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stickguy · October 2019

I love that corolla

ab348 · October 2019

I don't care for those mid-70s Eldos and that one is no exception. But I have never seen one with black upholstery and red carpets/door trim. Wonder if that was factory.

Someone should snap up that '88 Corolla GT-S. Those are hot and getting hotter. That car could bring serious money if it is as good as it looks, and it is a hoot to drive in any event. I almost bought one new.

Not as crazy about that Shelby as some perhaps. The basic car it was based upon was not good.

xwesx · October 2019

While I'm not a big fan of 80s cars, this one is done quite nicely.

Photo from the RockAuto newsletter....https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/

kyfdx · October 2019

xwesx said:
While I'm not a big fan of 80s cars, this one is done quite nicely.

Photo from the RockAuto newsletter....https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/

'88 or so? Rented one to drive to Naples, one year. 17 hours, each way.

You know, like a trip to the grocery store, for you.

ab348 · October 2019

Similar to one a couple of model years newer that my buddy Steve had. His had the 4.9 and I think was a '91 model. This one is the last year for the unloved HT4100 V8.

texases · October 2019

What good engines has Cadillac made since 1980 or so? So many of them have been troublesome.

tjc78 · October 2019

The Northstar was at least well received and powerful for it's size. It wasn't until later that the problems and serviceability surfaced.

Otherwise, they really haven't had many of their own other than the HT line (4,1, 4.4 and 4.9). I think by the time the 4.9 came out it was pretty reliable.

All the 80s RWD's (after the 4100) got Olds 307s, then Chevy 305s and 350s

omarman · October 2019

I still like the 1977 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz with (what looks like) original AM/FM stereo CB radio and space saver(!) spare tire. I found one on youtube last year being celebrated for its weirdness, being a 2-door personal luxury car with 4 interior door release handles!

qbrozen · October 2019

texases said:
What good engines has Cadillac made since 1980 or so? So many of them have been troublesome.

The 3.6 v6 has been good from what I know. It was derivative of the HFV6 originally developed jointly by Caddy and Holden, though, so it just depends on what you want to qualify as a Caddy engine.

andres3 · October 2019

I tried to use a "Cadillac" in a speeding defense case. There was an obviously old and slow man in front of me driving a Caddy, I couldn't have been speeding your Honor, as I was staying behind them and didn't pass on the right.

It didn't work, Orange County was the first Courthouse I saw with drive up and walk-up paying windows.

tjc78 · October 2019

qbrozen said:

texases said:
What good engines has Cadillac made since 1980 or so? So many of them have been troublesome.
The 3.6 v6 has been good from what I know. It was derivative of the HFV6 originally developed jointly by Caddy and Holden, though, so it just depends on what you want to qualify as a Caddy engine.

I’ve had three 3.6s. I like that engine a lot. It’s no Toyota 2GR but a solid engine that makes a good bit of power.

My 2012 puked a crankshaft seal early on (good thing I have a black top driveway) but otherwise they have been perfect since.

qbrozen · October 2019

tjc78 said:

My 2012 puked a crankshaft seal early on (good thing I have a black top driveway) but otherwise they have been perfect since.

Funny thing is, alot of peeps would complain and jump up and down that a GM engine did that, yet it is a common failure point for subaru’s EJ25 but that’s still deemed reliable.

texases · October 2019

Eh, that EJ25 with the head gaskets every 100k? Not judged reliable by this Forester owner.

And doesn't the Caddy 3.6 have problems with timing chain guides?

qbrozen · October 2019

texases said:
Eh, that EJ25 with the head gaskets every 100k? Not judged reliable by this Forester owner.

And doesn't the Caddy 3.6 have problems with timing chain guides?

I could only find info on the chain itself, and it seems that is attributable to the longer oil change intervals. Good oil with more frequent changes could stave off the problem. This was discovered back in 2011 or so and GM was reprogramming customer cars to shorten OBC oil life intervals. I’d imagine vehicles produced in later years already had this adjustment built in.

xwesx · October 2019

kyfdx said:
'88 or so? Rented one to drive to Naples, one year. 17 hours, each way. You know, like a trip to the grocery store, for you.

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xwesx · October 2019

And, on the topic of maintenance and/or repairs.... I have a wheel bearing going bad (quickly) on the Q7: Front left. Seems crazy to me. Only 88,000 miles. Never had a wheel bearing go bad, except on my 1969 Econoline van, which was more understandable in that case because the bearings had around 200,000 miles on them and had been... abused... much in their lives. Even so, the wheel bearings in the other three corners are still original. Fifty years, and at least 200,000 miles.... and all good. /sigh

ab348 · October 2019

qbrozen said:

texases said:
Eh, that EJ25 with the head gaskets every 100k? Not judged reliable by this Forester owner.

And doesn't the Caddy 3.6 have problems with timing chain guides?
I could only find info on the chain itself, and it seems that is attributable to the longer oil change intervals. Good oil with more frequent changes could stave off the problem. This was discovered back in 2011 or so and GM was reprogramming customer cars to shorten OBC oil life intervals. I’d imagine vehicles produced in later years already had this adjustment built in.

The long timing between oil changes (up to 15000 miles) that the oil life monitor system was programmed for on the early engines proved too much for the engine oil and caused premature wear of the timing chains and associated components. The OLM was recalled for a reprogramming to shorten the interval somewhat, GM moved to Dexos oil (originally partial synthetic, now full synthetic, probably important for these early engines especially) and several improved chain designs were introduced into production.

There were several generations of this engine that were produced subsequently that (eventually) fully addressed those early issues, with the latest being gen 4 which has significant revisions including bore spacing, a redesigned cooling system and variable valve timing. This LGX code engine is what I have in my ATS, producing 335hp. Great engine.

tjc78 · October 2019

On all 3 of the 3.6s I've owned the OLM promptly reaches 10% at about 4700 miles... 0% at around 5200 or so.

tjc78 · October 2019

And doesn't the Caddy 3.6 have problems with timing chain guides?

Lots of modern engines have that problem. Heck even Ford's 4.6 which everyone knows to be as close to bulletproof as there is suffers from it.

My 04 MGM was just starting to have a little clatter from them at 100K. I guarantee the new owner is still running it just fine. They go like that forever.

Michaell · October 2019

I was today years old when I learned that you could get a Lexus with a stick shift. This is for sale at a lot just a few miles from me:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/774459048/overview/

stickguy · October 2019

they also had an SC300 manual back then.

not long ago I saw a video of some guy that buys hoopties and tries to fix them up cheap, and he bought an ES300 stick that had been sitting, for some small amount ($100?) Turned out good, for cheap.

fintail · October 2019

The first gen ES, the 250, also exists with a stick IIRC.

kyfdx · October 2019

fintail said:
The first gen ES, the 250, also exists with a stick IIRC.

Definitely

fintail · October 2019

A few this morning:

Once common, now unusual

Once unusual, now rare

Low-ride-er, but not intentional

Sport Sedan

Dime, but not the one people love

Famous person

I remember when these were new, I kind of liked the look

Cheap hauler

Good colors for the era

Not as appealing

Me no likey that upholstery

Re-enact "Moving"

One I found linked on another site:

Sole survivor?

And I found this photoshop job online, thought it was amusing:

stickguy · October 2019

I like that SAAB. Get a whole parts department too. Not the dumb stereo stuff in the trunk though.

tjc78 · October 2019

Yeah, SAAB is nice. The white Caddy is nice too, but I hate those hubcaps.

The Olds Diesel is really loaded too, it very well could be 1 of 1 at this point.

qbrozen · October 2019

I actually kind of dig the Justy. Gotta question the sanity of someone who rebuilds the engine in one, however. ha.

ab348 · October 2019

tjc78 said:
Yeah, SAAB is nice. The white Caddy is nice too, but I hate those hubcaps.

The Olds Diesel is really loaded too, it very well could be 1 of 1 at this point.

Those are the ones that jumped out at me. The Caddy is really nice and would have the 425 still in '77. I had no memory of the 4.3 diesel being offered in those FWD 98s. Must have taken some real determination by GM to do that given they had 7 years worth of bad experience with the diesels by then. The Saab needs to go to a like-minded fan of the marque.

The "Cornet" looks like it has a bad case of clearcoat peeling and the interior is awful. So, new paint, new interior just to get it to look like it is supposed to. Pass.

tjc78 · October 2019

I had no memory of the 4.3 diesel being offered in those FWD 98s.

That makes two of us.

fintail · October 2019

I've never seen a diesel of that style either. I have seen A-body diesels in the form of Ciera and Celebrity, hens teeth themselves.

A quick google finds another, so maye 2 exist

fintail · October 2019

It probably couldn't be more difficult to maintain, and you'd want to live in Limeyland or maybe Oz etc to really use it, but I've always had a thing for these, and the provenance on this one is impeccable - lovely old thing, and close enough to quote Sixteen Candles lines.

fintail · October 2019

They keep a comin:

Not Eighty Two Thousand Dollars

Might as well be $82K

Optimistic for condition

Drive as-is, offend the jorts and white sneakers crowd

Probably worth the same 30 years ago

Those wheels on that car

Grandpa

Grandpa

Grandpa

That color, the price, collector plates

Nose job

Disco chic

And its elder sibling

Too bad vintage cars aren't in rideshare service

Super Sport

Short and narrow

Needs more of a drop

Go Commando

Surprised these haven't taken off, just a matter of time

stickguy · October 2019

I suspect that integra has many hidden secrets, but I would buy it for $5k

stickguy · October 2019

Mach 1 is interesting needs a 4 speed. And I bet if you strip it down, will find lots more rust

stickguy · October 2019

I like the stubby Silverado. That front seat, looks nasty though

tjc78 · October 2019

79 Mark V

I want it!! Great colors and options. Price seems fair to me if the miles are legit.

stickguy · October 2019

700 miles per year, just seems weird. Unless it sat for 30 of them!

tjc78 · October 2019

So many of them did. Always pretty easy to find a super low mileage one.

xwesx · October 2019

fintail said:

Grandpa

Love, love, LOVE this one! I should really consider snagging it to replace my '76. Hmm..... My wife would disown me. Still considering....

stickguy · October 2019

Looks new

tjc78 · October 2019

@xwesx
No A/C on that one. Probably not a huge deal in your neck of the woods, but a deal breaker here.

xwesx · October 2019

tjc78 said:
@xwesx
No A/C on that one. Probably not a huge deal in your neck of the woods, but a deal breaker here.

AC..... Hmm. No. Not an issue.

ab348 · October 2019

xwesx said:

fintail said:

Grandpa
Love, love, LOVE this one! I should really consider snagging it to replace my '76. Hmm..... My wife would disown me. Still considering....

That is a very nice truck especially considering the year. I think it is a good buy. Amazed at the number of grandpa trucks out there.

The pair of Lincoln Marks are interesting, both about the same price, both not miled up. Maybe that says something about them? I dunno if the '76 or '79 generation is preferred. I like the colors on both.

The '66 DeVille seems to have avoided the worst that so many of those kind of cars have to endure. The wheels are an easy fix at least.

The Silverado needs a seat transplant as many of that generation do. If you get lucky you might find one in matching upholstery but even if not it wouldn't be a huge deal and you might be able to source a better seat from a later model that bolts right in. That cargo box style wasn't very common.

The 4Runner is very uncommon in most places as they were terrible rusters not just up here but almost anywhere. If that one is solid it would be a good buy.

tjc78 · October 2019

I dunno if the '76 or '79 generation is preferred. I like the colors on both.

Pretty sure that most would prefer the angular styling and interior to the V. 78 is probably the best year as you could still order up the 460.

I like the 79s as the designer editions had great colors and the Collector's series in white over blue is just about perfect for me.

I've driven both the 460 powered cars and the 400s.... not much difference both pretty slow. I'd be willing to bet my 79 with true duals and slightly advanced timing was as quick as a stock single exhaust 460.

ab348 · October 2019

Here's an odd duck:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-mercedes-benz-300d-2/

Maybe @fintail could snag it and start a moonlighting business.

fintail · October 2019

That limo is a crazy train, it could see some success in livery service as a specialty vehicle. You'd probably do OK on prom night. Just don't be in a hurry, as it will be slow.

Speaking of BaT, Can we hit 6 figures?

Pretty

And more of the local CL 20th century gong show:

90s style

Could be a driver, I am noticing a trend of BC cars being offered here at what appears to be a price that should be CAD but is USD

Seeking to recoup the "investment" no doubt

See above

Interesting ID tag, some hipster should be all over it

Low miles, no mention of the Achilles heel

Real ad, so only real interest please

I liked these when I was a kid, today real ones aren't much more expensive

With 40 years of neglect cars can rust here

GTS

Stuck

Very restorable life sized model kit

Froggy

Woody

Surprised look

Miles

The only way to travel

Slant

Commendable preservation, optimistic desires

Nailhead

GTS needs TLC ASAP

stickguy · October 2019

I would love that GTS if it was in clean, driveable condition. So basically a different car.

kyfdx · October 2019

I love the FX16

Datsun 210s rusted, straight from the factory. No neglect needed.

tjc78 · October 2019

I have to say (other than Supra and Riv) that's a pretty crummy line up today!

ab348 · October 2019

The BaT Supra is drawing interest because of its originality - very rare now to see one that hasn't been modded to an inch of its life - and its very well-preserved condition. I can see someone giving 6 figures easily.

Lots of overly optimistic owners in this batch otherwise. The Aspen, the Plymouth, the Firebird, even the Riv (something about it just doesn't seem right to me). The FX16 intrigues me - assuming you can get the parts it says it needs, it would be a fun project. The '93 Lincoln seems too cheap for the pictures shown, maybe its a deal.

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