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I’ve been driving the wife’s Volvo more often recently, so I’ll get out of that and realize how rewarding a sports sedan (or wagon in this case), is to drive.
And of course the Q7 is much more like that than the Discovery, so I just start thinking, “Hmm...”
Theoretically, if I find a slightly used Q7 and the values are similar, I simply pay the profit the dealer has to make and I’m in and out. Easy peasy.
In theory of course. Reality may be different. And all the reasons I chose the Discovery over the Q7 initially are still relevant - I just have to get over the dismal dealership experience.
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
They had committed to replacing the bumper cover due to some fairly minor damage during transit. It’s all good now, but the process wasn’t as smooth as I would have expected.
And coming home from vacation to a dead battery turned into a bit of an ordeal, ultimately resulting in a bad battery being replaced.
The “bedside manner” of the service department just leaves a whole lot to be desired. And there are fewer choices in dealers than most other makes.
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The obvious error on my part, considering my habits, is buying a luxury car new, which breaks one of my primary rules.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
Right now getting a few bills but mostly explanations from my insurance company saying in big letters, "this is not a bill" up at the top. So, just need to see where I end up owing and then go from there. Am hoping my out of pocket won't be over $5K to be honest. Will not go into my retirement accounts to pay for any of it so will have to see how it all pans out.
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
My wife bought a 3 year old Cadillac (with a 4 year warranty) in 2001. So we had a few interactions with the service department, nothing major. I was overwhelmed, in a very positive way. I understood, for the first time, why people would pay so much for a luxury car. All my experiences with dealer service departments up until then had been Mopar, Ford, and Chevy. The difference was truly night and day.
Then, in 2008, my wife bought the new Passat. And the service department at West Houston Volkswagen rivaled the Cadillac dealer. Absolutely outstanding, in every way. I brought in the car once for something minor, and the general manager came out to greet me and ask about my experience. Having had a little experience in management, I asked him how he achieved that level of excellence, day in and day out.
He said something along the lines of, “It’s simple, really. I pay the most, and I expect the most, and I stay on top of it. Every day.”
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I had to point out, I was spoiled, and I couldn't believe "Kia had the gall to inconvenience me without a loaner car during my oil change service." I had forgot how non-luxury makes operated.
A free rental is no match for a loaner. One is about 30 minutes faster (less wasted time) than the other.
Assuming v6 Q7, about $52k vs $59k.
On the Audi, so $52k to $59k is the range for 2018 3.0Ts, from Premium Plus up to Prestige?
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I just spoke to him briefly last night. I'll find out!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
He called me from the F&I office. He asked me about the tire & wheel insurance for $2,300. I told him to politely decline. Then his wife called me back and was feeling the pressure of the F&I. I told her to stick $2,300 in a savings account and self insure.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Thank you very much, from what I have read you seem to be a great source for such knowledge.
assuming 12k miles per year, a 2012 optima with 49k vs a 2015 mazda3 with 44k are you comparables. I see about an $800 advantage to the mazda when looking at the mazda3i and about $2k for the mazda3s vs the Optima SX.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Based on this, the Mazda3 is what I should look to get into. I am surprised that you mentioned they are valued around the same at auction given that the Optima SXL starts out so expensive.
It also costs about 400 more per year to insure the 2015 Optima, and would not include mechanical coverage. Since the Mazda3 is CPO, it is covered.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
That's actually pretty in line with the estimate I get from Edmunds and KBB.
From your experience, about how much you think the trade in value will drop in another 6-8 months? I will probably put another 10K mile into the car.
I am pretty set to trade it in for a crossover but not sure if it is better to do it now or later where the trade in value will be lower but I might get better deal on the new car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Looking for trade in values on two vehicles:
2007 Saturn Sky Redline, manual transmission, black/black, 30k miles. Leather, Upstate NY area. Has a small scrape on the front quarter panel, and needs new tires. I'd rate it a 3.5/5.
2012 Volvo S60 T6 AWD, blue exterior, black interior, 63k miles, xenons, BLIS. I'd rate it a 4/5.
Any opinion if the Sky is something I should try to sell on my own instead of trading in?
Thanks!
I 200% support selling the skyline yourself. you have a rare car there that dealers won't want but, if marketed in the right places, you could do far far better on. You might get $7k-$8k from a dealer, if that. My opinion would be to maybe even put that one on BaT with a $9k reserve and hope it approaches $11k. It may go well beyond that for all I know.
$9500-$10k on the Volvo. If you own that outright, I think that could be a good private sale, too. The S60 T6 is not terribly common. Possibly list on swedespeed. Ask $13,995 and see what happens.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have a 2016 Town and Country, and I'll admit it's not a lot of fun, but jeez that thing is practical. If something happened to this one, I would have to buy another one.
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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