.
A lot of the hidden stuff is now coming to light. So for one example, it is good that the EPA mpg standards are now being dismantled. This of course causes YUGE, YUGE conniption fits! To me, what it may mean: OEMs should not now be forced to make huge #’s of non wanted & non-profitable small cars, just because it’s “small and gets theoretically better” mpg. One unintended consequence might also be that the cars that are sold might actually GET better mpg & be more profitable. Another consequence might be having to sell less cars.
I have a few beefs with that claim.
Two main ones:
1) Emissions of manufacturing, including the batteries.
2) Emissions from the electricity generated to charge the car.
So why the zero emissions BS?
And yeah, "Zero Emissions" is a technicality at best, if not actual deception by playing on greenie sympathies. The easily offended set cried about "clean diesel", but this gets a pass. You'll see the same badging on Nissan Leaf too.
Just keep it up....
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Toyota is an interesting subject though, tries so hard for a pious green image with Prius and hybrid variants, but actually has many diesel variants in other markets . Almost like diesel isn't really evil.
Toyota has been making diesels & in many models for a very long time! It’s almost a no-brainer to say Toyota has made, by large factors more diesels & gasoline models than hybrids, EV’s.
Even Edmunds.com says the 2017 Toyota Highlander (gasoline/hybrid) is not worth the extra $$’s ! DIESEL HATER’S should note that’s after three decades ! Sure it does post, what 5 mpg better (than what? 21-22 mpg?) ? If Toyota only depended on Hybrids/EV’s, it would implode/collapse. Three decades later, Toyota will STILL neither confirm nor deny making profits on Prius gasoline-hybrids. I’m sure that including massive documented & private ruling tax advantages.
Again, late model PVF diesels are not evil, despite any to all efforts to demonize them. It takes no brains to understand that greater %’s & volumes of gasoline/ethanol are burnt when substituted for diesels ! There are no emissions controls for ethanol. I present MB GLK=PUG 23/24 mpg/GLK250 BT ULSD 36/38 mpg.
I can summarize any number of bullet points pointing the way to diesel being only one of many crisis du jour.
But look at this yippee yahoo oil production article ! https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/u-s-oil-exports-could-derail-the-global-oil-rally-says-energy-expert.html?__source=yahoo|finance|headline|story|&par=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
Be that as it may, here is the latest 2018 TLC diesel. https://www.toyotacarusa.com/2016/12/2018-toyota-land-cruiser-diesel-specs-and-price.html
Geez, 4.5 L V8 diesel with 401 # ft? VW makes 401 # ft with 2 less cylinders & 1.5 L’s less (-33%) VW, MB, et al., would’ve turn this V8 into a torque ... BEAST! (601 # ft just to match L output)
Only NOW mating the (fantastic) 8 speed A/T (Aisin, I presume) that they've own the rights to & made for a very long time. It’s perfect for 400+ # ft, but a bit on the unsafe side for 600+ given 620 # ft capacity.
Regarding oil production, let's hope it happens - oil price spikes can cause economic chaos, remember the late summer of 2008, I recall paying $4.50 or more for PUG.
There is a few gossipy tidbits and speculation about the release date of this 2018 Tundra show. In any case, we couldn’t confirm the correct release date. However, the talk said that it would hit the market in the firs quarter 2017. The starting MSRP for Toyota Tundra Diesel 2018 will be around $29,450 for Tundra SR, and for Tundra Limited, and Tundra Platinum it will be $38,170 for Limited and $46,030 for the Platinum.
Did I sleep through the first quarter of last year? I cannot find a single Toyota diesel in any vehicle. Face it Toyota is like Honda, not smart enough to build a diesel that can get past the EPA and CARB.
Interesting (rethink) ethanol article ? https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/04/08/u-s-ethanol-policy-under-siege/#3da68302115b
E10, E15, E85, to E100, post less mpg than any blend/straight gasoline, gasoline hybrid. Currently there are ZERO emissions controls on ethanol emissions, despite massive exemptions by EPA/CARB, et al. Using real PUG/RUG are both a no brainer way & low hanging fruit recovering higher mpg. Indeed the manufacture of ethanol generates MASSIVE amounts of C02. I’m sure this irony is not lost on the EPA/CARB regulators.
The monarch butterfly’s hobbyists course is clear, buy/plant/cultivate real estate needed or partner with farmers to feed the hobby insects... milkweed.
Are (modular, scaleable & local) electrical grids coming to you? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/04/08/your-local-farmer-will-replace-the-oil-and-electric-companies-if-a-purdue-prof-gets-his-way/#1f2b238467bd
Indeed diesel can be chemically made to order @ any/the POS (point of sale), with access to natural gas.
As for the Purdue professor making solar panels for green houses. The Brits have had it for a decade. Also university in CA is going to be putting their solar electric Greenhouse on the market if they haven't already. I would buy one if they get them to market soon.
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/solar-greenhouse-could-change-way-we-eat
Noteworthy, there were absolutely no side-by-side comparison tests with gasoline, gasoline hybrids: no data!
Honda to launch clean diesel in the U.S. within three years.
Next-generation diesel meets the strictest emissions requirements.
SEPTEMBER 31, 2006 AT 5:00 PM BY BARRY WINFIELD
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/honda-to-launch-clean-diesel-in-the-us-within-three-years-car-news
https://www.yahoo.com/news/getting-first-look-2020-chevy-142521272.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fiat-chrysler-u-justice-dept-diesel-emissions-settlement-235436331.html Fiat Chrysler “diesel gate”?
According to the WSJ, this 2010 photo shows a portion of RARE EARTH minerals mining for EV’s in China.
German diesels. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/11/reuters-america-update-1-germanys-merkel-skeptical-about-hardware-refits-for-diesel-cars.html
Looking at that poor fellow above. What do you suppose the life expectancy is for that sort of slave labor while smoking.
I understand the China government almost wholly owns the tobacco trade. Tobacco use is prevalent. It might also serve as a tool of population (slave labor) control.
Japanese researchers have mapped vast reserves of rare earth elements in deep-sea mud, enough to feed global demand on a "semi-infinite basis," according to a fresh study.
The deposit, found within Japan's exclusive economic waters, contains more than 16 million tons of the elements needed to build high-tech products from mobile phones to electric vehicles, according to the study, released Tuesday in the journal Scientific Reports.
https://phys.org/news/2018-04-japan-team-semi-infinite-rare-earth.html
The diesel answer has been hidden in plain sight all along!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bay-area-housing-prices-high-193416565.html
My garage door opener needed an A/E23, and Target carries it! But I bought from Amazon not knowing that. Learning all about odd and rare sized batteries lately.
yes, XwesX, the 2017 cruze DEF refill is behind the fuel door in 2017 cruze, adjacent to the diesel refill cap. The dealer seems to top off the DEF at the free-oil-changes too. Almost ready for 2nd free oil change.
Snag a 2018 diesel stickshift cruze while you still can: For 2019 reportedly they will all be slushboxes. Boo.
Bonus points for Russian King #1 in a posting above for using the word "conniption".
In other news - crashed my 05 GTO, first front-end crash in 40 years of much-driving. it's totalled but drivable. It needs $10k body work in the front and still looks better than a 2018 camaro SS.
Crash happened in a 'blind' intersection where a guy turned left as I went straight, and then stopped in the middle of the intersection when we finally saw each other. It was blind intersection due to huge truck also turning left, occluding everyone's view. Be careful out there !
Now that the gasoline/diesel/EV hybrid are actually ready for prime time, committing to one for the next 12 years can be sketchy at best. The “better” alternative advanced by the environmental types, seems to be the EV. (NOT, ready for prime time!) Still, advantage diesel!
Indeed, despite the fact that the (Pacific) oceans are composed of salt, ocean salt mining (Leslie Salt, over 100 years?) in the SF Bay Area has been/is considered environmentally bad “unsustainable” . My take is that it was a federal land grab.
Sorry to hear of your accident! I hope you were not hurt.
I am strongly considering the Cruze diesel... definitely stick. I have done some casual browsing and prices on them are already quite reasonable. I will probably put my Q7 up for sale within the next month, but not sure if I want to immediately swap into a Cruze or maybe wait another winter and just use the 08 Forester. For some reason, I am having a hard time stomaching the idea of going back to that car.
Also, the MB AMG 63 (GLC 300) using the V8 (turbocharged, 479 # ft) is also app 2 x the price $$’s of either the 2012 VW Touareg TDI (32 mpg) , or the 2014 MB GLK 250 BT. (36/38 mpg) That’s a whole lotta more moohlah for all the hooplah.
Anything short of this - bogus? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sweden-modified-road-recharge-evs-214300621.html
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He's retired from GM worked somewhere around Nashville TN. Moved to Las Vegas and a year later to Pahrump.