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andres3 · February 2020

With just the taxpayer/Gov't losses from the GM & Chrysler 2.0 Bailouts, I could have paid a whole lot of people to watch grass grow and paint dry for a very long time.

sda · February 2020

venture said:
My Dad had a '59 Biuck. You started it by stepping on the gas pedal.

Did the 60 Buick start the same way? Our neighbor had a 60 LeSabre and she always started the car with a roar and the revved it I guess until she thought it was drivable. It went missing for a while, replaced by a 63 BelAir wagon. This was around 1970. I asked my friend, her son, a new car? Yes, the Buick threw a rod when mom started it last.

ab348 · February 2020

stickguy said:
they are pretty slow though, for a lot of people, compared to a real cashier. I bet that one good cashier can process as fast as 3-4 self check lanes. 7-8 if they work at Aldis.

plus you need someone to run around fixing all the screw ups and resetting the self checks. Better just have them running the register instead.

Not in my experience.

explorerx4 · February 2020

I've come to an agreement with reusable bags, but I've started splitting my shopping between 2 different store chains.
Buy my bread and cold cuts at one, then go to the other larger one for whatever else I want to buy.
Many times, I could get my number for the deli at the larger store and do all my shopping before my number was called.
They are both close, so not a lot of extra time to split things between them.

driver100 · February 2020

stickguy said:
they are pretty slow though, for a lot of people, compared to a real cashier. I bet that one good cashier can process as fast as 3-4 self check lanes. 7-8 if they work at Aldis.

plus you need someone to run around fixing all the screw ups and resetting the self checks. Better just have them running the register instead.

At Sam's the DIY checkout is much faster. Instead of having 5 or 6 checkouts open they have about 20....never have to wait in line, like Ab said while the cashier talks to her neighbor or some guy tries to find his credit card, or worse, a little old lady has to count out 73 cents in nickels, dimes and pennies....gets to 68 cents and doesn't have enough change :@

driver100 · February 2020

Just watched Ford vs Ferrari. It is a really good movie, too bad it is 2 1/2 hours long...no movie should be more than 2 hours long.

SPOILER ALERT!I have to check to see if that ending is true...the 3 cars finishing and if he crashed in the end.

explorerx4 · February 2020

A pretty good report about the problematic Explorer launch.
It includes some history and future info, so at around 15 minutes in length, probably too long for driver100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le2jwfu6110

stickguy · February 2020

I think people are forgetting that in stores that force you into a DIY checkout, those same pokey people are going to be ahead of you. But instead of just having to deal with finding their money, they will also screw up trying to scan, not be able to figure out what to do with their coupons, etc.

stickguy · February 2020

driver100 said:
Just watched Ford vs Ferrari. It is a really good movie, too bad it is 2 1/2 hours long...no movie should be more than 2 hours long.

SPOILER ALERT!I have to check to see if that ending is true...the 3 cars finishing and if he crashed in the end.

the 3 car finish is true. and I highly doubt they made up a fictitious death for Miles.

tjc78 · February 2020

Self checkouts are fine. At our local Shop Rite they have a bunch now with one or two team members helping. I don’t think they have put anyone out of work, because most times of the day there would never be 9-10 registers open but there can be that many people using the self checkouts.

Yes like Stick says... get a few who don’t “get it” and your waiting awhile.

venture · February 2020

sda said:

venture said:
My Dad had a '59 Biuck. You started it by stepping on the gas pedal.
Did the 60 Buick start the same way? Our neighbor had a 60 LeSabre and she always started the car with a roar and the revved it I guess until she thought it was drivable. It went missing for a while, replaced by a 63 BelAir wagon. This was around 1970. I asked my friend, her son, a new car? Yes, the Buick threw a rod when mom started it last.

I don't know about the '60. I only remembered the '59 because I was allowed to start it once in a while. It was old then, but he wouldn't get rid of it. It was ugly then...before they became "classics".

Sandman6472 · February 2020

No Shop Rite down south here, but at Target, they have the self check out with a team member always there to "help out" but lots of times, I've seen them having to help out folks who have issues. I'd rather just sand in line just like I do at McDonald's in the am when I get my egg biscuit, I don't use the kiosk like they want me to. Especially with my order, it's no longer a line item, too easy for it to get screwed up. It's a biscuit with a folded egg, not the rounded egg. Too many times, I've gotten to work or even back home and the egg is the wrong kind and yes, they do taste a bit different. I prefer to get exactly what I ordered and not one that's a bit screwed up. Being the paying customer, I have that right.
Been getting one for years now, don't like to eat a big breakfast but need something with the meds I take. And it really is just enough to eat.

venture · February 2020

stickguy said:
they are pretty slow though, for a lot of people, compared to a real cashier. I bet that one good cashier can process as fast as 3-4 self check lanes. 7-8 if they work at Aldis.

plus you need someone to run around fixing all the screw ups and resetting the self checks. Better just have them running the register instead.

A while ago I had 1 item and went through a self-serve checkout at the super market. I usually put in the coins first, then the bills.

This machine kept giving my quarter back and I kept putting it back in. I then noticed it was giving me credit for the quarters too. After the total owed went to zero I called the attendant over, explained to him what was going on, and handed him the correct amount. He couldn't seem to understand and after explaing it to him twice, I just left.

tjc78 · February 2020

No way I’m paying cash at a self checkout.

driver100 · February 2020

explorerx4 said:
A pretty good report about the problematic Explorer launch.
It includes some history and future info, so at around 15 minutes in length, probably too long for driver100.

Yeh, I don't have 15 minutes of my life to spare.....unless it gives you all the problems with the Explorer and really runs it down....that might be worth reading!

driver100 · February 2020

stickguy said:
I think people are forgetting that in stores that force you into a DIY checkout, those same pokey people are going to be ahead of you. But instead of just having to deal with finding their money, they will also screw up trying to scan, not be able to figure out what to do with their coupons, etc.

You go to the line with no one in it at Sams. Before there were 5 cashiers, now there are 20 DIY aisles.

driver100 · February 2020

stickguy said:

driver100 said:
Just watched Ford vs Ferrari. It is a really good movie, too bad it is 2 1/2 hours long...no movie should be more than 2 hours long.

SPOILER ALERT!I have to check to see if that ending is true...the 3 cars finishing and if he crashed in the end.
the 3 car finish is true. and I highly doubt they made up a fictitious death for Miles.

Good to know....some of these business guys....and I mean Henry Ford II were pretty nasty....I don't get not letting the guy win, and then tricking him. I won't buy another Ford!

(Explorer....note the smiley face, just joking)

oldfarmer50 · February 2020

ronsteve said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
Getting tired of this state.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/house-bill-would-ban-illinois-drivers-from-pumping-their-own-gas/
To what purpose? Are people in your state blowing themselves up? Sounds like a politician looking to keep some relevance .
I'm guessing it's an attempt at job creation. Not that it will actually create any good jobs, or as many jobs as the authors might have you believe.

Maybe also to create business for lawyers when those pump jockeys start coming down with medical problems from being exposed to gas fumes day after day unlike like the self serve customer who only pumps occasionally.

oldfarmer50 · February 2020

driver100 said:

stickguy said:
they are pretty slow though, for a lot of people, compared to a real cashier. I bet that one good cashier can process as fast as 3-4 self check lanes. 7-8 if they work at Aldis.

plus you need someone to run around fixing all the screw ups and resetting the self checks. Better just have them running the register instead.
At Sam's the DIY checkout is much faster. Instead of having 5 or 6 checkouts open they have about 20....never have to wait in line, like Ab said while the cashier talks to her neighbor or some guy tries to find his credit card, or worse, a little old lady has to count out 73 cents in nickels, dimes and pennies....gets to 68 cents and doesn't have enough change :@

Those Sam's self check outs are a plot against people like me who pay in cash only.

oldfarmer50 · February 2020

tjc78 said:
No way I’m paying cash at a self checkout.

I only use cash for the supermarket self checkout. Trouble is, Sam’s Club only accepts credit/debit cards at the self check. No way am I letting the CIA spy on me through my credit card.

Yes, I am kidding....sort off.

oldfarmer50 · February 2020

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

driver100 said:
Just watched Ford vs Ferrari. It is a really good movie, too bad it is 2 1/2 hours long...no movie should be more than 2 hours long.

SPOILER ALERT!I have to check to see if that ending is true...the 3 cars finishing and if he crashed in the end.
the 3 car finish is true. and I highly doubt they made up a fictitious death for Miles.
Good to know....some of these business guys....and I mean Henry Ford II were pretty nasty....I don't get not letting the guy win, and then tricking him. I won't buy another Ford! (Explorer....note the smiley face, just joking)

Ford was a family run company for decades. Almost handed down from father to son. No guarantee of competence but almost a guarantee of arrogance.

ab348 · February 2020

tjc78 said:
No way I’m paying cash at a self checkout.

Most of them here do not have that option, just credit or debit cards only.

I did notice the ones at Canadian Tire still took cash a few months ago at least, as I was next to a young lady buying something and she kept feeding $20 bills into it like a machine at the casino until it finally spit out a bunch of change and a receipt.

houdini1 · February 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:
Getting tired of this state.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/house-bill-would-ban-illinois-drivers-from-pumping-their-own-gas/
To what purpose? Are people in your state blowing themselves up? Sounds like a politician looking to keep some relevance .

Sounds like a strong service station lobby.

imidazol97 · February 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe also to create business for lawyers when those pump jockeys start coming down with medical problems from being exposed to gas fumes day after day unlike like the self serve customer who only pumps occasionally.

I got a solicitation email from attorneys yesterday. It was something about lithium ion round batteries.

I wonder if the batteries in the electric cars and hybrids are round...

Imagine the danger these attorneys are protecting society from. All to get each person $10 and the attorneys $millions.

tjc78 · February 2020

I should have really qualified that statement. I rarely use cash at all and certainly wouldn't use it a self checkout.

Hope everyone enjoys dinner out or whatever with your significant other!

I'm meeting my wife in the city (she works in Philly) and we are going out to dinner. I am heading over early and checking us into a hotel which she doesn't know about. Have Mom all lined up with the kids.

Luckily for me she mentioned what she was wearing to a kid's birthday party on Sat so I can pack for her! Scored a Priceline last minute deal for $109. Can't beat that for a 4 star on Valentine's day in Center City Philly!

28firefighter · February 2020

tjc78 said:
I should have really qualified that statement. I rarely use cash at all and certainly wouldn't use it a self checkout.

Hope everyone enjoys dinner out or whatever with your significant other!

I'm meeting my wife in the city (she works in Philly) and we are going out to dinner. I am heading over early and checking us into a hotel which she doesn't know about. Have Mom all lined up with the kids.

Luckily for me she mentioned what she was wearing to a kid's birthday party on Sat so I can pack for her! Scored a Priceline last minute deal for $109. Can't beat that for a 4 star on Valentine's day in Center City Philly!

Nice! Enjoy!

tjc78 · February 2020

Had an interesting job interview yesterday. I was called by the HR VP the other day about a temp position with the competitor that bought us. Recruiter from their end read off a JD and it seemed like something I could do from home so I agreed to an interview.

I met the team and we all hit it off (I had met one of them at a show a few years back but she didn't remember). Once they explained the job we all looked at each other like "why is he here". It was for a WHS position inventorying fixtures and preparing for shipment. Someone had their signals crossed.

They asked if I was relocatable to Dallas, which I'm not. So it turned to field work. They don't have anything right now but are keeping me in mind.

Just a weird thing all the way around, but it can't hurt to have as much interview experience as possible.

driver100 · February 2020

tjc, that is how I look at those interviews....they are just practice. They could help steer you in the right direction too, or give you leads. Good too if you can make them feel guilty for wasting your time, they may try harder to find you a spot.

driver100 · February 2020

btw...Ford vs Ferrari was on Amazon Prime.
For the most part the movie was pretty accurate, SPOILER ALERT, the 3 cars finishing together is true, and Ken Miles did die in a car accident shortly after Le Mans, and Miles was scammed out of winning.
What is not true in Ford vs Ferrari

cdnpinhead · February 2020

Link doesn't work, at least for me.

stickguy · February 2020

yeah, sometimes what you get all excited about turns out to be a dud, but something you don't think much of turns out to be a great opportunity.

I had an interview a couple months ago that would have been a great fit, but it was up by NYC (in Westchester). way too far to commute, and not someplace I could relo to (due to cost). But, recruiter said they were willing to consider a WFH now since I was close enough to day trip when needed. But, it involved managing a team, and even though the interview went well and the fit was great, they decided that they really did want someone in the office. But, it gave me a chance to dust off the resume and talk about myself, never a bad thing.

plus, always the chance that an individual contributor spot comes up at some point that can be remote, and they remember me.

tjc78 · February 2020

I had something similar with a company just a few weeks ago. I was a fit, they really wanted to move me into the position but even though it was in the field they felt I was based too far south (they are in RI). After I thought about it, they were correct. I would have to be in the corporate office most Mondays. That's tough being 5 hours away.

abacomike · February 2020

I was reading an article online about the cars superstars drive this morning. Superstars include actors, singers, sports stars, movie directors and the like. They listed 100 men and women:

The top 5 makes were Ferrari, Mercedes (G, SLS, Maybach, etc.), Bugatti, Bentley (Continental,Mulsante) and Land Rover.

Ferrari and Mercedes were driven by 50% of the 100 listed. Of course the average retail price of the 100 vehicles was 1.75 million dollars with Ferrari the most popular by far. Bugatti's were third with 15 super stars driving them.

tjc78 · February 2020

I'd rather have a fleet of cars than something like that. I'd want options.

Sporty - Corvette or M3
SUV - Yukon Denali / Navigator
Old Luxo Boat - Mark III / V or Eldorado
Convertible - ???
Muscle Car - too many to list.

graphicguy · February 2020

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Maybe also to create business for lawyers when those pump jockeys start coming down with medical problems from being exposed to gas fumes day after day unlike like the self serve customer who only pumps occasionally.
I got a solicitation email from attorneys yesterday. It was something about lithium ion round batteries.

I wonder if the batteries in the electric cars and hybrids are round...

Imagine the danger these attorneys are protecting society from. All to get each person $10 and the attorneys $millions.

Got the same email. I trashed it.

graphicguy · February 2020

tjc78 said:
Had an interesting job interview yesterday. I was called by the HR VP the other day about a temp position with the competitor that bought us. Recruiter from their end read off a JD and it seemed like something I could do from home so I agreed to an interview.

I met the team and we all hit it off (I had met one of them at a show a few years back but she didn't remember). Once they explained the job we all looked at each other like "why is he here". It was for a WHS position inventorying fixtures and preparing for shipment. Someone had their signals crossed.

They asked if I was relocatable to Dallas, which I'm not. So it turned to field work. They don't have anything right now but are keeping me in mind.

Just a weird thing all the way around, but it can't hurt to have as much interview experience as possible.

This was quite a few years ago, but a relatively prominent tech defense contractor in Dayton, OH had their HR dept reach out to me. I knew quite a few people who worked there. But, at the time, I was working for one of their smaller competitors. It was supposedly a Business Development position (looking at other areas to expand business outside of defense) which is my bread and butter.

Never hurts to listen. Plus, they were only about an hour north of me.

Sat down at the interview. HR was in the first meeting, briefing me on who I'd be meeting with. It was a panel of people I would be interfacing with regularly, with the lead interviewer being the Director of the dept.

All was going well. Small talk was cordial and we all "spoke the same language" of defense acronyms. Lead interviewer comes in late started asking me questions, none of them related to Business Development. I answered them but thought the questions to be odd.

Finally, I asked the interviewer what exactly he had in mind for the position. He said it was for a Regional Service Manger. Yeah, I can service them, and I was already in a management position at the time. But, it would be a terrible waste of my talents, and the salary I was asking, they could have hired someone a whole lot cheaper.

Interviewer looked at HR and asked them what they thought about the position they were screening for.

All-in-all, I was stuck in the middle of a very awkward situation. We smiled, shook hands with me telling them I could recommend someone better suited to the job. But, I never heard from the recruiter, again. I see the lead interviewer from time-to-time at trade shows. We always relay the story, laugh and move on.

ronsteve · February 2020

driver100 said:
btw...Ford vs Ferrari was on Amazon Prime.
For the most part the movie was pretty accurate, SPOILER ALERT, the 3 cars finishing together is true, and Ken Miles did die in a car accident shortly after Le Mans, and Miles was scammed out of winning.
What is not true in Ford vs Ferrari

What is still unclear is what the technicality actually was about the #2 starting farther back, and whether it would still have won the race if the #1 had beat him to the line. The side-by-side finish shown in the movie may have been what they were trying for, but either Miles backed off and/or McLaren accelerated, and the #2 was clearly the first across the line. And it was raining at the finish.

I thought they were making them look a little too fast through Mulsanne corner, and it was also interesting that when Miles was going over the track layout, he mentioned every corner by name EXCEPT Indianapolis.

And Miles wasn't actually listening to the 1965 race in Shelby's shop at LAX... he was racing a GT40. DNF.

driver100 · February 2020

cdnpinhead said:
Link doesn't work, at least for me.

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/ford-v-ferrari/
Sorry about that...doesn't seem to work these days.

cdnpinhead · February 2020

Thanks -- that one worked. Interesting stuff.

driver100 · February 2020

ronsteve said:

driver100 said:
btw...Ford vs Ferrari was on Amazon Prime.
For the most part the movie was pretty accurate, SPOILER ALERT, the 3 cars finishing together is true, and Ken Miles did die in a car accident shortly after Le Mans, and Miles was scammed out of winning.
What is not true in Ford vs Ferrari
What is still unclear is what the technicality actually was about the #2 starting farther back, and whether it would still have won the race if the #1 had beat him to the line. The side-by-side finish shown in the movie may have been what they were trying for, but either Miles backed off and/or McLaren accelerated, and the #2 was clearly the first across the line. And it was raining at the finish.

I thought they were making them look a little too fast through Mulsanne corner, and it was also interesting that when Miles was going over the track layout, he mentioned every corner by name EXCEPT Indianapolis.

And Miles wasn't actually listening to the 1965 race in Shelby's shop at LAX... he was racing a GT40. DNF.

That point was covered in the link. The race is based on the time to complete if I understand it correctly, since the McClaren car started later in the pack it completed the race in less time (went further distance).....keep in mind they all finished together, but, the McClaren car covered more miles in that amount of time. If Miles had completed the race on his own, he would have won because he would do the total race in less time.

fintail · February 2020

It could be a foot in the door. I've had relatively similar experience from recruiters who contact me, sometimes with positions not even close to my credentials or CV.

At least they seem to be moving the process along. It seems the hiring process here, at large firms anyway, is really slow right now. Yesterday I heard that an old co-worker who just started with a large tech/commerce group here interviewed in November, and just started 2 weeks ago.

tjc78 said:
Had an interesting job interview yesterday. I was called by the HR VP the other day about a temp position with the competitor that bought us. Recruiter from their end read off a JD and it seemed like something I could do from home so I agreed to an interview.

Just a weird thing all the way around, but it can't hurt to have as much interview experience as possible.

driver100 · February 2020

Mrs D flew home for a few days....can't be gone for more than 2 months at a time for some reason. She got there last night, took the GLK off the trickle charger, drove one block to a neighbors house to pick up the mail.....the temperature was -10F.......unusually cold.
She drove home....car wouldn't start for her this morning. Took Uber to a doctors appointment. Called AAA, they came, boosted her car to start it. She drove it to Mercedes dealer.
Here is the lesson to be learned:
This is what the service advisor theorizes; The trickle charger probably doesn't keep the batteries power topped up, it allows just enough of a charge to keep all the instruments and settings working. Will probably start the car, but, under extreme conditions like this....very cold, the battery won't be kept charged very much.
She is going out of town this afternoon, hoping the driving will keep the battery charged enough.

oldfarmer50 · February 2020

tjc78 said:
Had an interesting job interview yesterday. I was called by the HR VP the other day about a temp position with the competitor that bought us. Recruiter from their end read off a JD and it seemed like something I could do from home so I agreed to an interview.

I met the team and we all hit it off (I had met one of them at a show a few years back but she didn't remember). Once they explained the job we all looked at each other like "why is he here". It was for a WHS position inventorying fixtures and preparing for shipment. Someone had their signals crossed.

They asked if I was relocatable to Dallas, which I'm not. So it turned to field work. They don't have anything right now but are keeping me in mind.

Just a weird thing all the way around, but it can't hurt to have as much interview experience as possible.

Maybe you can get the job of the guy who gets fired for wasting everybody’s time.

ronsteve · February 2020

driver100 said:

ronsteve said:

driver100 said:
btw...Ford vs Ferrari was on Amazon Prime.
For the most part the movie was pretty accurate, SPOILER ALERT, the 3 cars finishing together is true, and Ken Miles did die in a car accident shortly after Le Mans, and Miles was scammed out of winning.
What is not true in Ford vs Ferrari
What is still unclear is what the technicality actually was about the #2 starting farther back, and whether it would still have won the race if the #1 had beat him to the line. The side-by-side finish shown in the movie may have been what they were trying for, but either Miles backed off and/or McLaren accelerated, and the #2 was clearly the first across the line. And it was raining at the finish.

I thought they were making them look a little too fast through Mulsanne corner, and it was also interesting that when Miles was going over the track layout, he mentioned every corner by name EXCEPT Indianapolis.

And Miles wasn't actually listening to the 1965 race in Shelby's shop at LAX... he was racing a GT40. DNF.
That point was covered in the link. The race is based on the time to complete if I understand it correctly, since the McClaren car started later in the pack it completed the race in less time (went further distance).....keep in mind they all finished together, but, the McClaren car covered more miles in that amount of time. If Miles had completed the race on his own, he would have won because he would do the total race in less time.

I think you missed what I was trying to say...

I know the rule would have covered a photo finish... just give it to the one that started farther back. What we still don't know is if, say, Miles had led a flying wedge across (think Miles in front, with the 2 and the 5 side by side behind him), who would have won?

And my other point was they did not end up in the dead heat portrayed in the film. McLaren clearly moved ahead in the last few seconds. Whether it was his own acceleration, or Miles backed off because he was pissed off. Actually the former seems more plausible because of how far back the privateer #5 was.
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0Rd3ybAY/s6/lemans-24-hours-of-le-mans-1966-ford-s-first-win-in-the-24-hours-of-le-mans-1966-the-winni.jpg

driver100 · February 2020

Ronsteve, I believe that if Miles had crossed the line first he would have won, and it seems that he did slow down and McClaren sped up. He may have had to cross in enough seconds ahead, to make up for the extra distance McClaren had to make up. That is how I read this, unless I am still not getting it...which is very possible at age 72.
[SPOILER ALERT] Is the finish of the race at the end of Ford v Ferrari based on the true story?
Yes. Video and photos exist of the three Ford race cars finishing together at the 24 Hours of Le Mans race. It's true that Ken Miles had been minutes ahead of the other cars, but due to self-serving instructions from Ford, combined with a technicality, Miles was given second place instead of first. Ford management had indeed instructed him to slow down so that all three of their cars could cross the finish line together. Miles wasn't as outraged over the idea as he is in the movie. In an effort to please the company he worked for, he let off the gas. It is believed that despite team orders, Bruce McLaren accelerated just ahead of Miles at the last moment in an attempt to finish in the top spot (in the film, all three cars cross at the same time).

Even if Ken Miles had been slightly ahead or tied with McLaren when the race ended, the fact that he obeyed orders from Ford and slowed down is what cost him the win. This is because race officials ruled that since Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon started the race further back, they therefore covered a greater distance in the same time. The bungled photo finish resulted in Ken Miles being denied the coveted chance of winning Sebring, Daytona, and Le Mans all in the same year. Unlike in the movie, Carroll Shelby admitted to being involved in ordering the three Ford cars to cross together, a decision he regretted for the rest of his life because of what it cost Ken Miles

graphicguy · February 2020

Interesting take.....

https://youtu.be/1ajb8OdfduQ

cdnpinhead · February 2020

oldfarmer50 said:
Maybe you can get the job of the guy who gets fired for wasting everybody’s time.

That's a growth industry if there ever was one. Sadly, those people often wield unreasonable power.

Go figure.

explorerx4 · February 2020

Here's a link to a discussion on who won the 1966 24 hour Lemans race.
Not sure who the poster's are, but some have F1 World Champ in their sig.
https://ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/why-ken-miles-did-not-win-the-66-le-mans-24.612646/

driver100 · February 2020

Explorer....that is what I tried to explain...took me a lot more words but that is what I am trying to say.

driver100 · February 2020

Car #1 is the second car in line....#2 is fourth...that must be the difference in distance.

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