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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 1,217
    Mine says one time transferable for $50
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 182,699
    tjc78 said:

    au1994 said:

    tjc78 said:

    So, I couldn't help myself....

    I get a text from the dealer I bought the Enclave from. Typical type of solicitation. I'm eligible for pull ahead, incredible October incentives, etc, etc

    So I said sure... quote me on a fully loaded Enclave @ 36/10. They only have four in stock, so I can only imagine how bad this quote will be.

    No intention of buying until after we close on the house, but with everything going on I can use some entertainment right now.

    When do you close? You’ve obviously got the upper hand in negotiation since you don’t have to do anything right now. Counter with something ridiculously low. It’s 2020, you never know what may be accepted.
    So they quoted a 60K Enclave Avenir at $847 a month with zero DAS.

    That’s seriously funny stuff right there. That must include a free Encore lease as well.
    36/12 numbers are .00007 and 53%, which means the adjusted cap is right around $62,100.

    Not much of a discount from MSRP, me thinks; or, there is a big discount, but they've marked up the MF to compensate.

    Either way, a hard pass.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,404
    edited October 2020
    Pretty sure those lease numbers are worse than a Tahoe or Yukon. That was the dilemma when I leased the Tundra--either I could have leased a new Tahoe, *or* a new Tundra plus two Tacomas for the same vig.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,003
    I’ll hit them up tomorrow for details just to see what they did.

    MF must be marked up big time as they show discounts and rebates.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTMember Posts: 14,664
    tjc78 said:

    I’ll hit them up tomorrow for details just to see what they did.

    MF must be marked up big time as they show discounts and rebates.

    53% isn’t a bad residual for a GM car. Who in their right mind would pay $850 a month for that car?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    just had to post this for Michael.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,780
    edited October 2020
    qbrozen said:

    I celebrated the news by taking the Pac out for a ... spirited ... drive to the pharmacy. It definitely has decent power, has more gears, is quite a bit lighter than our van, and has a lower center of gravity, so it can translate it into forward momentum more effectively. That's about it for positives.

    Hey, that's something! There was a time when such a loaner from "Chrysler" would net no positives at all! I believe @andres3 could attest to that! :D

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,003
    nyccarguy said:

    tjc78 said:

    I’ll hit them up tomorrow for details just to see what they did.

    MF must be marked up big time as they show discounts and rebates.

    53% isn’t a bad residual for a GM car. Who in their right mind would pay $850 a month for that car?
    Certainly not me!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 29,086
    xwesx said:

    qbrozen said:

    I celebrated the news by taking the Pac out for a ... spirited ... drive to the pharmacy. It definitely has decent power, has more gears, is quite a bit lighter than our van, and has a lower center of gravity, so it can translate it into forward momentum more effectively. That's about it for positives.

    Hey, that's something! There was a time when such a loaner from "Chrysler" would net no positives at all! I believe @andres3 could attest to that! :D

    I tried begging for a Challenger R/T they had but she said it was reserved. :(

    In other news, today was our anniversary. I confessed that I had pondered a convertible for her. She said “oooo... i would have liked that.” :rolleyes:

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 182,699
    This is the infamous "Scotty" I hear y'all talking about? I've never seen one of his videos.

    My dad was ready to buy a 4-cyl Camry LE when he found the Sonata. He could get the V6 for the same price, and he also discovered the sheet metal on the Hyundai was thicker than on the Toyota.

    My sisters mechanic was pretty impressed at the condition of ours - of course, being garage kept and only driven 2000-3000 miles a year on average will preserve a car well.

    Same colors as the one I'm bringing back to Colorado, just cloth seats instead of leather.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,780
    corvette said:

    I guess it's a moot point since they no longer offer the lifetime warranty as an option, but I wonder what they did if someone bought a car and the lifetime warranty and discovered they hated it a couple of months later--does the warranty and the money paid for it just vanish into thin air since it's not transferable?

    Not sure... although, the warranty game is exactly that: The group that offers it prices it where they bet that the amount of use it receives is less, on average, than the revenue it provides. Not factoring the time-value of the transaction, the average length-of-ownership cycle is short enough that I'm sure they figured it was a reasonable gamble. They weren't planning on the qbrozens of the world being the majority. Even now, at about 6.5 years, I'm sure that Q is in "elite company" in terms of percent of original owners still out there.
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801
    nyccarguy said:

    I've said before, as long as the bottom line is cheaper, I don't care what the doc fee is. I can't stand when a dealer makes it sound like they are charging it as a right of passage. "We have to charge it, it is pre printed on the bill of sale" I always politely say no, you don't HAVE to charge it, but if you choose to charge a doc fee, then you MUST charge it to everyone.

    When I bought my Legacy, the dealer closer to my house in CT (which is a different distributor, Subaru of New England) had a $299 or $399 Conveyance Fee. The dealer 15 minutes down I-95 (in New York) only charged a $75 doc fee. The CT dealer had a lower selling price, but after I netted out everything the NY dealer came out to $100 cheaper (on the nose). I went back to the CT dealer and asked him to lower his selling price by $100. He asked why. I explained. His answer was: "Well I don't see the problem. We ARE selling you the car cheaper than the other dealer, but we HAVE to charge the Conveyance Fee." I thanked him for his time and went to NY to buy the car.

    Can’t blame the dealer for trying, there are a lot of people who wouldn’t understand the BS the dealer was shoveling.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801
    qbrozen said:

    andres3 said:

    qbrozen said:

    service advisor called today. Apparently the van will be there for quite some time. Because it is a $4k job, FCA is sending an inspector. That will take a day or two, and then the inspector's report and decision is another 4-5 days. Lovely.

    I celebrated the news by taking the Pac out for a ... spirited ... drive to the pharmacy. It definitely has decent power, has more gears, is quite a bit lighter than our van, and has a lower center of gravity, so it can translate it into forward momentum more effectively. That's about it for positives.

    They gave you a free loaner???
    It is actually a rental! They are paying for it. They have a deal with the local Enterprise. And my lifetime warranty includes a loaner, sooo...

    I do have to pay $5/day, though, for taxes or some such fee.
    We often deliver cars to dealerships and body shops for use as loaners. Frequently we have an office near the area where all the car lots are located. I’m sure the dealer is willing to drive a customer across the street if he has insurance that will cover a rental.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801
    edited October 2020
    andres3 said:

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/304gVEYg/2012-volvo-s60-t6-awd-r-design

    I like the color, and it's not far from me, but is it fast? Will it fall apart and need monthly care?

    What about this as my FIRST BMW in life? https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9nqWpb8B/2000-bmw-m5

    Any pitfalls? What should it sell at?

    Aren’t BMW V8s to be feared? That vintage is my favorite style.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,780
    tifighter said:

    Another strategy is to eliminate most of the maintenance altogether.

    Hey, don't be coming in here just to stab us in the kidneys... You at least need to post for congenial purposes as well!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,780
    qbrozen said:


    I tried begging for a Challenger R/T they had but she said it was reserved. :(

    In other news, today was our anniversary. I confessed that I had pondered a convertible for her. She said “oooo... i would have liked that.” :rolleyes:

    Ah, I bet the clerk was just messing with you... :disappointed:

    Well, live and learn! Or, just live. I don't know about yours, but my wife will swear that I never learn (anything good, anyway).
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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,404


    Aren’t BMW V8s to be feared? That vintage is my favorite style.

    Yes, and at that age, is not going to be cheap to maintain (the 540i I owned from that generation a few years back certainly was not).
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    the Jetta loaner my daughter had this week was from Enterprise (last time IIRC it was just from the dealer). no real difference to her, but it did smell a bit (like smoke I think, or maybe it was the cleaners they used)

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801
    stickguy said:

    just had to post this for Michael.

    I thought Michael was getting an Elantra.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 15,686
    edited October 2020
    I assumed the caption in the video referred to the the person pictured.
    More than I want to spend, but I'm keeping this in mind.
    https://www.torringtonfordct.com/new-Torrington-2020-Ford-Expedition-Limited-1FMJU2ATXLEA52123
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 182,699

    stickguy said:

    just had to post this for Michael.

    I thought Michael was getting an Elantra.
    Nope. Moms car is a 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,404

    I assumed the caption in the video referred to the the person pictured.
    More than I want to spend, but I'm keeping this in mind.
    https://www.torringtonfordct.com/new-Torrington-2020-Ford-Expedition-Limited-1FMJU2ATXLEA52123

    Very nice! The shorter wheelbase is one of the things I miss about my old Tahoe, compared to the Tundra.
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAMember Posts: 7,671
    Of the most recent M5s, the E39 is probably the most highly regarded. But, you aren’t buying it because it’ll live on nothing but oil changes for 250k miles. You take care of it and it’ll take care of you.
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  • tifightertifighter WAMember Posts: 2,797
    xwesx said:

    tifighter said:

    Another strategy is to eliminate most of the maintenance altogether.

    Hey, don't be coming in here just to stab us in the kidneys... You at least need to post for congenial purposes as well!
    Hey, love hertz.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682

    I assumed the caption in the video referred to the the person pictured.
    More than I want to spend, but I'm keeping this in mind.
    https://www.torringtonfordct.com/new-Torrington-2020-Ford-Expedition-Limited-1FMJU2ATXLEA52123

    I guess replacing an F150, the size of the barge doesn't bother you! Not bad looking, but $80K sticker, yowzers.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaMember Posts: 14,780
    I love the look and layout of the new Expeditions. That price tag is a tough pill to swallow, though... for sure!
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 182,699
    xwesx said:

    I love the look and layout of the new Expeditions. That price tag is a tough pill to swallow, though... for sure!

    While I don't remember the sticker price on the '99 Expedition XLT 4x4 we leased, I remember the payment being $465/mo.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,003
    Michaell said:

    xwesx said:

    I love the look and layout of the new Expeditions. That price tag is a tough pill to swallow, though... for sure!

    While I don't remember the sticker price on the '99 Expedition XLT 4x4 we leased, I remember the payment being $465/mo.
    That’s my Volvo payment! 50K MSRP.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801

    I assumed the caption in the video referred to the the person pictured.
    More than I want to spend, but I'm keeping this in mind.
    https://www.torringtonfordct.com/new-Torrington-2020-Ford-Expedition-Limited-1FMJU2ATXLEA52123

    That’s a beautiful vehicle but that price! Yikes. That’s more than I paid for my house.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 17,801
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    just had to post this for Michael.

    I thought Michael was getting an Elantra.
    Nope. Moms car is a 2003 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6.
    My bad.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,080
    tjc78 said:

    au1994 said:

    tjc78 said:

    So, I couldn't help myself....

    I get a text from the dealer I bought the Enclave from. Typical type of solicitation. I'm eligible for pull ahead, incredible October incentives, etc, etc

    So I said sure... quote me on a fully loaded Enclave @ 36/10. They only have four in stock, so I can only imagine how bad this quote will be.

    No intention of buying until after we close on the house, but with everything going on I can use some entertainment right now.

    When do you close? You’ve obviously got the upper hand in negotiation since you don’t have to do anything right now. Counter with something ridiculously low. It’s 2020, you never know what may be accepted.
    So they quoted a 60K Enclave Avenir at $847 a month with zero DAS.

    That’s seriously funny stuff right there. That must include a free Encore lease as well.
    What a joke!

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,080

    I assumed the caption in the video referred to the the person pictured.
    More than I want to spend, but I'm keeping this in mind.
    https://www.torringtonfordct.com/new-Torrington-2020-Ford-Expedition-Limited-1FMJU2ATXLEA52123

    Pretty but man, yeah. These and the Tahoe’s have gotten crazy price wise.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,080
    corvette said:

    Pretty sure those lease numbers are worse than a Tahoe or Yukon. That was the dilemma when I leased the Tundra--either I could have leased a new Tahoe, *or* a new Tundra plus two Tacomas for the same vig.

    I can’t quite figure out why the Tahoe/Yukon duo lease so poorly. Nobody expects numbers like some of y’all found on Tundras and Tacomas but still...

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaMember Posts: 14,988
    Michaell said:

    This is the infamous "Scotty" I hear y'all talking about? I've never seen one of his videos.

    Neither had I. That one lasted less than a minute because he sounded like he was drunk, stoned, or otherwise intoxicated. Pass.

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  • corvettecorvette United StatesMember Posts: 8,404
    au1994 said:

    corvette said:

    Pretty sure those lease numbers are worse than a Tahoe or Yukon. That was the dilemma when I leased the Tundra--either I could have leased a new Tahoe, *or* a new Tundra plus two Tacomas for the same vig.

    I can’t quite figure out why the Tahoe/Yukon duo lease so poorly. Nobody expects numbers like some of y’all found on Tundras and Tacomas but still...
    The resale isn’t that great on them. You can generally pick up a 3 year old used one for substantially less than MSRP. Legitstreetcars got a screaming deal on an Escalade for his wife, although to be fair, it needed a little reconditioning and had a bad Carfax. 3 year old Tacomas and Tundras are like trying to score a bargain on a “demo model” Accord with 5,000 miles.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 187,472
    nyccarguy said:

    tjc78 said:

    I’ll hit them up tomorrow for details just to see what they did.

    MF must be marked up big time as they show discounts and rebates.

    53% isn’t a bad residual for a GM car. Who in their right mind would pay $850 a month for that car?
    People are leasing $36K Tellurides for $500/mo.

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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,080
    Just checked a local Chevy dealer out of curiosity. ‘21 Tahoe LT 4WD, 0 down, 36/10, $850/mo Tier 1 credit. $58k MSRP.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    I haven’t been shopping, but it seems that recently lease prices overall are up quite a bit. And the killer bargain $200 deals are not really out there any more.

    This jive with what the experts are seeing every day?

    Not sure if I’ll lease again next year or not. If I do, hopefully the market stabilizes by then!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 29,086
    "clean title" and "nice original paint"
    Anyone else looking at these pics find those statements suspect?
    C70 in FL

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    I’m real interested in seeing this. I always liked mini trucks.



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  • au1994au1994 GAMember Posts: 2,080
    stickguy said:

    I’m real interested in seeing this. I always liked mini trucks.



    Yeah, thats pretty cool!

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 15,686
    @qbrozen,
    Maybe they meant original paint color. :@
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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyMember Posts: 12,003
    Supply is down so I think that has something to do with it.

    If you are a willing buyer ready to sign, deals can be struck. I'm sure if I was ready to pull the trigger I could get that 60K Enclave down to $600 with zero DAS.

    Not even sure we really want one, I was just intrigued with "incentives are off the charts"
    Michaell said:

    tjc78 said:

    au1994 said:

    tjc78 said:

    So, I couldn't help myself....

    I get a text from the dealer I bought the Enclave from. Typical type of solicitation. I'm eligible for pull ahead, incredible October incentives, etc, etc

    So I said sure... quote me on a fully loaded Enclave @ 36/10. They only have four in stock, so I can only imagine how bad this quote will be.

    No intention of buying until after we close on the house, but with everything going on I can use some entertainment right now.

    When do you close? You’ve obviously got the upper hand in negotiation since you don’t have to do anything right now. Counter with something ridiculously low. It’s 2020, you never know what may be accepted.
    So they quoted a 60K Enclave Avenir at $847 a month with zero DAS.

    That’s seriously funny stuff right there. That must include a free Encore lease as well.
    36/12 numbers are .00007 and 53%, which means the adjusted cap is right around $62,100.

    Not much of a discount from MSRP, me thinks; or, there is a big discount, but they've marked up the MF to compensate.

    Either way, a hard pass.
    Backing into their numbers:

    MSRP - $59860
    Discount - $1653
    SP - $58207
    Rebate - 2500

    In order to get their payment I need to raise the MF to .0011

    So all in all they pretty much tried to hit a grand slam with this one.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTMember Posts: 15,686
    Most of the large SUV's I see are rentals.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoModerator Posts: 182,699
    stickguy said:

    I haven’t been shopping, but it seems that recently lease prices overall are up quite a bit. And the killer bargain $200 deals are not really out there any more.

    This jive with what the experts are seeing every day?

    Not sure if I’ll lease again next year or not. If I do, hopefully the market stabilizes by then!

    Seems like about half the folks who are looking to lease are appalled at how expensive it's gotten. "But, I leased my 2017 Grand Cherokee for under $400/mo. Now the dealer wants $550/mo for essentially the same car!".

    Yep, leasing has gotten more expensive, in general. Harder to find the 1% deals, like @tjc78 did on his Volvo.

    There have been some reports of sub-$200/mo deals, however. Just not on something most of us would want to drive for the next three years.

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  • sdasda Indian Land, SCMember Posts: 4,230
    It appears my Accord sold in two days. It is no longer listed. Someone got a very nice car. I hope they take good care of it! Feels odd to have a 'new' car and just have it sit in the garage as I work from home. I'll find a excuse to drive it this evening, even if it means going to Walmart!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 41,682
    that is what I was doing with my TLX, just going out to drive it to give it exercise and keep the battery charged. And why I cut it loose early instead of paying a lot of $ per month to have it sit there. Especially when we were also paying for another nice car that doesn't get enough use either.

    Just passed 7 month anniversary and I think just ticked over 2,600 miles. 1,400+ of which was put on in 2 weekends going up to NY/VT. So outside of that, probably not putting 200 miles/month on it (the TLX wasn't doing much more than that either)

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAMember Posts: 12,420
    stickguy said:

    the weird dynamics of monthly payment is what I love about leasing. The thrill of finding out what nice cars can be had for less money than boring ones!

    MEH! For me, leasing is the equivalent of the TIMESHARE industry. Too many reoccurring access points for scammers to scam and swindle you for more money, and you have no leverage to stop it. I prefer AirBNB, owning, selling, and hotels/motels.
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