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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,852
    Without loyalty those BMW leases aren’t quite as attractive, especially on the 24 month terms.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 240,121
    tjc78 said:

    Without loyalty those BMW leases aren’t quite as attractive, especially on the 24 month terms.

    Exactly

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    At this point, pretty sure the next car will be a buy. so if it is a nicer CUV but not an RDX, most likely will be a loaner. Even then the price can be pretty steep. Would have to compare to a 1 year older CPO. from what I saw in the past, sometimes the loaners (without extra warranty coverage) can be cheaper even if current MY.

    also possible it gets leased if I can make the #s work better, but by that point, should not be any cash flow reason to do a lease to buy. Only if incentives drive it that way.

    wife should be excited for the next round of test drives, since whatever we get is intended to be her DD for the next 10 years. which depressingly enough, if we can make it last that long (the current RDX should) it could end up carrying us into retirement, and our 70s!

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    edited July 2019
    Only $6500 incentives here for 430 GC with loyalty. $7500 for 440 GC.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    So Carmax says the color mismatch is due to plastic vs. metal and that it met their "standards" :disappointed:

    Still, pretty smooth process making the "free" return, but they do take a while to help you, so plan on half an hour, at least, and they want a full tank in the car (that wasted 15 minutes extra).
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    so keep following it. at intervals they will drop the price if it doesn't sell. Eventually maybe even enough for you to get your bumpers sprayed!

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    stickguy said:

    so keep following it. at intervals they will drop the price if it doesn't sell. Eventually maybe even enough for you to get your bumpers sprayed!

    Yeah, I don't think it'll sell to someone that isn't blind or at least color blind, not at the current price.

    I think the Richmond, CA S4 with slightly more miles and the dirty carfax is the better way to go though. Save the money up front, and probably get a better "restoration" than the clean Carfax car. I'm not planning on selling anytime soon once I find the right S4, though maybe I'm in the wrong forum to mention that.

    It's a damn great car.
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,373
    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    so keep following it. at intervals they will drop the price if it doesn't sell. Eventually maybe even enough for you to get your bumpers sprayed!

    Yeah, I don't think it'll sell to someone that isn't blind or at least color blind, not at the current price.

    I think the Richmond, CA S4 with slightly more miles and the dirty carfax is the better way to go though. Save the money up front, and probably get a better "restoration" than the clean Carfax car. I'm not planning on selling anytime soon once I find the right S4, though maybe I'm in the wrong correct forum to mention that.

    It's a damn great car.
    You should really watch what you say around here. Saying things like: "I'm not planning on selling anytime soon" give people anxiety around here. I've taken the liberty to correct your post ;)

    In all seriousness, IF the "Richmond, CA S4" is the one you want, then I would pay to have the PPI done at an Audi specialist. Like many of us, you are very picky about your vehicle (as should be, these things ain't cheap). This is turning into one of those "buy a beach house" shows on HGTV. Cue the off screen announcer voice:

    S4 #1 comes in his desired color with a clean carfax, but has had some questionable paint work and is at the top of his budget.

    S4 #2...

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,852

    Only $6500 incentives here for 430 GC with loyalty. $7500 for 440 GC.

    The way to do it with BMW is to grab a transfer (that was leased well with loyalty or large CCR) and then you'll have loyalty for the next one.

    That $2000 hit on the 24 month lease is just too much

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    Absolutely correct. Or find a BMW to lease where loyalty is less of a hit.
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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,373

    Absolutely correct. Or find a BMW to lease where loyalty is less of a hit.

    Or try to find a dealer that will take an extra $2K off so they can punch a sale

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,538
    tjc78 said:

    The way to do it with BMW is to grab a transfer (that was leased well with loyalty or large CCR) and then you'll have loyalty for the next one.

    I was thinking of that last night too and my curiosity was piqued so I browsed swaplease. We are seriously spoiled by the LH deals because my goodness there is nothing I would take even on a short term lease to get loyalty (330xi for $670/month with 650 miles for 15 months, lol).

    I then went on some of the spreadsheets listed and as @28firefighter noted the impact can vary so maybe an aggressive dealer will close the gap with more discount.
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    What you have going for you, @pensfan83, is that you live close to the Ohio broker and dealers who are willing to dance a little. The dealers up my way seem to have stopped.
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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,538
    100% agree. He had some damn good 340xi deals earlier in the year.

    There aren't many (any?) deals in Pittsburgh to begin with, too captive a market so unless I re-up with Acura I've resigned myself to going outside the market for a deal.
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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,465
    edited July 2019
    pensfan83 said:

    100% agree. He had some damn good 340xi deals earlier in the year.

    There aren't many (any?) deals in Pittsburgh to begin with, too captive a market so unless I re-up with Acura I've resigned myself to going outside the market for a deal.

    Now you know why three out of the last four cars I bought have been out of the Burgh. Two in Ohio and one in Virginia.

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,538
    xwesx said:

    pensfan83 said:

    100% agree. He had some damn good 340xi deals earlier in the year.

    There aren't many (any?) deals in Pittsburgh to begin with, too captive a market so unless I re-up with Acura I've resigned myself to going outside the market for a deal.

    Well, the nice thing about that is Pittsburgh isn't far from a very, very large chunk of the country! Seems like a short road trip is just the ticket. Try living in Alaska if you want to see a true "captive market" in action! :p
    Touche
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    edited July 2019
    I'm starting to realize that going out of state to save thousands is probably worthwhile. Unless you're buying a Subaru (and to a lesser extent Honda and Toyota), the market here just is not super competitive. Even the few dealers I've done hacks with in the past are throwing in the towel because they simply don't have to take that big of a haircut to move metal.
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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,538
    Yep. The only reason I didn't go beyond state borders the past 2 times is because I hit the trifecta on the Audi (right place, right time, right unit) and no one out of state undercut my Acura dealer by more than a few bucks/month so no point in travelling to save $100 over 3 years.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    here is one i like. Pretty good discount for a 2019. I guess the miles are a little steep. But not that many more than a service loaner. Equipped with everything I want, and nice colors.

    https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2019-bmw-4_series-certified_430i_xdrive_gran_coupe_sport_line_awd_heads_up_nav_cam-used-wba4j3c55kbl06770.html

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    stickguy said:

    here is one i like. Pretty good discount for a 2019. I guess the miles are a little steep. But not that many more than a service loaner. Equipped with everything I want, and nice colors.

    https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2019-bmw-4_series-certified_430i_xdrive_gran_coupe_sport_line_awd_heads_up_nav_cam-used-wba4j3c55kbl06770.html

    BUT, I could get a similar service loaner with 4k miles for $33k-$34k. Loyalty needed.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    I am only loyal to my dog. BMW doesn't care about him!

    if that car was sitting on the lot as an ex-loaner, with say 6,100 miles (so not lease-able), what would an "outsider" like me be realistically be able to offer to have them not let me leave without it?

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,759
    stickguy said:

    here is one i like. Pretty good discount for a 2019. I guess the miles are a little steep. But not that many more than a service loaner. Equipped with everything I want, and nice colors.

    https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2019-bmw-4_series-certified_430i_xdrive_gran_coupe_sport_line_awd_heads_up_nav_cam-used-wba4j3c55kbl06770.html

    Is it just me, or is the color on the rear bumper off? It just looks a little darker than the rest of the car.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    So perhaps the S4's not working out is life's ways of saying perhaps it wasn't meant to be, and that I really should find an S6.
    '15 Audi Misano Red Pearl S4, '16 Audi TTS Daytona Gray Pearl, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    @ entrées three or four but other S4 if you like it like others mentioned above to a private party inspection and then go from there yes whiskey sitting around here he’s gonna keep something long-term and not sell it ha ha Ha agree with New York car guy and others in here.
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    One of my cousin today with a store out of the new car brands near me, when in the Ford section and guess what they have like five new 2020 explores, got to sit in an ST trim basic XLT which I would be happy with was read my favorite color and they have the green spruce cream forget which room it was next to the red one yesterday was white. Is it a great job of the captains chairs they had an old one because I saw a bunch of them left parked next to the new one actually see it in person where the clothes in my face I like the new one better you can only tell the difference from The front end, and it looks higher up to me and the old one, and the gas tank is on the driver side now for the first time in Ford explore history, and not the passenger side anymore, but I discovered that at the auto show wants to go when I saw them there or you were able to go up close and personal with them. No keys in them so couldn’t start him I wish they had keys. Nothing is listed online locally I guess they just didn’t list them yet they must’ve arrived last week or something. Or maybe they just want to clear up one of the 2019‘s before they get listed, the search nationwide nothing was listed online just yet but they’re clearly on there Dealer lot now when I saw today.
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    And start doing part-time work for a financial cross broker, my trainer works with them that’s his main job it’s like you start your own business and bring in referrals I could do it I have nothing to lose no job right now and they train you for free why not could be something big or if not at least I tried right. So American three times already went to a big meeting last night with they have an open house once or twice a week and meet with someone again tomorrow everyone I met is really nice so it’s a big thing that I like. They help people with planning for the financial future and I’ve been screwed by the stock market absentee g
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    I know it all sounds far-fetched the above but I will skeptical but I’m different than most open minded can’t hurt. There’s no cold calling you deal with people you know and family in spreads by word-of-mouth like that. And already got my uncle willing to help me and a few friends so why not. Will benefit them too.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    stickguy said:

    I am only loyal to my dog. BMW doesn't care about him!

    if that car was sitting on the lot as an ex-loaner, with say 6,100 miles (so not lease-able), what would an "outsider" like me be realistically be able to offer to have them not let me leave without it?

    I don’t know what purchase incentives are. But figure, for you today only, 18% discount before incentives.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    so $43,000. I have no clue what the purchase incentives without loyalty are. And based on the listed prices (I know, they are just "asking") and talking to sales people there, the dealer is not very interested in offering that large a discount, without it already including incentives. Unless I walk in with you, in which case, they probably call security.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    Need some help. Is there such a thing as a new Grand Wagoneer coming soon?

    This has been driving me nuts. Last night, driving home at dusk, we approached an SUV on the highway. I kept thinking to myself “that thing is BIG.” We got up to the back of it and it was clearly a Jeep product. I wasn’t really thinking too much about it right then, but I kept staring at it, not really understanding what I was looking at. It was like a grand cherokee, but bigger and squarer. Reminded me of a Dodge Nitro in shape. It moved over and as I was passing, I could see on a chrome strip between the taillights, where a Grand Cherokee reads JEEP, it said Grand ....something. I couldn’t see it clearly on the shiny fake chrome in the fading sun.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    sounds like a Commander? Biggest Jeep SUV I can recall. They are tall and boxy.




    https://www.kbb.com/jeep/commander/2010/?bodystyle=suv&intent=buy-used&mileage=110035

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  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    @qb I know there is a grand Wagoneer coming out, was it possibly a prototype I don’t think it’s coming out till next year. I could’ve been a commander like mentioned above.
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    Sister-in-law send me pictures and information on an empty ex 2016 with 30,000 miles but they went to test drive last night, she tends to trade in a used car every two years not even three years. Think she got the Pathfinder in 2017. So having issues on what they’re going to give her on the trade for the Pathfinder. She still hasn’t told me what that was what they offered her just yet. It’s a silver color forget the interior color. Have no clue how to post stuff on here. I told her is the one in only Carmax in New York in Albany That I read about couple of years back if you were opening, bring it there and see what they’ll give her for it’s more than the Acura dealer she went to is willing to give her on the trade-in. And see what cars Carmax might have but she might be interested in so we’ll see what she says.
  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    They live 40 something minutes from Albany so works out good for them. Story to be continued in here.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    I took an hour today and shot over to my local VW dealer to test drive a GLI. It was a Black 2019 GLI Autobahn 6 speed. To be respectful I made an appointment at an off time and off day of the week mid month. The guy was thrilled to have some company and something to do and i didn’t feel bad about taking his time.

    Initial impressions from the exterior are that it’s very conservative looking with just enough flare to remind you it’s a sport model. It is very much reminiscent of an A4. Its also a perfect size for me - not a boat but also plenty of room, mostly in the backseat where it’s most important for a young family to be able to fit large car seats.

    The interior is a bit of a mixed bag. From the driver’s seat, it’s perfect. Everything you touch is soft touch materials and the plastic points are well disguised. The heated and cooled seats are well bolstered and very easy to comfortable in. All of the controls are within easy reach and very familiar VW fare. The digital cockpit is a nice high-end touch and easy on the eyes, though given that the top trim doesn’t have navigation in the US, it feels a little unnecessary. The backseat is spacious and plenty roomy, but that’s about as good as it gets. Every surface in the back is hard plastic and as previously mentioned, no rear air vents. Just weird cost cutting.

    I’ll give my thoughts on the drive a little later (it’s almost time for school pick up). It will come as no surprise that I loved it - it feels just like my GTI.

    To be continued.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    Nah, not that Commander. I can't seem to find any pics that match up. The chrome strip is the defining feature. The Grand Commander would have been a possibility, too, but that chrome strip is missing.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    edited July 2019
    I suppose its possible someone could swap out the chrome shown here for on that says "Grand ..." although I don't know why they would. And I definitely don't recall seeing handles on the C pillars.


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  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    @ 28 firefighter nice on your impressions of the new Jetta.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,029


    The interior is a bit of a mixed bag. From the driver’s seat, it’s perfect. Everything you touch is soft touch materials and the plastic points are well disguised. The heated and cooled seats are well bolstered and very easy to comfortable in. All of the controls are within easy reach and very familiar VW fare. The digital cockpit is a nice high-end touch and easy on the eyes, though given that the top trim doesn’t have navigation in the US, it feels a little unnecessary. The backseat is spacious and plenty roomy, but that’s about as good as it gets. Every surface in the back is hard plastic and as previously mentioned, no rear air vents. Just weird cost cutting.

    You see that frequently in mainstream brands. To be fair, how often does the rear seat get used, and by whom? Answers would typically be rarely, and by kids, so there is little to be gained by trimming it and adding features that match the front. Rear vents are nice but in reality it isn't a minivan and cold or hot air will get back there pretty quick.

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  • sdasda Member Posts: 6,936
    I understand though don’t prefer the back seat area being trimmed out significantly cheaper with less soft touch touch surfaces than the front. It doesn’t take too much to provide ac vents to the rear. Extend a tube from the front heat/ac ducting through the center console and provide a vent. The rear ac vent makes a nice difference, especially for us in warmer climates. Front passengers don’t have to redirect their vents to the rear. Rear ac vents and a sunroof were the deciding factor when I bought the EX over the Sport Accord.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,029
    sda said:

    I understand though don’t prefer the back seat area being trimmed out significantly cheaper with less soft touch touch surfaces than the front. It doesn’t take too much to provide ac vents to the rear. Extend a tube from the front heat/ac ducting through the center console and provide a vent. The rear ac vent makes a nice difference, especially for us in warmer climates. Front passengers don’t have to redirect their vents to the rear. Rear ac vents and a sunroof were the deciding factor when I bought the EX over the Sport Accord.

    All those things are possible if you want to pay a bit more for a more premium vehicle. You just need to decide if it is worth it or more of a nice-to-have. There is no free lunch.

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  • marcogallo1986marcogallo1986 Member Posts: 1,164
    Agree with all of the above everyone, and happy Friday everybody, enjoy the day and have a good weekend all. Anyone doing any car shopping this weekend?
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    The plastic in the rear is not enough to dissuade me as long as it doesn't rattle. If the panels are tight, it looks nice, and doesn't rattle, I'm good.

    The vents thing just seems stupid. The center console unit they put in even looks like it was designed to have a vent there. Even the GTI had them. I'll be curious to see if the complaining I've seen on the interweb brings them back for 2020 along with DCC on the Autobahn.
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  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,538
    Nice reviews! Your experience with the shift action sounds similar to how I felt about my A4.
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,759
    28, what is "DCC?" It's not triggering my AAD (automatic acronym decoder). :(
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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 240,121
    xwesx said:

    28, what is "DCC?" It's not triggering my AAD (automatic acronym decoder). :(

    Google is your friend....

    Dynamic Chassis Control

    https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/braking-and-stability-systems/dcc

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,759
    Ah, thanks. I don't bother with trying to look up acronyms anymore, as there are about 92,000,000 options per acronym out there, which means rabbit hole, etc., and I just don't have time for that. :p
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333
    Sorry - it's VW's version of adaptive dampers. Available on the Golf R and now on the middle trim GLI.
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