Real-World Trade-In Values

jvv1214 · August 2020

Haha I more meant is it something I have to pay for?

qbrozen · August 2020

It is dealer-access information only.

Of course, they can get cars from anywhere. Sometimes I get lucky, though.

If it was in an accident reported on carfax, odds are something was painted. Not covering anything up, just repairing it. But any UCM can look at a vehicle and be able to tell you what, if anything, was repaired/repainted.

roadburner · August 2020

woodyww said:

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:
On the heavier side for miles on a 2017, no?
It's a trade-off compared to the M3 at my dealer- it has the Competition Package, Executive Package, and it's CPO. Plus it has a complete dealer service history. All it needs is the oil changed in the DCT. On the M3 I'd need to replace the Chinese Ditchfinder Maypops immediately.
Do you like that dark purple-ish color w/the black interior? It looks depressing to me. Also the “Lumbar support delete”??--who would do that? And the 47K miles, esp. for a car like that--hopefully a rich college kid didn't own it......

I like the color- and it was a $5000 upcharge because it was a BMW Individual hue. The lumbar support was deleted on all CP cars.

isellhondas · August 2020

jvv1214 said:
Explorerx4, they gave me the Carfax which has an accident listed 2 years ago. I’m wondering if there’s any way I can find out the severity of it though. There are no details on the accident. Also, I wasn’t sure how much to discount for the accident. Their price is higher than a few listings in the area but they are my area dealer and I’m trying to get this done close to home.

" AN ACCIDENT" posted on a Car Fax could have been a minor key scratch or a broken off side mirror. Having an accident doesn't mean it's a bad car! Also, a lot of accidents even bad ones somehow never show up on a Car Fax. They can be helpful but they aren't 100 percent.

stickguy · August 2020

it might not make it a bad car, but it does immediately cut a trade (or buyout) quote by 10-20%

andres3 · August 2020

corvette said:
That's weird, Carvana has been consistently higher on my cars compared to Vroom. Good luck with the sale!

I'd agree, Carvana was consistently higher, until very recently with my sample of 1.

I haven't sold yet, due to a miscommunication and unclear email from VROOM. I thought they'd be mailing an envelope with an envelope inside to send them their requested items and documentation. Turns out all they do is send me a label to put on a package/envelope of my choosing. By the time I figured it out, too much time had gone by, and they emailed me that my offer expired this past Monday.

I would say they were "playing games," but they are not, they reissued me a new quote today for the exact same amount plus 300 miles or so (I think and hope as that's what I told him over the phone more or less). The quote number is definitely the same dollar amount; renewed for a few days.

I think I will get on with it, and make progress in sending them their requested documentation and merchandise.

One request makes me really queasy though, as I haven't received a penny yet, just an email with a dollar figure on it. It's a request for me to send them the car's Title, AND a Key FOB. I have a problem with the Key FOB.

For those of you that know my Key FOB recent history, you can see why I'm squeamish about this. I prefer Carvana's no fuss no muss approach with a check printed out to you when they pick up the vehicle.

VROOM wants to dot all their i's and cross all their t's before sending you a penny.

Anyone here actually complete a transaction with Vroom before???? @qbrozen I think you might have?

andres3 · August 2020

Isn't Carfax starting to list "damage repaired" indicating no collision, but something was fixed? Currently looking at a supposedly clean S4 that has this record. Could be anything from a replaced windshield to a "comprehensive" type insurance claim, right?

stickguy · August 2020

Vroom sounds like more hassle than Carvana. With them, they send you a link, you fill our questions and upload copies of all your required docs, and that is it. No mailing forms or keys, or waiting on payment. I dropped mine off and they checked it at the vending machine, otherwise the driver shows up, takes the keys, and hands the check over.

andres3 · August 2020

stickguy said:
Vroom sounds like more hassle than Carvana. With them, they send you a link, you fill our questions and upload copies of all your required docs, and that is it. No mailing forms or keys, or waiting on payment. I dropped mine off and they checked it at the vending machine, otherwise the driver shows up, takes the keys, and hands the check over.

Exactly, I'll give Carvana another shot, but I can deal with some "hassle" for 4 figures of cash difference.

jvv1214 · August 2020

qbrozen said:
It is dealer-access information only.

Of course, they can get cars from anywhere. Sometimes I get lucky, though.

If it was in an accident reported on carfax, odds are something was painted. Not covering anything up, just repairing it. But any UCM can look at a vehicle and be able to tell you what, if anything, was repaired/repainted.

I asked about the paint and was told the front bumper was touched up. I like the car and it rode well. I’m going to try and make a discounted offer and see what they say. I’m also going to ask a mechanic to take a look at it. Thanks for your help.

qbrozen · August 2020

andres3 said:

corvette said:
That's weird, Carvana has been consistently higher on my cars compared to Vroom. Good luck with the sale!
I'd agree, Carvana was consistently higher, until very recently with my sample of 1.

I haven't sold yet, due to a miscommunication and unclear email from VROOM. I thought they'd be mailing an envelope with an envelope inside to send them their requested items and documentation. Turns out all they do is send me a label to put on a package/envelope of my choosing. By the time I figured it out, too much time had gone by, and they emailed me that my offer expired this past Monday.

I would say they were "playing games," but they are not, they reissued me a new quote today for the exact same amount plus 300 miles or so (I think and hope as that's what I told him over the phone more or less). The quote number is definitely the same dollar amount; renewed for a few days.

I think I will get on with it, and make progress in sending them their requested documentation and merchandise.

One request makes me really queasy though, as I haven't received a penny yet, just an email with a dollar figure on it. It's a request for me to send them the car's Title, AND a Key FOB. I have a problem with the Key FOB.

For those of you that know my Key FOB recent history, you can see why I'm squeamish about this. I prefer Carvana's no fuss no muss approach with a check printed out to you when they pick up the vehicle.

VROOM wants to dot all their i's and cross all their t's before sending you a penny.

Anyone here actually complete a transaction with Vroom before???? @qbrozen I think you might have?

Yup, I have. Twice. Very inconsistent experiences with both companies. With the Land Rover, the back and forth through Fedex slowed things down considerably. With the Hyundai, it went much faster. Nothing through Fedex and they got the payoff quote all on their own, unlike Carvana who was insisting I had to get it for them. When I sold my Alfa to Carvana, they got the payoff on their own and it was quick and painless. So it just seems to be a crapshoot no matter what.

explorerx4 · August 2020

Vroom got the payoff amount om my loan, but I think they added a $25 charge.
I owed just under $2,500 and the payoff was listed as $2,513.

xwesx · August 2020

explorerx4 said:
Vroom got the payoff amount om my loan, but I think they added a $25 charge.
I owed just under $2,500 and the payoff was listed as $2,513.

The payoff is always going to be higher than the amount owed due to an interest charge estimate, which is good for a certain period of time, so is slightly higher than if you were to pay it off today. Granted, I don't think that it would amount to $25 for $2500 owed, unless it was a terribly high rate, but that is something to consider.

sb55 · September 2020

Q. We're thinking of trading our 2014 535D x-drive. White with brown interior. Driver assistance pkg (HUD, keyless entry etc) and cold weather package (so all heated seats and steering wheel). Just about 90K miles. No issues with it. VIN: WBAFV3C50ED685263

qbrozen · September 2020

sb55 said:
Q. We're thinking of trading our 2014 535D x-drive. White with brown interior. Driver assistance pkg (HUD, keyless entry etc) and cold weather package (so all heated seats and steering wheel). Just about 90K miles. No issues with it. VIN: WBAFV3C50ED685263

Sorry, but not enough comps out there. I think you should shine it up real nice and try carsandbids or BAT. Would probably do well. And see what carvana/vroom offer. Last one to go through had 130k miles, average condition, and got $11.5k.

28firefighter · September 2020

100% candidate for:
Cars and Bids, Bimmerfest forums, BMWCCA classifieds (if you're a member), Craigslist (last resort).

xwesx · September 2020

I want that car! Hahah

stickguy · September 2020

fly in drive home. Can't get much further away from you, so, perfect!

xwesx · September 2020

Plus, Vermont. I might just never make it home again.

sb55 · September 2020

qbrozen said:

sb55 said:
Q. We're thinking of trading our 2014 535D x-drive. White with brown interior. Driver assistance pkg (HUD, keyless entry etc) and cold weather package (so all heated seats and steering wheel). Just about 90K miles. No issues with it. VIN: WBAFV3C50ED685263
Sorry, but not enough comps out there. I think you should shine it up real nice and try carsandbids or BAT. Would probably do well. And see what carvana/vroom offer. Last one to go through had 130k miles, average condition, and got $11.5k.

Thanks. I got a quote from Vroom and Carvana. Vroom was best at $10,000.00. I guess that people are scared of diesel as it seems pretty low. A used 2014 Toyota Corollas with 100K miles is worth more!

xwesx · September 2020

They really did take a huge hit with the VAG scandal (regardless of brand). None have really recovered. The only vehicles to escape the stigma are pickups.

dad23 · September 2020

Can I get an idea on what to pay for this one, please?

2006 4Runner Limited 4wd V8
Auto
Blue/Stone Leather
104,000 miles
Seems pretty clean
VIN: JTEBT17R660064042
80138
Proudly asking $15,880

sb55 · September 2020

sb55 said:

qbrozen said:

sb55 said:
Q. We're thinking of trading our 2014 535D x-drive. White with brown interior. Driver assistance pkg (HUD, keyless entry etc) and cold weather package (so all heated seats and steering wheel). Just about 90K miles. No issues with it. VIN: WBAFV3C50ED685263
Sorry, but not enough comps out there. I think you should shine it up real nice and try carsandbids or BAT. Would probably do well. And see what carvana/vroom offer. Last one to go through had 130k miles, average condition, and got $11.5k.
Thanks. I got a quote from Vroom and Carvana. Vroom was best at $10,000.00. I guess that people are scared of diesel as it seems pretty low. A used 2014 Toyota Corollas with 100K miles is worth more!

Vroom just upped their offer to $10,500.00

qbrozen · September 2020

dad23 said:
Can I get an idea on what to pay for this one, please?

2006 4Runner Limited 4wd V8
Auto
Blue/Stone Leather
104,000 miles
Seems pretty clean
VIN: JTEBT17R660064042
80138
Proudly asking $15,880

Believe it or not, $14k would be fair.

dad23 · September 2020

Thanks @qbrozen, I guess I have to remind myself that the one we bought back in March was a steal during a different time...

corvette · September 2020

@dad23 are you replacing the 2007? The miles on that 2006 are really low compared to most that I see, and I'm sure that drives up the price. The V8 on those doesn't seem to improve performance compared to the V6 (the V8 has more torque but less horsepower).

andres3 · September 2020

What would you pay for a 1-owner lease return '17 Alltrack SE DSG with 31K miles? Blue with beige interior. 300 miles from me in AZ? Looks very clean.

What would you pay for a '16 Golf R in Red with about 13K miles about 80 miles from me? It has had 2 owners already, which worries me at least as much as the incredibly low mileage makes me want it.

qbrozen · September 2020

andres3 said:
What would you pay for a 1-owner lease return '17 Alltrack SE DSG with 31K miles? Blue with beige interior. 300 miles from me in AZ? Looks very clean.

What would you pay for a '16 Golf R in Red with about 13K miles about 80 miles from me? It has had 2 owners already, which worries me at least as much as the incredibly low mileage makes me want it.

Well, I wouldn’t pay much for the Alltrack lol. But it should be fair retail in the $19.5k zip code. More for CPO of course.

Probably about $32k-$33k on the R. No comps with those miles, so it is a guesstimate based on 30k miles going for $30k.

nyccarguy · September 2020

andres3 said:
What would you pay for a 1-owner lease return '17 Alltrack SE DSG with 31K miles? Blue with beige interior. 300 miles from me in AZ? Looks very clean.

What would you pay for a '16 Golf R in Red with about 13K miles about 80 miles from me? It has had 2 owners already, which worries me at least as much as the incredibly low mileage makes me want it.

I didn’t know Golf R came in red. I thought 99% were sold in that blue color with the other 1% being white or black;)

dad23 · September 2020

corvette said:
@dad23 are you replacing the 2007? The miles on that 2006 are really low compared to most that I see, and I'm sure that drives up the price. The V8 on those doesn't seem to improve performance compared to the V6 (the V8 has more torque but less horsepower).

@corvette we’re keeping the 2007, been extremely pleased with that purchase! Just looking for an additional vehicle for the boys as now all three are working

. I’d prefer another V6, similar year, trim etc, just having to be patient for another decent one to come along.

explorerx4 · September 2020

@qbrozen,
A couple of weeks ago, sold my truck to Vroom.
The transport driver said he was dropping it off at Manheim.
If you don't mind, can you see if an 2017 F150 Limited with 23,6xx miles on it went through the auction?
I go my loan payoff letter last week.
Thanks.

qbrozen · September 2020

explorerx4 said:
@qbrozen,
A couple of weeks ago, sold my truck to Vroom.
The transport driver said he was dropping it off at Manheim.
If you don't mind, can you see if an 2017 F150 Limited with 23,6xx miles on it went through the auction?
I go my loan payoff letter last week.
Thanks.

what color? which engine? how many doors? Did driver mention which state?

Looks like maybe only 3.5 Crew was offered as a Limited? I don't see any with those miles.

28firefighter · September 2020

Is this it?
https://www.vroom.com/vehicle/ford-f-150-2017-1FTEW1EG5HFC43408

explorerx4 · September 2020

@qbrozen,
Thanks, Limited comes in one configuration(as you noted) with a few options available.
Mine had about 3k in factory options.

qbrozen · September 2020

28firefighter said:
Is this it?
https://www.vroom.com/vehicle/ford-f-150-2017-1FTEW1EG5HFC43408

sounds like a nice truck. But $52k used? Holy crow. My F150 was $10k less brand new, albeit an XLT.

explorerx4 · September 2020

@28firefighter,
Yes, that's my old truck! I recognize the ending digits on the VIN.
The interior looks like it is new. Fix a couple of dings on the outside and it will looks good as new.
Great service history, no outstanding recalls.
I just looked at their list of features and some are left off, like auto parking assist, kick out side steps, power folding side mirrors.

28firefighter · September 2020

It’ll sell for that. Used car market is crazy.

explorerx4 · September 2020

I paid 56k for it new.
The interior condition and vehicle maintenance history are what separates it from others.
I'm ecstatic with what I got, if they can sell it for their price, good for them.

qbrozen · September 2020

My theory is they have local transport take the vehicles one at a time to the nearest Manheim where a company rep will get to see them all in one place and decide to keep or run through the auction. Then they can load all their treasures onto larger transports to head to their own lot.

tjc78 · September 2020

What was the sticker price on that truck? 70K?

explorerx4 · September 2020

@tjc78,
Sticker was 68,050. 2018's started about 5k higher due to getting the Raptor engine.

andres3 · September 2020

My A4 is on Vroom as "pending" and they want a $2,200 profit.

andres3 · September 2020

nyccarguy said:

andres3 said:
What would you pay for a 1-owner lease return '17 Alltrack SE DSG with 31K miles? Blue with beige interior. 300 miles from me in AZ? Looks very clean.

What would you pay for a '16 Golf R in Red with about 13K miles about 80 miles from me? It has had 2 owners already, which worries me at least as much as the incredibly low mileage makes me want it.
I didn’t know Golf R came in red. I thought 99% were sold in that blue color with the other 1% being white or black;)

I think it's 33% blue, 33% silver or gray, 33% black, and 1% red.

corvette · September 2020

andres3 said:
My A4 is on Vroom as "pending" and they want a $2,200 profit.

That seems lower than most traditional dealers shoot for.

stickguy · September 2020

That’s not uncommon for Carvana either I don’t think. Go for volume and low overhead?

explorerx4 · September 2020

Vroom is looking fro about 6500 over the price they bought my truck for.

andres3 · September 2020

explorerx4 said:
Vroom is looking fro about 6500 over the price they bought my truck for.

Sounds like you got jipped! Should have held out for a higher offer!!!

Carvana was about $3000-3,200 delta on my All track if I remember correctly.

LOL!

explorerx4 · September 2020

Their asking price represents about $120 a month depreciation from when I bought it.
I wish them good luck with that.
That 43k+ check I ended up with after loan payoff looked good.

jpp75 · September 2020

Hey @qbrozen, can you give me a value on a 2017 VolvoV90 CC, in Colorado, 28,500 miles, gray/black. It's in great shape and is CPO, has the luxury package (if that matters) and all the other goodies except for the 4C air suspension. Thanks!

qbrozen · September 2020

jpp75 said:
Hey @qbrozen, can you give me a value on a 2017 VolvoV90 CC, in Colorado, 28,500 miles, gray/black. It's in great shape and is CPO, has the luxury package (if that matters) and all the other goodies except for the 4C air suspension. Thanks!

As the seller or buyer?

If trading, you'd probably get $32k'ish. Probably $33k+ from carvana/vroom. As a buyer, well, is it the volvo dealer who CPO'd it the seller? If so, you are probably talking something like $38k. But if you would be the 3rd buyer (first being new, 2nd being CPO buyer, and now you), more like $36k.

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