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graphicguy · June 2020

tjc78 said:
GG pretty accurate description of the MGM. I was going to warn you about lack of Bluetooth, but got sidetracked.

What year was it? 03+ much better than 98-02

And yes the platform dates back 41 years to 1979. Not much changed until 2003 when they went to rack and pinion steering.

‘09. Rack and Pinion steering didn’t seem to help much. Can’t imagine what the steering was like before then.

Forgot to mention, there are casinos in Biloxi. I didn’t realize that and it really doesn’t matter. But, I saw a pretty full parking lot at the Hard Rock. Interesting.

graphicguy · June 2020

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:
So, returned from my little, fledging car delivery service. No drama, per se. Roads were about what I expected, and probably lighter than usual.

Left Monday at 5:30 a.m. (picked up the car on Sunday, night). Got to Biloxi around 6:00 p.m. Flew back yesterday evening. First time to Biloxi and spent some time (maybe 3-4 hours) just driving around. I liked it. That said, you know you’re in the Deep South.

The Merc did well. But, given most of the cars I’ve owned in the past few years have been on the sport(ier) side, the 10 year old Merc GM felt like it was designed 30 years ago, which it probably was.

Bolted together well, seams were straight (if not very tight). Didn’t rattle. Although loaded (power steering, power brakes, auto A/C, AM/FM/CD (except I didn’t have any CDs with me), power seats, leather (which wasn’t very good as the thin leather was not only cracking but also flaking). Digital dash that looked like something out of a ‘90s video game. LOTS of hard plastics.

Live rear axle would “jump” over bumps, unsettling the rear tires. The V8 and trans were all very smooth, but any of my most recent cars, with 2 less cylinders (at least) made the GM feel like it was dragging a boat anchor behind it.

That said, it got 23 MPG for the entire trip on RUG. It was big on the inside and road like it was on a cloud (except when hitting bumps, which unsettled it greatly, as mentioned). No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. No Bluetooth. So, my entertainment was a small Bluetooth speaker I stopped and bought at Walmart that was connected to my iPhone. Not Elegant, but did the job.

It had no steering feel and the brakes were “grabby” (could be I’m used to the Brembos on the Stinger). I locked them up a couple of times by mistake.

I can see the appeal the car had to the “older” demographic. For running errands around town, it would be comfortable. HUGE trunk and back seat. You sort of sat “on” the bench seat as opposed to “in” it. Zero lateral support, but you probably didn’t need it as it dove and leaned hard on its haunches most of the time. You’ll know if you’re going around a corner too fast because the tires and suspension will squeal and bang to let you know.

I’m not as tired as I probably should be. Could do another 10 hour driving day right now if given the chance.

Let relatives and friends know, I’m now a long distance car transporter, for those looking for such a service. Something tells me that business won’t be healthy for me if/when things loosen up with COVID-19. And, the snow birds leave this area for the warm confines of FL this Fall.
I think that the door pockets will hold a bottle of Geritol AND Metamucil.

RB....it wasn’t as bad of a driving experience as I thought it was going to be. But, it still wasn’t something I’d want to drive every day. It was a throw back to a different motoring era. Seemed simple enough. Body on frame, V8, throw in some luxury options of that time frame, don’t expect too much for the driving experience, and you won’t be disappointed. I would think that if you can keep one from rusting, it would probably last a very long time. But, only way I’d have one in my driveway is if someone gave it to me.

driver100 · June 2020

nyccarguy said:
Looks great @sda!

+1

driver100 · June 2020

fintail said:
My 2014 E350 (another unwanted car that sat around and I got a fair deal) was Iridium Silver. As you say, very easy to maintain:

That car had a very light grey interior:

abacomike said:

I have Iridium Silver with beige leather seats and beige interior door panels and arm rests. Carpeting is black as are the front and rear panels and the roof interior.

The Iridium Silver is a true bright silver and it does not show dirt or water spots. I haven't had the car washed yet - but I am going to take it to the car wash tomorrow - it's time!!! 🤪😜🤓

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

graphicguy said:
So, returned from my little, fledging car delivery service. No drama, per se. Roads were about what I expected, and probably lighter than usual.

Left Monday at 5:30 a.m. (picked up the car on Sunday, night). Got to Biloxi around 6:00 p.m. Flew back yesterday evening. First time to Biloxi and spent some time (maybe 3-4 hours) just driving around. I liked it. That said, you know you’re in the Deep South.

The Merc did well. But, given most of the cars I’ve owned in the past few years have been on the sport(ier) side, the 10 year old Merc GM felt like it was designed 30 years ago, which it probably was.

Bolted together well, seams were straight (if not very tight). Didn’t rattle. Although loaded (power steering, power brakes, auto A/C, AM/FM/CD (except I didn’t have any CDs with me), power seats, leather (which wasn’t very good as the thin leather was not only cracking but also flaking). Digital dash that looked like something out of a ‘90s video game. LOTS of hard plastics.

Live rear axle would “jump” over bumps, unsettling the rear tires. The V8 and trans were all very smooth, but any of my most recent cars, with 2 less cylinders (at least) made the GM feel like it was dragging a boat anchor behind it.

That said, it got 23 MPG for the entire trip on RUG. It was big on the inside and road like it was on a cloud (except when hitting bumps, which unsettled it greatly, as mentioned). No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. No Bluetooth. So, my entertainment was a small Bluetooth speaker I stopped and bought at Walmart that was connected to my iPhone. Not Elegant, but did the job.

It had no steering feel and the brakes were “grabby” (could be I’m used to the Brembos on the Stinger). I locked them up a couple of times by mistake.

I can see the appeal the car had to the “older” demographic. For running errands around town, it would be comfortable. HUGE trunk and back seat. You sort of sat “on” the bench seat as opposed to “in” it. Zero lateral support, but you probably didn’t need it as it dove and leaned hard on its haunches most of the time. You’ll know if you’re going around a corner too fast because the tires and suspension will squeal and bang to let you know.

I’m not as tired as I probably should be. Could do another 10 hour driving day right now if given the chance.

Let relatives and friends know, I’m now a long distance car transporter, for those looking for such a service. Something tells me that business won’t be healthy for me if/when things loosen up with COVID-19. And, the snow birds leave this area for the warm confines of FL this Fall.

Did you check the listings in Biloxi so you could drive back instead of fly?

https://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/d/milton-2011-cadillac-cts/7137624029.html

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

cdnpinhead said:
The farmer has spoken. It's interesting to see the breadth of knowledge available on here, and in time it's possible to glean the wheat from the chaff in terms of the source of it. In any event, this sure sounds like the real deal.

Once you’ve made enough mistakes you become an expert.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

sda said:

The roof replacement is complete. It took almost two days. I have a renewed appreciation for the tradesman that do this dangerous and difficult task. They did a great job. It was noisy inside and our dogs were not impressed.

I take it that’s a before and after look. What made you decide on a two-tone colored roof (black and beige)? Maybe it’s a car thing. Looks good though.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

Oh oh, doesn’t look good for used car bargains. We should have been buying back in March when they told us to wait.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:
So, returned from my little, fledging car delivery service. No drama, per se. Roads were about what I expected, and probably lighter than usual.

Left Monday at 5:30 a.m. (picked up the car on Sunday, night). Got to Biloxi around 6:00 p.m. Flew back yesterday evening. First time to Biloxi and spent some time (maybe 3-4 hours) just driving around. I liked it. That said, you know you’re in the Deep South.

The Merc did well. But, given most of the cars I’ve owned in the past few years have been on the sport(ier) side, the 10 year old Merc GM felt like it was designed 30 years ago, which it probably was.

Bolted together well, seams were straight (if not very tight). Didn’t rattle. Although loaded (power steering, power brakes, auto A/C, AM/FM/CD (except I didn’t have any CDs with me), power seats, leather (which wasn’t very good as the thin leather was not only cracking but also flaking). Digital dash that looked like something out of a ‘90s video game. LOTS of hard plastics.

Live rear axle would “jump” over bumps, unsettling the rear tires. The V8 and trans were all very smooth, but any of my most recent cars, with 2 less cylinders (at least) made the GM feel like it was dragging a boat anchor behind it.

That said, it got 23 MPG for the entire trip on RUG. It was big on the inside and road like it was on a cloud (except when hitting bumps, which unsettled it greatly, as mentioned). No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. No Bluetooth. So, my entertainment was a small Bluetooth speaker I stopped and bought at Walmart that was connected to my iPhone. Not Elegant, but did the job.

It had no steering feel and the brakes were “grabby” (could be I’m used to the Brembos on the Stinger). I locked them up a couple of times by mistake.

I can see the appeal the car had to the “older” demographic. For running errands around town, it would be comfortable. HUGE trunk and back seat. You sort of sat “on” the bench seat as opposed to “in” it. Zero lateral support, but you probably didn’t need it as it dove and leaned hard on its haunches most of the time. You’ll know if you’re going around a corner too fast because the tires and suspension will squeal and bang to let you know.

I’m not as tired as I probably should be. Could do another 10 hour driving day right now if given the chance.

Let relatives and friends know, I’m now a long distance car transporter, for those looking for such a service. Something tells me that business won’t be healthy for me if/when things loosen up with COVID-19. And, the snow birds leave this area for the warm confines of FL this Fall.
I think that the door pockets will hold a bottle of Geritol AND Metamucil.
RB....it wasn’t as bad of a driving experience as I thought it was going to be. But, it still wasn’t something I’d want to drive every day. It was a throw back to a different motoring era. Seemed simple enough. Body on frame, V8, throw in some luxury options of that time frame, don’t expect too much for the driving experience, and you won’t be disappointed. I would think that if you can keep one from rusting, it would probably last a very long time. But, only way I’d have one in my driveway is if someone gave it to me.

I thought you were going to say the only way you’d have one in your driveway was if a senior citizen or @tjc78 were visiting.

jmonroe

graphicguy · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:
So, returned from my little, fledging car delivery service. No drama, per se. Roads were about what I expected, and probably lighter than usual.

Left Monday at 5:30 a.m. (picked up the car on Sunday, night). Got to Biloxi around 6:00 p.m. Flew back yesterday evening. First time to Biloxi and spent some time (maybe 3-4 hours) just driving around. I liked it. That said, you know you’re in the Deep South.

The Merc did well. But, given most of the cars I’ve owned in the past few years have been on the sport(ier) side, the 10 year old Merc GM felt like it was designed 30 years ago, which it probably was.

Bolted together well, seams were straight (if not very tight). Didn’t rattle. Although loaded (power steering, power brakes, auto A/C, AM/FM/CD (except I didn’t have any CDs with me), power seats, leather (which wasn’t very good as the thin leather was not only cracking but also flaking). Digital dash that looked like something out of a ‘90s video game. LOTS of hard plastics.

Live rear axle would “jump” over bumps, unsettling the rear tires. The V8 and trans were all very smooth, but any of my most recent cars, with 2 less cylinders (at least) made the GM feel like it was dragging a boat anchor behind it.

That said, it got 23 MPG for the entire trip on RUG. It was big on the inside and road like it was on a cloud (except when hitting bumps, which unsettled it greatly, as mentioned). No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. No Bluetooth. So, my entertainment was a small Bluetooth speaker I stopped and bought at Walmart that was connected to my iPhone. Not Elegant, but did the job.

It had no steering feel and the brakes were “grabby” (could be I’m used to the Brembos on the Stinger). I locked them up a couple of times by mistake.

I can see the appeal the car had to the “older” demographic. For running errands around town, it would be comfortable. HUGE trunk and back seat. You sort of sat “on” the bench seat as opposed to “in” it. Zero lateral support, but you probably didn’t need it as it dove and leaned hard on its haunches most of the time. You’ll know if you’re going around a corner too fast because the tires and suspension will squeal and bang to let you know.

I’m not as tired as I probably should be. Could do another 10 hour driving day right now if given the chance.

Let relatives and friends know, I’m now a long distance car transporter, for those looking for such a service. Something tells me that business won’t be healthy for me if/when things loosen up with COVID-19. And, the snow birds leave this area for the warm confines of FL this Fall.
Did you check the listings in Biloxi so you could drive back instead of fly?

https://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/d/milton-2011-cadillac-cts/7137624029.html

That would have been a helluva ride back!!!!!

explorerx4 · June 2020

Since when does repainting the front bumper show up on Carfax?

stickguy · June 2020

When the body shop reports it

roadburner · June 2020

In the first Cannonball Run a trio of enterprising young men found an elderly guy who needed someone to drive his Cadillac Sedan DeVille from NY to CA. He gave the guys a list of rules to follow- how fast to drive, how early/late to drive it, etc. They finished third and had to wait a few days to "arrive" with the Caddy as they weren't expected quite so early.

fintail · June 2020

What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

jmonroe1 · June 2020

roadburner said:
In the first Cannonball Run a trio of enterprising young men found an elderly guy who needed someone to drive his Cadillac Sedan DeVille from NY to CA. He gave the guys a list of rules to follow- how fast to drive, how early/late to drive it, etc. They finished third and had to wait a few days to "arrive" with the Caddy as they weren't expected quite so early.

Famous last words, “don’t worry, we’ll treat your car just like it was ours...trust me”.

jmonroe

imidazol97 · June 2020

Somehow that's quite a mental picture of Graphicguy sitting in a Mercury Grand Marquis tooling along the interstate. If I were doing a cartoon of this picture, I'd have a thought balloon with a little picture in it of GG thinking of himself behind the wheel of his Stinger. Or of a Maserati. Or a Corvette Z06. Or an Acura.

I would think there could be some business as summer goes into September and October as US folks start moving south to their second homes.

But I do see carriers that hold 2 or 3 cars traveling regularly on north/south I75. They have interstate regulation markings on the cabs, but that doesn't mean their trips are long. That's the competition for someone wanting their car to get south without their having to drive it. How does someone advertise to make themselves known?

GG left at 5:30 am Monday morning. We usually travel south on Monday--not quite that early. The drive is delightful because traffic is light through Kentucky. Coming home on Wednesday northbound, traffic is more normal.

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

explorerx4 said:
Since when does repainting the front bumper show up on Carfax?

Sounds like the indie repair shop is a squealer. I always wondered if my body guy reported to CarFax.

I hope the repair shops for these drivers had more discretion.

https://youtu.be/FPjWViwiU8Y

driver100 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:
So, returned from my little, fledging car delivery service. No drama, per se. Roads were about what I expected, and probably lighter than usual.

Left Monday at 5:30 a.m. (picked up the car on Sunday, night). Got to Biloxi around 6:00 p.m. Flew back yesterday evening. First time to Biloxi and spent some time (maybe 3-4 hours) just driving around. I liked it. That said, you know you’re in the Deep South.

The Merc did well. But, given most of the cars I’ve owned in the past few years have been on the sport(ier) side, the 10 year old Merc GM felt like it was designed 30 years ago, which it probably was.

Bolted together well, seams were straight (if not very tight). Didn’t rattle. Although loaded (power steering, power brakes, auto A/C, AM/FM/CD (except I didn’t have any CDs with me), power seats, leather (which wasn’t very good as the thin leather was not only cracking but also flaking). Digital dash that looked like something out of a ‘90s video game. LOTS of hard plastics.

Live rear axle would “jump” over bumps, unsettling the rear tires. The V8 and trans were all very smooth, but any of my most recent cars, with 2 less cylinders (at least) made the GM feel like it was dragging a boat anchor behind it.

That said, it got 23 MPG for the entire trip on RUG. It was big on the inside and road like it was on a cloud (except when hitting bumps, which unsettled it greatly, as mentioned). No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. No Bluetooth. So, my entertainment was a small Bluetooth speaker I stopped and bought at Walmart that was connected to my iPhone. Not Elegant, but did the job.

It had no steering feel and the brakes were “grabby” (could be I’m used to the Brembos on the Stinger). I locked them up a couple of times by mistake.

I can see the appeal the car had to the “older” demographic. For running errands around town, it would be comfortable. HUGE trunk and back seat. You sort of sat “on” the bench seat as opposed to “in” it. Zero lateral support, but you probably didn’t need it as it dove and leaned hard on its haunches most of the time. You’ll know if you’re going around a corner too fast because the tires and suspension will squeal and bang to let you know.

I’m not as tired as I probably should be. Could do another 10 hour driving day right now if given the chance.

Let relatives and friends know, I’m now a long distance car transporter, for those looking for such a service. Something tells me that business won’t be healthy for me if/when things loosen up with COVID-19. And, the snow birds leave this area for the warm confines of FL this Fall.
Did you check the listings in Biloxi so you could drive back instead of fly?

https://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/d/milton-2011-cadillac-cts/7137624029.html

I don't get it. For one thing aren't coupes 2 doors unless they are one of those low slung 4 door models that try to have the look of a 2 door. It is a 2011 and he wants $29000. 51000 miles is pretty good, but still seems a little over priced. Our 2014 C250 with 34k miles seems like a better bargain at half the price....and no accidents.

driver100 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

cdnpinhead said:
The farmer has spoken. It's interesting to see the breadth of knowledge available on here, and in time it's possible to glean the wheat from the chaff in terms of the source of it. In any event, this sure sounds like the real deal.
Once you’ve made enough mistakes you become an expert.

It is the only way to become an expert!

driver100 · June 2020

fintail said:
What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

I didn't think to ask....whatever model he gave me wouldn't have any meaning to me. I'll watch for it and let you know.
He loved his Mercedes, I get the impression he decided to sit in the Lexus and he was impressed with it compared to his 12 year old car. From my experience, the Lexus looks and feels luxurious....but, just not quite the same as an MB.
Maybe Mike can explain it, since he sold both....and now he gravitates to MBs

explorerx4 · June 2020

A CTS V is sort of an AMG Cadillac.

driver100 · June 2020

Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.

driver100 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
Since when does repainting the front bumper show up on Carfax?
Sounds like the indie repair shop is a squealer. I always wondered if my body guy reported to CarFax.

I hope the repair shops for these drivers had more discretion.

Loved the video....Guys who think they are way better drivers than what they really are. They have no idea about their limitations. Liked the guy in the Corvette, didn't just take out his own car....took an identical one out with him.

ab348 · June 2020

driver100 said:
Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.

You're not a used car kind of guy. How about a brand-new leftover 2019?

https://www.macdonaldbuickgmc.com/inventory/new-2019-cadillac-cts-v-rwd-sedan-1g6a15s6xk0138215/

driver100 · June 2020

ab348 said:

driver100 said:
Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.
You're not a used car kind of guy. How about a brand-new leftover 2019?

https://www.macdonaldbuickgmc.com/inventory/new-2019-cadillac-cts-v-rwd-sedan-1g6a15s6xk0138215/

Well, now it makes a little more sense but I guess I am suffering sticker shock....$95k for a Caddie just doesn't make sense to me....I don't think the name or track record equates to that kind of pricing. I like the looks, and the power.....but, I wouldn't risk $95k on one...or $29k for a 2011.....call me crazy!

jmonroe1 · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

cdnpinhead said:
The farmer has spoken. It's interesting to see the breadth of knowledge available on here, and in time it's possible to glean the wheat from the chaff in terms of the source of it. In any event, this sure sounds like the real deal.
Once you’ve made enough mistakes you become an expert.

When I was a working stiff there were times when I was called an expert. To satisfy my ego I just let them talk but I figured they knew something given they knew me way back when.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

cdnpinhead said:
The farmer has spoken. It's interesting to see the breadth of knowledge available on here, and in time it's possible to glean the wheat from the chaff in terms of the source of it. In any event, this sure sounds like the real deal.
Once you’ve made enough mistakes you become an expert.
When I was a working stiff there were times when I was called an expert. To satisfy my ego I just let them talk but I figured they knew something given they knew me way back when.

jmonroe

Every time someone called me an expert or a professional I knew they were getting ready to screw me somehow.

driver100 · June 2020

Maybe professional expert B.S.er

ab348 · June 2020

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:
Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.
You're not a used car kind of guy. How about a brand-new leftover 2019?

https://www.macdonaldbuickgmc.com/inventory/new-2019-cadillac-cts-v-rwd-sedan-1g6a15s6xk0138215/
Well, now it makes a little more sense but I guess I am suffering sticker shock....$95k for a Caddie just doesn't make sense to me....I don't think the name or track record equates to that kind of pricing. I like the looks, and the power.....but, I wouldn't risk $95k on one...or $29k for a 2011.....call me crazy!

It's a heckuva deal, originally $104K, so it's $9000 off! Tell Mrs. Driver you'll be saving her almost $10K by buying it... :laughing:

abacomike · June 2020

driver100 said:

fintail said:
What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

I didn't think to ask....whatever model he gave me wouldn't have any meaning to me. I'll watch for it and let you know.
He loved his Mercedes, I get the impression he decided to sit in the Lexus and he was impressed with it compared to his 12 year old car. From my experience, the Lexus looks and feels luxurious....but, just not quite the same as an MB.
Maybe Mike can explain it, since he sold both....and now he gravitates to MBs

Has nothing to do with snobbery - preferring Mercedes over Lexus, that is! The Lexus is a great luxury automobile as is Mercedes. The difference is "soft" luxury (Lexus) vs "sport performance" luxury (Mercedes).

When I owned a 2001 Lexus GS300 and a 2015 Lexus GS350, they were not great handling cars nor were they fast. They were beautifully appointed and were typical of Japanese engineering and styling. Loved the soft leathers and the fit and finish of both cars. They were inexpensive to maintain and very classy looking.

Mercedes automobiles, on the other hand, have that classic look and feel of a German engineered car. They tend to be sportier and possess more horsepower, in general. They are more up to snuff in terms of safety and technology. It's the handling and performance that separates the two makes.

I've owned or leased 2 ES and 2 GS Lexuses so I have experience with the brand - and I sold them for 4 years. If you want a reliable, comfortable and softer handling and performance vehicle, go for Lexus. If you want a car that corners, performs and gives you a better feel of the road with great technology and a superior audio system, go for the Mercedes.

snakeweasel · June 2020

driver100 said:
Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.

New they start in the mid $80`s.

driver100 · June 2020

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:
Call it what you like......hard for me to imagine paying $29000 for it.
You're not a used car kind of guy. How about a brand-new leftover 2019?

https://www.macdonaldbuickgmc.com/inventory/new-2019-cadillac-cts-v-rwd-sedan-1g6a15s6xk0138215/
Well, now it makes a little more sense but I guess I am suffering sticker shock....$95k for a Caddie just doesn't make sense to me....I don't think the name or track record equates to that kind of pricing. I like the looks, and the power.....but, I wouldn't risk $95k on one...or $29k for a 2011.....call me crazy!
It's a heckuva deal, originally $104K, so it's $9000 off! Tell Mrs. Driver you'll be saving her almost $10K by buying it... :laughing:

lol.....$9000 off on a one year old car that is going to depreciate 25 - 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot.

driver100 · June 2020

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:
What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

I didn't think to ask....whatever model he gave me wouldn't have any meaning to me. I'll watch for it and let you know.
He loved his Mercedes, I get the impression he decided to sit in the Lexus and he was impressed with it compared to his 12 year old car. From my experience, the Lexus looks and feels luxurious....but, just not quite the same as an MB.
Maybe Mike can explain it, since he sold both....and now he gravitates to MBs
Has nothing to do with snobbery - preferring Mercedes over Lexus, that is! The Lexus is a great luxury automobile as is Mercedes. The difference is "soft" luxury (Lexus) vs "sport performance" luxury (Mercedes).

When I owned a 2001 Lexus GS300 and a 2015 Lexus GS350, they were not great handling cars nor were they fast. They were beautifully appointed and were typical of Japanese engineering and styling. Loved the soft leathers and the fit and finish of both cars. They were inexpensive to maintain and very classy looking.

Mercedes automobiles, on the other hand, have that classic look and feel of a German engineered car. They tend to be sportier and possess more horsepower, in general. They are more up to snuff in terms of safety and technology. It's the handling and performance that separates the two makes.

I've owned or leased 2 ES and 2 GS Lexuses so I have experience with the brand - and I sold them for 4 years. If you want a reliable, comfortable and softer handling and performance vehicle, go for Lexus. If you want a car that corners, performs and gives you a better feel of the road with great technology and a superior audio system, go for the Mercedes.

Enjoyed your comparison of the two. I haven't driven a Lexus, but I have been a passenger in a few of them. My impression was similar though I couldn't say it because I wasn't driving. I got the impression, the Lexus is beautifully appointed, made for comfort and classy......just misses out on the true joy of being connected to the driver and the road - and I got that impression as a passenger. However, if my Mercedes wasn't holding up, I would go to Lexus hoping to get more reliability, and give up some of the joy of driving.....maybe!

oldfarmer50 · June 2020

driver100 said:
Maybe professional expert B.S.er

I actually had a license for that.

tjc78 · June 2020

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:
What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

I didn't think to ask....whatever model he gave me wouldn't have any meaning to me. I'll watch for it and let you know.
He loved his Mercedes, I get the impression he decided to sit in the Lexus and he was impressed with it compared to his 12 year old car. From my experience, the Lexus looks and feels luxurious....but, just not quite the same as an MB.
Maybe Mike can explain it, since he sold both....and now he gravitates to MBs
Has nothing to do with snobbery - preferring Mercedes over Lexus, that is! The Lexus is a great luxury automobile as is Mercedes. The difference is "soft" luxury (Lexus) vs "sport performance" luxury (Mercedes).

When I owned a 2001 Lexus GS300 and a 2015 Lexus GS350, they were not great handling cars nor were they fast. They were beautifully appointed and were typical of Japanese engineering and styling. Loved the soft leathers and the fit and finish of both cars. They were inexpensive to maintain and very classy looking.

Mercedes automobiles, on the other hand, have that classic look and feel of a German engineered car. They tend to be sportier and possess more horsepower, in general. They are more up to snuff in terms of safety and technology. It's the handling and performance that separates the two makes.

I've owned or leased 2 ES and 2 GS Lexuses so I have experience with the brand - and I sold them for 4 years. If you want a reliable, comfortable and softer handling and performance vehicle, go for Lexus. If you want a car that corners, performs and gives you a better feel of the road with great technology and a superior audio system, go for the Mercedes.

Well said... however that Mark Levinson audio system in the Lexus was pretty good!!

abacomike · June 2020

tjc78 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:
What kind of Lexus is replacing the E? Will he be one of the 9 people this year who buys a GS?

I have a friend who bought his dad's 08 E320 Bluetec (short run model) when his dad tired of it. Around 120K on it now, no issues, my friend will probably keep it forever. He's a MB enthusiast too, and knows the car is pretty rare being a diesel with P2 and pano etc.

driver100 said:

A fellow at Tennis today asked how I liked my E. I said it was great, how do you like yours? He said he loved it.....it is a 2007, 270000 kms, about 150000 miles....never a problem. He is getting a new Lexus tomorrow. For a 2007 it still looks great....it is champagne color and he said he has never waxed it.

I didn't think to ask....whatever model he gave me wouldn't have any meaning to me. I'll watch for it and let you know.
He loved his Mercedes, I get the impression he decided to sit in the Lexus and he was impressed with it compared to his 12 year old car. From my experience, the Lexus looks and feels luxurious....but, just not quite the same as an MB.
Maybe Mike can explain it, since he sold both....and now he gravitates to MBs
Has nothing to do with snobbery - preferring Mercedes over Lexus, that is! The Lexus is a great luxury automobile as is Mercedes. The difference is "soft" luxury (Lexus) vs "sport performance" luxury (Mercedes).

When I owned a 2001 Lexus GS300 and a 2015 Lexus GS350, they were not great handling cars nor were they fast. They were beautifully appointed and were typical of Japanese engineering and styling. Loved the soft leathers and the fit and finish of both cars. They were inexpensive to maintain and very classy looking.

Mercedes automobiles, on the other hand, have that classic look and feel of a German engineered car. They tend to be sportier and possess more horsepower, in general. They are more up to snuff in terms of safety and technology. It's the handling and performance that separates the two makes.

I've owned or leased 2 ES and 2 GS Lexuses so I have experience with the brand - and I sold them for 4 years. If you want a reliable, comfortable and softer handling and performance vehicle, go for Lexus. If you want a car that corners, performs and gives you a better feel of the road with great technology and a superior audio system, go for the Mercedes.
Well said... however that Mark Levinson audio system in the Lexus was pretty good!!

Actually, Mark Levinson Audio was a letdown for me. It's part of Harman Karman so I was hoping it would be good. The write ups on that audio system were less than stellar. Perhaps the newer systems are better.

ronsteve · June 2020

benjaminh said:
I think you can see why this is one of my favorite roads in Louisville to drive on....

Hopefully not too much hard performance driving, because it's in a park!

The big downside of the Louisville Loop is that it's almost entirely concrete, so sometimes in Beckley Creek I will run on the road just to give my shins a little less stress.

ronsteve · June 2020

benjaminh said:
It's the road running through this string of "emerald necklace" parks seen in this map. The name of the road is Beckley Creek Parkway. Start at Floyd's Fork park entrance from Shelbyville. The Louisville Loop bike and walking path that goes through this string of parks is also very nice. I ride on it often. My guess is that this part of the Louisville Loop bike and walking path is about 30 miles long.

The north end of Beckley Creek is MM 74, and it goes to MM 55 down at Broad Run, so there's a 19 mile section of the Louisville Loop. I've been running Pope Lick (roughly 68-62) quite a bit this spring but don't typically bike any of it.

Still quite a bit of work to do to link up the other bits and pieces, and of course Prospect is fighting their section. Wonder if it will take 40 years like the East End Bridge did.

ronsteve · June 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

the state that the Simpsons takes place has direct access to the open sea.
I'm gonna regret this ... how do we know this?

This looks like it should be a Bob's Burgers crossover!

tjc78 · June 2020

Since we talk about everything....

Gin, anyone?

Want to start making some Gin cocktails (well...wife does). I don’t know Gin other than Tangerey, Beefeater, or Bombay. Any lesser known that’s good stuff and won’t break the bank?

ronsteve · June 2020

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:
... ELO, ...
Xanadu

I prefer the "other" Xanadu...

snakeweasel · June 2020

Talking about roads I rather like driving along this road.

No the road isn't flooded, it's in White Pines Forest State Park in Illinois. The main park road crosses the river in a couple places and instead of building a bridge they built the road on the river bed so that park visitors can experience fording a river.

snakeweasel · June 2020

ronsteve said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

snakeweasel said:

the state that the Simpsons takes place has direct access to the open sea.
I'm gonna regret this ... how do we know this?

This looks like it should be a Bob's Burgers crossover!

The ultimate Bob`s Burgers crossover is when Archer did it. The title Character of each show is voiced by the same person.

snakeweasel · June 2020

tjc78 said:
Since we talk about everything....

Gin, anyone?

Want to start making some Gin cocktails (well...wife does). I don’t know Gin other than Tangerey, Beefeater, or Bombay. Any lesser known that’s good stuff and won’t break the bank?

Define breaking the bank, I am not a gin drinker but I really like Hendricks gin. I think it's in the $25 range for 750 ml.

stickguy · June 2020

tjc78 said:
Since we talk about everything....

Gin, anyone?

Want to start making some Gin cocktails (well...wife does). I don’t know Gin other than Tangerey, Beefeater, or Bombay. Any lesser known that’s good stuff and won’t break the bank?

how big is your bank is the question.

Hendricks is very good, and flavorful (like cucumber). Probably not what you want though for a cocktail with a lot of other components. But super tasty. Hendricks and club with a slice of cucumber.

https://rwilco.com/collections/gin/products/hendricks-gin

also heard good things about these two

https://rwilco.com/collections/gin/products/the-botanist-gin

https://rwilco.com/collections/gin/products/bluecoat-elderflower-gin

Up in Albany, we had something local. I doubt you can find it in a store around here, but it was excellent. I meant to buy some to bring home but the store I stopped at did not happen to have it.

http://www.tuthilltown.com/tuthilltown-spirits/half-moon-orchard-gin/

stickguy · June 2020

Bluecoat is out of Philly. once they reopen you can even go visit and taste.

tjc78 · June 2020

Thanks! I was thinking $30 for a 750 so these are all close.

stickguy · June 2020

I think I will pick up the bluecoat for our beach vacation week. Been meaning to try it.

trying the half moon though was a mistake. Well, letting my wife try it. Now she wants expensive stuff, not the usual cheap stuff I make her gin and tonics with!

tjc78 · June 2020

stickguy said:
Bluecoat is out of Philly. once they reopen you can even go visit and taste.

My favorite Vodka is local.

https://statesidevodka.com/

stickguy · June 2020

never heard of that one, but we don't drink much Vodka, but when we do it's Tito's.

that place is really close to Evil Genius beer co. I want to get down there someday. And walking distance to the Carvana vending machine!

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