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For those in other time zones, it starts about 6 hours from now.
-juice
When I only mentioned it to a tech at another dealer he said, "The throw-out bearings get really dry". It took a sixth trip to my original dealer for them to finally take the tranny apart and say it was a bad TO bearing.
Dennis
$200, eh? Could get a hitch, or a diffy protector and front shock tower brace, or a rear sway bar and a deflector, or...
Choices, choices.
-juice
To make up for my absence (well, kind of), I thought that you all might be interested in the following to URLs (off-topic though). You know how Jeep always mentions that all of their vehicles can survive the Rubicon? Well, it's true, but not without damage. Our resident M-class expert and off-road guru (who has written books on the JGC and M-class) took these pictures last year while he was with the Jeep engineers:
http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/rep_8223.html
http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/rep_8223wj.html
Drew
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Those don't even resemble stock, with noticeably taller springs, steel wheels, and high profile tires. Yet still they suffer severe damage, and would not have made it without repairs! So much for the Rubicon trail claims!
The ozzies have heavily modified Foresters, too. Skid plates, 4" lift, big wheels and tires with spacers, winches, etc. They also get low ranges stock, and remove front and rear bumpers (sound familiar now?).
So, what's the difference? About $10 grand.
-juice
Have they looked for gasoline in the oil pan? If some of the piston rings were installed with the gaps lined up by mistake, gasoline would get down into the pan. Also, enough oil could get into the combustion chamber to lower the octane rating of the gasoline and cause pinging. It wouldn't take much, and might not be visible. The gasoline in the pan would, of course be gasoline used but not burned.
Have they done a mass balance on the engine? They can set up and provide a known amount of fuel into the engine, and analyze the components of the exhaust gas with an "exhaust gas analyzer", of all things, preferably a multi gas model. They can then calculate how much gasoline was actually burned. This can tell them whether the burn consumption is within range. If it is then they need to look elsewhere, like a small leak. If it isn't, the problem is with the engine or a subsystem.
Just one other thought. Has anyone checked the valve lash to see if it is off, possibly too tight?
Keep the faith and try other mechanics. This problem can be solved. It would be fun for the right guy, or gal.
Regards and good luck!
Frank
Hugo -- Have you asked SOA if there is a dealer that they recommend in your area? I recently found out that out of the 5+ dealers in the Bay Area, Subaru likes it for their customers with big warranty repairs to go to Santa Cruz because their service department is rated so high.
Ken
Anyway, if you need your rotors resurfaced or wheel bearings replaced, I'm prepared (heh - heh) - a 1 armed tech.
One thing that I really liked was the new Pro-Cut 900, on the car lathe. It was incredible. Better than the previous model. Maybe see if your dealer has one (they're pretty new). Nice clean cut with self adjustment for runout.
Back to school today!!
Patti
-mike
Four -- not bad. I can honestly claim that I was a primary purchase "influencer" for at least three Foresters:
1998 Forester L
1999 Forester L
2000 Forester S
Aside from that I've tried to sell a bunch of other Subarus including another 1999 Forester L, a 2000 OB Wagon, 2001 OB VDC Wagon and a 2001 Impreza L.
Does that add up to a free car yet? ;-)
Ken
Cheers,
-wdb
Stephen
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Thanks
Bob
Ross
Kate- Sorry to hear about your out-of-body-shop experience.
All- Sorry I missed the chat last night. Someday....
Cheers Pat.
Stephen
Ross
Bob
Never use rubbing compounds or anything NOT marked "Clearcoat Safe".
Although I have a Forester, I've seen the skirts on the Legacy and they do stick out a bit, making them very easy to rub with boots or shoes.
-Tony
As for adding those discussions to the folder, I'm waiting to get the final word on whether that folder can remain at all. It seems due to Search issues, the folder may cause a lot of confusion. So, I may have to put those discussions back into the regular Subaru Crew folder.
Sorry for adding even MORE to any confusion.
KarenS
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Ed
I agree about the Philips bulbs based on my ownership experience.
It's President's Day in the US -- many of us (including me) have the day off!
Ken
bit
Congrats on the new car! Didn't know that you were going to buy another GT. Is this to replace your 2000 GT Wagon or in addition to? Any reason why if it was a replacement?
Hey, I'm from San Mateo -- where'd you go to buy your vehicle?
Ken
Just did a thorough inspection side by side with the 2000. Looks good and nice panel fit. A bit more orange peel than the 2000 which had a gorgeous finish. Drives nice. Funny though how much difference 12k miles makes... everything a bit tighter on the 2001. Shifter is most noticeable.
bit
Glad things turned out okay for you. Carlsen is a pretty good dealer. Santa Cruz is also another good one.
I just recently drive a white 2001 GT wagon in 5-speed. Very nice. The quietness was most impressive. I didn't even notice I was shifting at 4000+ RPM.
Ken
Patti: you should show FHI how NOT to over-torque a wheel bearing! And I bet you could do that with one arm too! ;-)
That on-car lathe sounds really cool, though. I've heard those are the best for resurfacing rotors.
I have a solution for the scuff-marked side skirts - get a Forester L! :-) Seriously, that matte black plastic is a dent and scratch resistant champ.
Drew: cool bulb test, but why no Hella +30s? Looks like they tested the stock Hella H7.
WDB: I disagree. If a Grand Cherokee suffers that kind of severe damage, I wouldn't exactly say it "made it". Survived it, maybe. Heck, I could strap a winch to my Forester and drag it through the Rubicon; would that count?
Their claim implies owners can take it there, with not more than minor scratches, bumps maybe, but that's it. The kind of damage in the pictures would prevent any sane owner from doing the Rubicon in his Jeep, which to me is the entire point.
-juice
Got 3 kids & infirm Dad through 4 days of airplane rides, hotel, and family reunion in Vancouver... Drove by 1 Subaru dealership in North Van, but didn't get a chance to stop in & peek at the goodies... but would much rather have had a Subaru rather than a minivan... especially in the Lonsdale Quay parking garage! How that guy in the Yukon Danali got in & out of there is beyond me!
OK, Vancouverites... sing along..."let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!"
Cheers, eh?
Paul
Road trip was cool. 7 hours up, 24mpg in heavy traffic with the luggage carrier on the roof and a full payload. 5 hours back, 23mpg, at, uh, higher speeds. I hit 85 for a while, but I swear it was by accident! ;-)
Yet another experience that confirms my particular Soob gets far better mileage at about 70mph than it does at 80mph. This is with the very un-aerodynamic roof carrier, though. (Edit: note that there was much, much less traffic on the way back, too)
I did get the notebook/DVD hooked up, so we had "in-flight" movies all the way up and down. I saw "Elmo in Grouchland" plus the "Blues Clues" DVD, though, not exactly Oscar-worthy films! I sat in back with Tati for a while, and had plenty of room behind the nanny and my wife.
Anyone with a white Premium Forester go to Stamford mall on Saturday? Saw lots and lots of Foresters. They seem to be at every corner. Fewer Outbacks than I expected.
Interesting, the brother-in-law that got married used to work at Stamford Subaru! Sorry, though, his name it not "Dave"!
-juice
Ross
http://www.edmunds.com/chat/cartalk022001.html?id=hphall2.cartalk2
Actually, the wheel bearing portion was VERY interesting. Four secrets to proper installation:
1. Pack with grease, add some more grease and then a bit more - sloppy but goooooood!
2. Use a press - shortcut - tap it into the hub with a rubber hammer - it may look good to the eye, but there is little if no tolerance for anything being out of kilter. Go slow and easy with the press.
3. Did I say add grease, more grease and then a bit more? Oh - BTW - that is high heat grease.
4. Patience. If you think you may have not added ENOUGH grease or if you think you did not press it into the hub evenly, start over with a new bearing.
Great fun. I got to get dirty (one hand, thank you very much) but I was able to press the bearing in and I didn't even forget to re-install the ABS tone wheel.
Patti
It is a very, very rare instance where there is such a thing as too much grease in a bearing. You had a good teacher! Except maybe for that "start over with a new bearing" thing; I wouldn't want to see the boss's face when I told him it took me 2 bearings to replace 1!
Cheers,
-wdb
Thanks!
Patti
I however, freely admit to my preference for Canadian beer...
Cheers!
Paul
bit
-Frank P.
The same group of "hackers" who "hacked" into the new WRX site prematurely (i.e., simply posting the URL, which was free of any security, on i-club) may have crashed it, since 4000 of us all went rushing to see it at the same time!
I'd encourage ALL folks here to do the same. Given the discussion on the subject, I think it's fair to say most people would like to see it.
bit: they ought to put in charge of QC at SIA. Not a single defect would escape that factory!
You should have snapped a photo for our gallery, Frank!
OK, Loosh - wasn't me! ;-)
-juice
Cheers Pat.
Send those message, folks! It's not like she hasn't done favors for us!
-juice
Cheers Pat.