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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 16
    Yes, I’m not sure to this day why I enjoy driving at night.

    There are literally too many disadvantages. DUI, cars and the night seem to be unwise choices. A lot of people don’t have good night vision. Headlamps have been designed for speeds of 55mph. It’s always wise to drop approximately 10% & sometimes more off ones speed. In certain parts of the country, during the night animals seem drawn to roadways. I’m sure the list goes on and on.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,092
    ab's story makes me think about a similar situation (with a UPS tractor) I experienced many years ago (July 1999) while traveling toward Chicago on I90.

    It was probably 0300, there was very little traffic on the road. I was driving my old 1969 C20, just bopping along at 65mph. Over time, I slowly approached this semi ahead, so I could see it for miles and miles. When i was probably a quarter-mile back, I noticed that the lights started to drift a little to the left, then a little to the right, then whip back center for a while before drifting again.

    I sped up a little to get to the point of passing faster. By the time I came up on him, he drifted heavily into the left lane before pulling right, then onto the shoulder, etc. In other words, he was getting bad!

    I waited back there for a minute or so, getting the guy's rhythm down and flashed my lights, honked, etc. When he started correcting right after having drifted into the left lane, I laid on the truck, passed him as quickly as possible while blaring the horn, got in front, swerved around a little while honking, and suddenly the truck straightens out, the guy toots his horn a few times, then immediately slowed and took the next exit.

    Hopefully, he remembers that incident as well as I do, because I think he was within minutes of wrecking that beast.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    I see lots of people who are maybe mentally not awake, but not technically asleep.

    This is amusing - I guess it can only go one way, if drivers were any less aggressive here, they'd curl up and take a nap.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 16
    I’m reminded of a discussion we had down here between friends, (some retired LEO’s) when one is doing “it”, one is the smartest driver on the planet. From the perspective of watching: one of the dumbest drivers/moves on the planet. Somewhere in the middle or even left and right is the truth. I’ve always approached it from the standpoint of view: legally defensible/defensive driving
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    Like the old George Carlin line about everyone going faster than me is insane, and everyone going slower is an idiot.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 17
    While George Carlin has been a good graphic, staticstics have proven time & time again that (inappropriate) speed kills/injures in app less than 20% fatalities/accidents. This of course indicates that the majority (80% to PLUS) of fatalities/accidents occur well within or below the speed limits. I’m sure that most people see the “speed kills” myths & irony in this. As a practical measure, most people do not exceed the 85 percentile natural rule anyway. (85 % tile= overwhelming majority?)

    Indeed, The optics make strong graphics for states legalizing marijuana wanting to keep the fatalities/accident statistics abnormally high. The states of course can point at the new boogie man. (Huey Lewis and the News; I’ve got a new drug) This hypocrisy is beyond the pale, that defies logic, human decency and emotion. On the other hand, the DWI fatality injury rates @ 50 % has steadily been going down @ now less than 40%, albeit slowly.
  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownPosts: 1,126
    ab348 said:

    My witnessing an asleep at the wheel incident happened maybe 10 years ago. One afternoon I was on a divided expressway with a large grassy median separating the two roadways that was in the shape of a shallow valley. Traffic was light and I was in the left lane doing about 70mph, having been some distance behind a late model Honda Civic for a while. I noticed the Honda drifting gradually to the left, onto the paved, then gravel shoulder, before continuing left and making its way onto the grass. The grassy area was not perfectly smooth so the Civic began experiencing a series of bumps before encountering a larger one that got it slightly airborne. I had let off the gas during all this so my speed was probably less than his when all this happened. After the big bump the driver regained control, slowed, and began piloting the Honda back towards the roadway as I went past. The guy was incredibly lucky not to have done serious damage to himself, the car, and others on the road.

    I'll wager his underwear had some serious damage. :D
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    Let’s hear it for “depends” 😎
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    This evening I was on a busy arterial, right lane, with traffic in the left lane backing up for an approaching turn lane. Ahead of me, a Camry decides to jam on the brakes and try to squeeze into the left lane. Of course, it couldn't fit, so I got to hit the brakes and swerve (while laying on the horn, of course). To make it even better, a Prius behind me, following a little close, had to really dive on the brakes to stop, I could see it trying - they must not stop well. Horn works.
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,975
    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards.

    I've found an analogy.

    Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 121,907
    andres3 said:

    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards.

    I've found an analogy.

    Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.

    And extending that analogy, how many batters go on the DL if they are plunked with a 60-70 MPH knuckleball or curve ball? How many when hit by the high heater? Especially at or near the head?

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,873
    edited January 19
    andres3 said:
    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards. I've found an analogy. Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens. When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.
    Were you hit with a fastball or just don’t remember high school physics?

    Speed limits are usually under posted, but to think driving at 100 MPH is safer than 50 under the same conditions is just flat out nuts.  


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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 128,420
    tjc78 said:


    andres3 said:

    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards.

    I've found an analogy.

    Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.

    Were you hit with a fastball or just don’t remember high school physics?

    Speed limits are usually under posted, but to think driving at 100 MPH is safer than 50 under the same conditions is just flat out nuts.  




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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 19
    A fair #/% of drivers learned
    tjc78 said:


    andres3 said:

    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards.

    I've found an analogy.

    Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.

    Were you hit with a fastball or just don’t remember high school physics?

    Speed limits are usually under posted, but to think driving at 100 MPH is safer than 50 under the same conditions is just flat out nuts. ‘... 



    If one thinks that he is saying that (what you assert), (last sentence) one is absolutely wrong. Indeed, I have address that issue more (than once) using IN/APPROPRIATE speed. So SPEED can be IN/APPROPRIATE at 1, 50 mph or 100 mph, etc. I’m guessing MOST folks understand this?

    Of course, speed limits are under posted ! To say that conveys little to no information. Really do you post the same speed limit in a clover leaf curve for a 80,000 pound tractor-trailer load in a cloverleaf, as one does for a +1 g Corvette ZR1?

    So using your logic, 80%+ plus of fatalities/accidents happen @ or below speed limits! ? That is truly a very very poor argument for ... speed limits.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,873
    @ruking1
    I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.  

    @andres3 said he felt that driving slower is less safe than driving faster. 

    I simply don’t agree with that statement 

    I never mentioned anything about percentages or that more fatalities occur under the speed limit.  

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 19
    I’m responding to what you were asserting, ... with figures & facts. So if I have misstated/understood what you were asserting, please let me know.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 10,897
    Yesterday I pulled up to a 2-lane stoplight. I was in the straight-ahead lane and was next to a young lady in a Veloster in the left turn lane. I noticed as I approached that her left brake light was out (I see a lot of burned-out rear lights in Hyundais for some reason). As we were exactly beside each other I tried to get her attention to roll down her passenger window so I could advise her of the light. Forget it. Her face was buried in her phone and she was texting/posting something and never looked up. But what qualifies her for this discussion (even though using a mobile device when behind the wheel is illegal here) is that when the light changed and the car in front of her moved forward, so did she - without visibly looking up from her phone. She kept texting head down while driving. Good way to run into someone or run some pedestrian over

    Minutes later I was home in my driveway, taking my groceries out of the trunk, when I heard loud engine noises coming my way. I looked up in time to see a small comapct of some sort, likely a Civic or a Mazda 3 , blow through the stop sign at what had to be 50mph. I mean he was really moving. Right on his bumper was a loud pickup of some sort, maybe a Chevy but not sure because it was moving so fast, also ignoring the sign. Keep in mind this is on a quiet 30mph limit residential street. They disappeared out of sight but not out of earshot, and it sounded like both were accelerating. I wanted to beat some sense into both of them. Very dangerous behavior.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,092
    kyfdx said:


    Physics are different in Alaska... :o

    That they are, but what does Alaska have to do with this?!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,092
    ab348 said:

    Yesterday I pulled up to a 2-lane stoplight. I was in the straight-ahead lane and was next to a young lady in a Veloster in the left turn lane. I noticed as I approached that her left brake light was out (I see a lot of burned-out rear lights in Hyundais for some reason). As we were exactly beside each other I tried to get her attention to roll down her passenger window so I could advise her of the light. Forget it. Her face was buried in her phone and she was texting/posting something and never looked up. But what qualifies her for this discussion (even though using a mobile device when behind the wheel is illegal here) is that when the light changed and the car in front of her moved forward, so did she - without visibly looking up from her phone. She kept texting head down while driving. Good way to run into someone or run some pedestrian over

    Minutes later I was home in my driveway, taking my groceries out of the trunk, when I heard loud engine noises coming my way. I looked up in time to see a small comapct of some sort, likely a Civic or a Mazda 3 , blow through the stop sign at what had to be 50mph. I mean he was really moving. Right on his bumper was a loud pickup of some sort, maybe a Chevy but not sure because it was moving so fast, also ignoring the sign. Keep in mind this is on a quiet 30mph limit residential street. They disappeared out of sight but not out of earshot, and it sounded like both were accelerating. I wanted to beat some sense into both of them. Very dangerous behavior.

    Craziness! ... on both counts, but definitely a road rage scenario with the two that blew the sign. it may have been worthwhile to call that one in to authorities, just so they could be on the lookout if in the general vicinity. Stuff like that is when people die - 1, 50, or 100, to put it in @ruking1 terms!

    I see people doing that texting crap all the time, and I lay on my horn every time I see it. I love how it startles them. LOL
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    No drivers of note other than the typical plodding timid souls who infest the roads here, but I think the all-knowing authorities doused some roads with de-icer again last night, as I had a crappy film on the windshield when driving in the damp this morning. It was almost 40F. Someone's brother in law must own a chemical company.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    This is both very believable and also hard to believe - from my experiences, OR is no better for driving than WA.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,092
    fintail said:

    This is both very believable and also hard to believe - from my experiences, OR is no better for driving than WA.

    Interesting. I must be quite backwards, because I find the best driving states to be those with relatively low population: Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, and I might even throw Alaska in there despite our frost-heaving tendencies. Oregon and even Washington are both rather pleasant driving as long as you're east of the Cascades.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 22
    fintail said:

    This is both very believable and also hard to believe - from my experiences, OR is no better for driving than WA.

    Yes, well put. I’ve had a pretty wide range of experiences in the lower 48 states & HI, CN, Mexico. I’ve always had the attitude; “when in Rome do as the Romans do”, so that may have really colored the driving perspective in general: bad/med/good. For some reason, I’ve always look forward to driving in any states major cities, as well as other roads.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    Exactly, OR and WA are pretty much the same to me, all dependent on where you are relative to the mountains. Eastern WA and OR are great road trip areas, with relatively sparse traffic, and scenery that relaxes me.
    xwesx said:


    Interesting. I must be quite backwards, because I find the best driving states to be those with relatively low population: Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, and I might even throw Alaska in there despite our frost-heaving tendencies. Oregon and even Washington are both rather pleasant driving as long as you're east of the Cascades.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 48,094
    On my trip a couple months ago, I drove for a day in Chicago, that was enough to get me on the L. I had no choice but to drive most of the time in Detroit, also no fun.

    I like visiting major cities with first world infrastructure to sample their light rail systems, Backroads are good for driving.
    ruking1 said:



    Yes, well put. I’ve had a pretty wide range of experiences in the lower 48 states & HI, CN, Mexico. I’ve always had the attitude; “when in Rome do as the Romans do”, so that may have really colored the driving perspective in general: bad/med/good. For some reason, I’ve always look forward to driving in any states major cities, as well as other roads.

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,975
    tjc78 said:

    @ruking1
    I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.  

    @andres3 said he felt that driving slower is less safe than driving faster. 

    I simply don’t agree with that statement 

    I never mentioned anything about percentages or that more fatalities occur under the speed limit.  

    Would you at least agree that depending on the situation and circumstances, slower could be less safe, and vice versa, faster could be less safe.

    The argument comes down to which more often holds true in the real world given all conditions and factors.

    I believe the data is crystal clear, speed limits under the 85th percentile KILL and MAIM people! The blood is on the hands of law makers and law enforcement that goes along with these shenanigans for the sole purpose of revenue generation (or some misguided and ignorant views on what is safe).
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,975
    tjc78 said:


    andres3 said:

    People in the past have scoffed when I mention driving slower is less safe because you increase your time-exposure to random hazards.

    I've found an analogy.

    Is it harder to hit a 100 MPH fastball, or a 50 MPH fastball? One is used for blasting homeruns during batting practice or homerun derby, while the other belonged to strikeout king pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    When I drive slow, I feel like a 50 MPH fastball, and all the bad drivers out there are targeting me. Be the 100 MPH fastball, make yourself hard to hit.

    Were you hit with a fastball or just don’t remember high school physics?

    Speed limits are usually under posted, but to think driving at 100 MPH is safer than 50 under the same conditions is just flat out nuts.  




    That's just it.... you can't have the "same conditions" at 50 or 100. People will drive at or around the 85th percentile speed regardless of the speed limit (or absence of one on the Autobahn), unless you have a cop on every block. Driving 50 MPH in the left lane of the Autobahn will likely get you killed faster than going 100 MPH in the same lane same conditions. It depends what those conditions are. We live in the real world. We interact with other humans and drivers.

    Besides, I wasn't advocating that everyone drive 100 MPH, just using that as an example using the baseball analogy for why going faster can and is safe (up to a limit; see SOLOMON curve).

    Physics..... Going faster lengthens your stopping distance and your ability to swerve around an object (increases distance traveled for reaction times). OK. No arguing that. However, the argument FAILS when you look at collision causation. How many people have told you "man, if only I was going 5 or 10 MPH slower, I could have stopped in time?" No one has told me that. I bet no one has told you that either. Accidents are not caused by stopping power (or lack thereof). Usually rear-end collisions are caused my simple lack of hitting the brakes at all (negating physics), or hitting them way too late (due to distraction). Could going slower reduce the collision power from accidents caused by distraction? Yes. However, I choose to focus on the cause, and eliminate the cause (distraction). Without allowing distraction while you are driving, you can make those risks of going faster become minuscule in comparison to other factors, like idiot drivers.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 23
    That is why NON/appropriate speed/s was/were used. On the normal daily commute, we’ve gone anywhere from 15 mph to 80 mph. Situationally, 15 mph might’ve been too fast, aka accident. 80 miles an hour might’ve been too slow, vice versa & in other combinations.

    The PIN (person in DEnial) use s/d non sequitur argument/s, as if preparing for the first grade school rehearsal debate. Yet, it’s inexplicable the PIN is in practice, that naïve!

    Now I’m OK with the fact that that may be ones’ opinion; that one may think it good for other people, but not for one.

    But as mentioned, the data is really quite clear. The government safety agencies have bemoaned the fact/myth that speed kills. Yet on the other hand, they can’t easily lie about the data. They will say that (non appropriate) speed is a dominate factor in about 20% - of fatalities/accidents. What they do leave OUT is that the 80% + better fatalities/accident are in compliance @ posted speed limits or below.

    Yet again data can be muddled. So for example, it is widely known that alcohol is involved in 40% of accidents fatalities. So (inappropriate) speed ( & other factors) can easily fall under the category of DWI. If modifying variables are really the cause, the 20% inappropriate speed can really be LESS; up to only 12%.

    Again, this is probably true in most major cities, but, in the LA metropolitan area: which is a HUGE bunch of real estate, the speed limit used to be 55 mph during the Nixon era. Naturally doom and gloom was forecasted if the speed limit EVER got to 60 miles an hour. So fast forward to 2019 and the speed limit of 65 mph with more normal speed is 75 to 85 mph the roads are SAFER than ever.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 9,237
    Not sure what is in the water around here, but SOMETHING is making drivers (and I use the term loosely) consider red lights to just be suggestions. And I can't just throw the "cell phone blanket" over them either. Most of the time it's just, "I want to turn/cross at the intersection, here I come".

    Being on high alert is tiring :@

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited January 23
    The cops teams could have informal pizza winning contests!. Competition with various members of SWAT teams happen all the time.

    Municipalities: city, county, unincorporated, state, federal, etc., can form multiple task forces to increase revenues ($250 to $500) apprehending the scofflaws. 3 to 5 officers can make a field day. One officer can be the observer/accusing officer. 2/4 (motorcycles best) officers can be catching cars in either/4 direction/s.
    https://www.ebtrialattorneys.com/penalties-running-red-light-california/

    If one doesn’t have anything to do, it would be fun to watch. Form a go fund to pay for the cops prizes.😎
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