Real-World Trade-In Values

qbrozen · July 2020

I’m seeing $16898. Not seeing the other price you mention.

Can’t be too sure what they have in it, since there is no mention of it, I’m assuming it is not a Premiere or Platinum trim, in which case the auction value is south of $13k. Could prob get them to knock $1k off. Maybe $1500.

ronsteve · July 2020

qbrozen said:
I’m seeing $16898. Not seeing the other price you mention.

Can’t be too sure what they have in it, since there is no mention of it, I’m assuming it is not a Premiere or Platinum trim, in which case the auction value is south of $13k. Could prob get them to knock $1k off. Maybe $1500.

I was seeing Cargurus or Carfax or something popping up in my FB with a thumbnail of it for $15600. Maybe that's an old price?

Dealer Notes says it's a Platinum, and it's got all the Helen Keller stuff... BLIS, Lane Departure Warning, Adaptive Cruise. Anything on the T6 I need to be on the lookout for? Is the bevel gear still a tricky spot in that generation? I know the 5-cylinder turbos like to clog the PCV, but no idea if the T6 has a better design.

andres3 · July 2020

nyccarguy said:
Hey @qbrozen - can you tell me what you think of this truck's pricing. Asking for a friend (I swear, you know Chevys aren't my thing)

https://www.devanchevybuick.com/VehicleDetails/used-2014-Chevrolet-Silverado_1500-LTZ-Wilton-CT/4458762353

2014 Silverado LTZ
4WD
Black
Automatic
Fairfield County, CT
3GCUKSEC8EG442232
52K miles
Looks to be in excellent shape inside/out (don't they all?)
Used at a Chevy dealer - not GM CPO

Chevy's are not my thing too, but I would not kick a dual-clutch mid-engine new Corvette off my lot either.

xwesx · July 2020

ronsteve said:
I was seeing Cargurus or Carfax or something popping up in my FB with a thumbnail of it for $15600. Maybe that's an old price?

Dealer Notes says it's a Platinum, and it's got all the Helen Keller stuff... BLIS, Lane Departure Warning, Adaptive Cruise. Anything on the T6 I need to be on the lookout for? Is the bevel gear still a tricky spot in that generation? I know the 5-cylinder turbos like to clog the PCV, but no idea if the T6 has a better design.

Dealer says they deliver.... I wonder what they would charge me....

tommister2 · July 2020

Hey @qbrozen I see a bunch of 2019 mustang convertibles in the ecoboost premium trim just hit the market. According to carfax reports they went through auction in mid June. Most have 20-30k miles. Do you see them in the auction data? Wondering what they went for. Most are $25-27k asking on local lots.

xwesx · July 2020

Hertz unloading stock?

tommister2 · July 2020

xwesx said:
Hertz unloading stock?

Probably, they are all former rentals

explorerx4 · July 2020

There is a dealer around here who buys Mustang convertibles in the late fall/winter and stores them in a warehouse until spring.

tommister2 · July 2020

Here’s an example VIN just in case you see this one

thanks in advance

1FATP8UH9K5159764

qbrozen · July 2020

ronsteve said:

qbrozen said:
I’m seeing $16898. Not seeing the other price you mention.

Can’t be too sure what they have in it, since there is no mention of it, I’m assuming it is not a Premiere or Platinum trim, in which case the auction value is south of $13k. Could prob get them to knock $1k off. Maybe $1500.
I was seeing Cargurus or Carfax or something popping up in my FB with a thumbnail of it for $15600. Maybe that's an old price?

Dealer Notes says it's a Platinum, and it's got all the Helen Keller stuff... BLIS, Lane Departure Warning, Adaptive Cruise. Anything on the T6 I need to be on the lookout for? Is the bevel gear still a tricky spot in that generation? I know the 5-cylinder turbos like to clog the PCV, but no idea if the T6 has a better design.

Platinum is about $1k more. So, if that is the case, and you find an ad for $15.6k, that would be a very good deal.

I’m not intimately familiar with that generation, so maybe do some digging on swedespeed

qbrozen · July 2020

tommister2 said:
Hey @qbrozen I see a bunch of 2019 mustang convertibles in the ecoboost premium trim just hit the market. According to carfax reports they went through auction in mid June. Most have 20-30k miles. Do you see them in the auction data? Wondering what they went for. Most are $25-27k asking on local lots.

Majority with 15k-20k miles are right around that $24k-$25k zip code.

tommister2 · July 2020

qbrozen said:

tommister2 said:
Hey @qbrozen I see a bunch of 2019 mustang convertibles in the ecoboost premium trim just hit the market. According to carfax reports they went through auction in mid June. Most have 20-30k miles. Do you see them in the auction data? Wondering what they went for. Most are $25-27k asking on local lots.
Majority with 15k-20k miles are right around that $24k-$25k zip code.

Wow, interesting. Thanks Q!

Michaell · July 2020

My sister is looking to sell her car - with 3 kids who drive and have their own cars, and all of them at home, she's running out of room to park them.

2008 Lexus RX400 Hybrid
Dark Grey with Grey interior

A few expected dings on the outside, and the interior could use a good detailing (should she get it done?)

Pretty new tires, she says.

All maintenance records since she bought it with 110K on the clock.

The issue is that it has 180K miles.

San Diego

What say the experts?

roadburner · July 2020

@qbrozen: Can you tell me anything about this G20?

qbrozen · July 2020

Michaell said:
My sister is looking to sell her car - with 3 kids who drive and have their own cars, and all of them at home, she's running out of room to park them.

2008 Lexus RX400 Hybrid
Dark Grey with Grey interior

A few expected dings on the outside, and the interior could use a good detailing (should she get it done?)

Pretty new tires, she says.

All maintenance records since she bought it with 110K on the clock.

The issue is that it has 180K miles.

San Diego

What say the experts?

I'm rather shocked at what these are worth even with those miles.

Assuming AWD, would you believe $5k at the block? Yes, if selling herself, she needs to shine it up like her last diamond. She could try $7995 and see what bites.

Heck, maybe they'll take it on BaT? lol.

qbrozen · July 2020

roadburner said:
@qbrozen: Can you tell me anything about this G20?

nope.
So it is just plain old used? No CPO and no demo, huh? Looks like about a $37k auction car. So maybe you could beat them down to $40k.

28firefighter · July 2020

I’m willing to bet this was a BMW NA employee lease.

nyccarguy · July 2020

roadburner said:
@qbrozen: Can you tell me anything about this G20?

It held the world record for the most expensive 4 cyl G20 BMW 3 series?

roadburner · July 2020

28firefighter said:
I’m willing to bet this was a BMW NA employee lease.

That would be my guess if it came out of NJ.

roadburner · July 2020

nyccarguy said:

roadburner said:
@qbrozen: Can you tell me anything about this G20?
It held the world record for the most expensive 4 cyl G20 BMW 3 series?

Another car that makes no sense to buy new is a really decent deal to buy used.

Michaell · July 2020

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:
My sister is looking to sell her car - with 3 kids who drive and have their own cars, and all of them at home, she's running out of room to park them.

2008 Lexus RX400 Hybrid
Dark Grey with Grey interior

A few expected dings on the outside, and the interior could use a good detailing (should she get it done?)

Pretty new tires, she says.

All maintenance records since she bought it with 110K on the clock.

The issue is that it has 180K miles.

San Diego

What say the experts?
I'm rather shocked at what these are worth even with those miles.

Assuming AWD, would you believe $5k at the block? Yes, if selling herself, she needs to shine it up like her last diamond. She could try $7995 and see what bites.

Heck, maybe they'll take it on BaT? lol.

I actually don't know if it's FWD or AWD.

But, I've passed along your thoughts to her. I'll let everyone know what she ends up getting for it.

corvette · July 2020

G20? Why is @roadburner interested in a FWD Nissan Primera that was rebadged and sold as an Infiniti in the 1990s?

jpp75 · July 2020

@qbrozen Any data on this 2017 Volvo V90CC? 47k miles, previous lease vehicle.

https://www.coloradosubaru.com/used/Volvo/2017-Volvo-V90+Cross+Country-boulder-0cea66a10a0e0ae71f441d0aa1bd19f7.htm

VIN: YV4A22NL7H1004692

Thanks!

stickguy · July 2020

that is a nice looking car.

tjc78 · July 2020

Yes, great color combo.

qbrozen · July 2020

jpp75 said:
@qbrozen Any data on this 2017 Volvo V90CC? 47k miles, previous lease vehicle.

https://www.coloradosubaru.com/used/Volvo/2017-Volvo-V90+Cross+Country-boulder-0cea66a10a0e0ae71f441d0aa1bd19f7.htm

VIN: YV4A22NL7H1004692

Thanks!

No. But estimated auction value is $27.5k. So figure $30k-$31k retail.

Seems like a lot for a volvo with near 50k miles. An comparable XC60 T6 Inscription is a whopping $7k less.

jpp75 · July 2020

Thanks @qbrozen I was thinking closer to $30k as well. I'm going to go look at it today, as @tjc78 and @stickguy commented it's a great color combo.

I drove a V60CC with @breld last weekend and the T5 is just too underpowered for me so I'm focusing on the V90CC with the T6. Carvana offered $32k for the Tacoma which I'm happy with so if this checks out I'm inclined to swap.

qbrozen · July 2020

but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.

andres3 · July 2020

What do you think Carvana or others should/will offer on my clean "autocheck clean" 2015 A4 quattro premium plus in midnight blue with a beige interior and 29,000 miles?

Very good condition, San Diego, CA, and 2 owners and 2 key FOB's.

xwesx · July 2020

andres3 said:
2 key FOB's.

Yeah, right up to the moment you hand it over to another steward.

Michaell · July 2020

qbrozen said:
but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.

This advice, coming from the guy who shopped the entire country for the 'right' super-SUV? :laughing:

We want what we want - do the reasons really matter?

stickguy · July 2020

That year xc60 is the old platform. In case the fancy new interior is important to JP

qbrozen · July 2020

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:
but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.
This advice, coming from the guy who shopped the entire country for the 'right' super-SUV? :laughing:

We want what we want - do the reasons really matter?

No. Just didn't hear from him on the subject, so I mention it again.

qbrozen · July 2020

andres3 said:
What do you think Carvana or others should/will offer on my clean "autocheck clean" 2015 A4 quattro premium plus in midnight blue with a beige interior and 29,000 miles?

Very good condition, San Diego, CA, and 2 owners and 2 key FOB's.

maybe $15k

Michaell · July 2020

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:
but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.
This advice, coming from the guy who shopped the entire country for the 'right' super-SUV? :laughing:

We want what we want - do the reasons really matter?
No. Just didn't hear from him on the subject, so I mention it again.

SUV - soccer mom vibe
Long roof - cool, hip, won't see yourself at every intersection (except when he meets up with @breld)

28firefighter · July 2020

Also, isn't the 2017 XC60 the previous gen XC60 - so none of the updated design language, infotainment, etc?

stickguy · July 2020

Correct

breld · July 2020

And to be fair, the V60 would be more comparable to the XC60...the V90 is technically a step up on the Volvo hierarchy.

pensfan83 · July 2020

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:
but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.
This advice, coming from the guy who shopped the entire country for the 'right' super-SUV? :laughing:

We want what we want - do the reasons really matter?
No. Just didn't hear from him on the subject, so I mention it again.
SUV - soccer mom vibe
Long roof - cool, hip, won't see yourself at every intersection (except when he meets up with @breld)

I think it depends on the SUV.

jpp75 · July 2020

I generally prefer the look of the wagon over the XC60. I've driven a couple of XC60s and they just didn't do it for me. The V60CC is the better size for me but I need the T6 which isn't offered in that model.

I did a quick drive of the V90CC today, it's on a donut spare right now due to a nail in a tire so it was quick. Overall it was great consider the age and mileage, will probably see if we can work some numbers when they get a tire in for it.

tjc78 · July 2020

The current T6 is great IMO. Can get up to speed quickly and smoothly with no lag. The faint supercharger whine is fantastic too.

Michaell · July 2020

pensfan83 said:

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:
but ... but ... XC60 T6. Unless you need a long wagon, the $7k difference does not compute for me, personally.
This advice, coming from the guy who shopped the entire country for the 'right' super-SUV? :laughing:

We want what we want - do the reasons really matter?
No. Just didn't hear from him on the subject, so I mention it again.
SUV - soccer mom vibe
Long roof - cool, hip, won't see yourself at every intersection (except when he meets up with @breld)
I think it depends on the SUV.

Examples?

sda · July 2020

jpp75 said:
Thanks @qbrozen I was thinking closer to $30k as well. I'm going to go look at it today, as @tjc78 and @stickguy commented it's a great color combo.

I drove a V60CC with @breld last weekend and the T5 is just too underpowered for me so I'm focusing on the V90CC with the T6. Carvana offered $32k for the Tacoma which I'm happy with so if this checks out I'm inclined to swap.

Don’t you already have a sporty Volvo coupe? Good experience?

jpp75 · July 2020

sda said:

jpp75 said:
Thanks @qbrozen I was thinking closer to $30k as well. I'm going to go look at it today, as @tjc78 and @stickguy commented it's a great color combo.

I drove a V60CC with @breld last weekend and the T5 is just too underpowered for me so I'm focusing on the V90CC with the T6. Carvana offered $32k for the Tacoma which I'm happy with so if this checks out I'm inclined to swap.
Don’t you already have a sporty Volvo coupe? Good experience?

Yes, I have a 2008 Volvo C30 and it's a great car, plus I had a 2015.5 S60 that I leased.

I've always been a fan of Volvos. My uncle had a 240 and 740 when I was growing up and a cousin had a GL for many years, so I'm a bit partial to the brand. I've enjoyed the Tacoma but after 2 years I'm ready for something new and a little more refined.

tjc78 · July 2020

I never thought I'd own a Volvo until I had that S90 rental and the rest is history.

dillydill · July 2020

Q,
I am curious how you liked the '19 Ioniq plug in and how the current market is for used ones.

There are some really good deals on leftover '19 Limiteds with the Ultimate package here in MA.
Stickers for 33K + and it looks like I can buy for 26K-27K + ttl.
The 26K-27K quotes also do not include 4500 fed tax credit and 1500 Massachusetts EV rebate.
It takes a few months to get the MA rebate and I would not see the tax credit until I file next year, but I could be all in for a brand new plug in for the low 20K's.

Thoughts?

qbrozen · July 2020

dillydill said:
Q,
I am curious how you liked the '19 Ioniq plug in and how the current market is for used ones.

There are some really good deals on leftover '19 Limiteds with the Ultimate package here in MA.
Stickers for 33K + and it looks like I can buy for 26K-27K + ttl.
The 26K-27K quotes also do not include 4500 fed tax credit and 1500 Massachusetts EV rebate.
It takes a few months to get the MA rebate and I would not see the tax credit until I file next year, but I could be all in for a brand new plug in for the low 20K's.

Thoughts?

It is a nice economy car with stupendous mileage. If I didn’t make money on the deal, I’d still have it.

qbrozen · July 2020

Oh, and a limited 2019 with low to no miles is worth $23k at auction, so $20k is a bargain.

BTW, I had zero issues charging up from 110v. I would suggest using at least a 15A circuit with no other load on it, however.

dillydill · July 2020

qbrozen said:
Oh, and a limited 2019 with low to no miles is worth $23k at auction, so $20k is a bargain.

BTW, I had zero issues charging up from 110v. I would suggest using at least a 15A circuit with no other load on it, however.

Thank you!

nyccarguy · July 2020

Hey @qbrozen - a friend of mine is looking at a 2018 Raptor in Westport, CT. 21K miles. Fully loaded recent trade in at a Toyota dealership. Original sticker $79K. Grey over Black. 10/10 exterior - 10/10 interior. Asking $60K. What do you think?

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