Edmunds Members - Cars and Conversations

stickguy · October 2020

The discount isn’t that much. I used it just long enough to get the credit and I think it was in the $15 range. Only get a% of the liability portion, not comp or collision.

It also didn’t check speed limit, just had to keep it below 80 I think. Plus, you can go in and delete certain trips if you want.

28firefighter · October 2020

I don’t do the big brother thing for insurance. The only thing that should be influencing my decisions in a given moment is what is going on around me.

sda · October 2020

I don't need another speed monitor, I already have my wife. And if she doesn't chime in my daughter gladly does.

qbrozen · October 2020

My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"

andres3 · October 2020

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.

So now when a dog runs out in front of your car you'll be tempted to just run it over rather than slam the brakes and risk losing your "discounts" that are really just pre-paid and overpaid up front so they are giving you your own money back.

Not a fan.

andres3 · October 2020

28firefighter said:
I don’t do the big brother thing for insurance. The only thing that should be influencing my decisions in a given moment is what is going on around me.

On this we are 100% in total agreement.

Not the first dumb thing Insurance has done in their gloried history.

oldfarmer50 · October 2020

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.

I almost bit on that “big brother” device. I thought that particularly for the two cars that sit in storage for winter it would be fun to see what conclusions they would draw on a car doing zero miles per hour for months. I think the thing that killed the deal was a requirement for electronic withdrawal from my checking account. I’m a bit paranoid about that.

Does the device or app track your location too? I wouldn’t like that. I wonder what they’d say if I told them my phone can’t download apps.

oldfarmer50 · October 2020

andres3 said:

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.
So now when a dog runs out in front of your car you'll be tempted to just run it over rather than slam the brakes and risk losing your "discounts" that are really just pre-paid and overpaid up front so they are giving you your own money back.

Not a fan.

There’s a commercial where a woman is doing all sorts of behavior so as to not “mess with my discounts” including telling her husband to drive slow while in labor going to the hospital.

tjc78 · October 2020

My mom has the State Farm app BS on her car. I hate driving it for fear I’ll get her in trouble lol.

tjc78 · October 2020

Edit to say... it’s just another reason to hate her RAV4.

explorerx4 · October 2020

My son in law used one of those devices for a while, but they ended up always driving my daughter's car instead, so he ended up giving it up.

driver100 · October 2020

I didn't accept the discount feature for the reasons Andre stated. What if a kid runs out on the road and I have to slam on the brakes? You could be a very safe driver and it could work against you.
The insurance company claims your insurance can only come down in price.....not be raised, I don't trust them, they can always raise rates the next year if they don't like the report.

stickguy · October 2020

tjc78 said:
My mom has the State Farm app BS on her car. I hate driving it for fear I’ll get her in trouble lol.

Is it the dongle or the app? App runs off her phone so wouldn’t apply to you.

qbrozen · October 2020

qbrozen said:
My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"

Are you kidding me? Since when is ... s .. ch ... muck ... a bad word that requires censoring??

tjc78 · October 2020

stickguy said:

tjc78 said:
My mom has the State Farm app BS on her car. I hate driving it for fear I’ll get her in trouble lol.
Is it the dongle or the app? App runs off her phone so wouldn’t apply to you.

There is a little square box on her dashboard. I think it syncs to her phone and then uploads the data

omarman · October 2020

qbrozen said:

qbrozen said:
My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"
Are you kidding me? Since when is ... s .. ch ... muck ... a bad word that requires censoring??

11:43AM

andres3 · October 2020

qbrozen said:

qbrozen said:
My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"
Are you kidding me? Since when is ... s .. ch ... muck ... a bad word that requires censoring??

Is it worse than calling someone a Fredo?

Bonus points when the word malarkey is used during a debate.

omarman · October 2020

Never go against the family Dick Van [non-permissible content removed].

snakeweasel · October 2020

andres3 said:

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.
So now when a dog runs out in front of your car you'll be tempted to just run it over rather than slam the brakes and risk losing your "discounts" that are really just pre-paid and overpaid up front so they are giving you your own money back.

Not a fan.

The insurance companies are looking at trends not rarely occurring instances. So if today a dog runs out in front of you and you slam on your brakes and two months from now someone makes a left turn in front of you and you slam on your brakes it won't affect your discounts. But if you slam on your brakes 5 times a day every day it will.

snakeweasel · October 2020

qbrozen said:

qbrozen said:
My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"
Are you kidding me? Since when is ... s .. ch ... muck ... a bad word that requires censoring??

My guess is it was about a year ago when a early snowstorm brought down my [non-permissible content removed] willow tree.

suydam · October 2020

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.
So now when a dog runs out in front of your car you'll be tempted to just run it over rather than slam the brakes and risk losing your "discounts" that are really just pre-paid and overpaid up front so they are giving you your own money back.

Not a fan.
The insurance companies are looking at trends not rarely occurring instances. So if today a dog runs out in front of you and you slam on your brakes and two months from now someone makes a left turn in front of you and you slam on your brakes it won't affect your discounts. But if you slam on your brakes 5 times a day every day it will.

Except the automatic feedback I get from my Volt (not tied to discounts) has me hard braking about 3 times a day, which I don’t do. That experience taught me to avoid those discounts because the accuracy is not very trustworthy.

snakeweasel · October 2020

suydam said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

abacomike said:
My new Allstate auto insurance policy took effect yesterday. I noted that there are two additional ways to reduce my premiums every 6 months - by inserting a data device into my car's diagnostic socket or by using a smart phone APP that measures data using GPS as well as the phone's operation while driving. I turned down the first one which is a "plug-in" device but I did opt for the "Drivewise" APP within the Allstate mobile APP.

This APP, which monitors my driving time, driving speed, sudden braking, use of phone for incoming or outgoing calls during my trips, and time of day that I take each trip, is used by the insurance company to reduce my premium by as much as 8% in the form of cash-back to me - which is significant ($90.00 - $100.00). I get a discount for opting into the program as well. Initially, I felt a bit like "big brother watching my every driving move" but, interestingly enough, opting into this program has improved the way in which I drive every day.

I am not a speeder and I keep enough distance between me and the car(s) in front of me so I can safely stop without slamming on the brakes. I drive in the mornings and early afternoons and rarely drive in the evenings or nights which is a plus according to the insurance company. Prior to signing up for this program, I did frequently use Bluetooth for my phone calls while driving, however now I just let the phone ring unless the incoming phone call is from a contact that I need to speak with, which is very rare. I can always return calls if they leave a message.

As for my speed - I used to drive within 5 mph of the speed limit on the Turnpike and I-95, but now I make sure I do not exceed the speed limit. By observing the above more carefully, I can reduce my insurance by close to $200 per year, which is significant. Coupled with the $750 per year savings I am now receiving for my Condo insurance, that's a savings of $950 per year over my previous insurance for both Condo and Auto. Definitely a good decision to go with the changes in my insurance policies.
So now when a dog runs out in front of your car you'll be tempted to just run it over rather than slam the brakes and risk losing your "discounts" that are really just pre-paid and overpaid up front so they are giving you your own money back.

Not a fan.
The insurance companies are looking at trends not rarely occurring instances. So if today a dog runs out in front of you and you slam on your brakes and two months from now someone makes a left turn in front of you and you slam on your brakes it won't affect your discounts. But if you slam on your brakes 5 times a day every day it will.
Except the automatic feedback I get from my Volt (not tied to discounts) has me hard braking about 3 times a day, which I don’t do. That experience taught me to avoid those discounts because the accuracy is not very trustworthy.

I had one of those for our insurance and I don't think it ever recorded a hard brake or a heavy acceleration.

graphicguy · October 2020

isellhondas said:

nyccarguy said:

Michaell said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:
I remember bouncing into the rev-limiter on my sisters '84 RX-7 - not much power, but it sure loved to find the redline.
I bounced the Eclipse off the limiter a few times. I always chicken out on the Mustang because it’s going too fast before I reach 7200 rpms.
The test drive I took in the Mustang GT stick shift was pretty scary - it gathers speed very, very quickly.

And, I've had supercars over 100MPH on a track, before, so it's not that I'm a wimp about speed...
One of the reasons I LOVE driving my Prelude. For the most part, I can keep the speed reasonable and still have fun doing it. I think a BRZ or Toyota FR86 would make a great daily driver. People who have them LOVE them, but people who just read specs and reviews think they are too slow & underpowered.
The worst test drive I was even on was in a new Prelude. This guy managed to scare the living bejeeses out of me. For those who may not know late model Preludes are incredibly FAST! He blew down the freeway, tailgated people and was in idiot. I finally made him take an off ramp and literally screamed at him to pull over the "blanking" car! He did and I told him "GET OUT". I planned to leave him standing there in the dark alongside the road but he seemed to know this and made sure he got in before I could lock the door. We drove back to the store in silence. Whe we got on the lot I once again told him GET OUT! He did without a word and got back in his car and drove off. I was shaking for an hour. We all learned that test drives were the worst part of our jobs. I kept people that I didn't trust on a short leash. Newcomers to our country were the worst!

I can tell more on a test drive by driving 0-30 or 30-50 MPH than I can from gassing it on an entrance ramp up to 80 MPH. My test drives are quite tame. I am a “Toucher”...meaning I try to touch everything I can find on a new car to see if it has any “play” and what all the materials feel like. Today, that’s probably not a good thing.

Haven’t done a transport in a few weeks, but when I delivered a car, I would get the chance to touch everything because I wiped it down with disinfectant when I got in, and again, when I delivered it.

stickguy · October 2020

I agree with GG about needing that experience with the car. Plenty of info online about performance numbers, so you already know how fast it is. No real need to prove it!

qbrozen · October 2020

No need to test 0-60, 1/4 mi, or how it holds driving in a steady circle, I agree. But how it actually handles at 8/10ths through a left-right transition or how it leans or puts power down out of a corner are not things easily assessed from a review of stat tables. A big one for me is playing with the transmission through various hard-driving scenarios to see how it responds.

roadburner · October 2020

I remember looking at a 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 automatic. I floored it at around 10 mph and it was totally underwhelming. I then looked but couldn't find a used manual- but a few months later I did find my beloved E24 M6...

roadburner · October 2020

When I was working at BMW I had a client who was looking at a CPO F30 335i manual we had. The salesman sat in the back(he couldn't drive a stick) while I drove it to a less populated area where the customer could drive it with no traffic congestion to deal with. On the way I took a 90 degree right-hander at about double the advisory speed. The client was impressed but the salesman wasn't belted in and he slid across the back seat and hit the left door with a resounding thump. The client ended up not buying the 335i; she decided instead to buy a new 340i M Sport with three pedals.

oldfarmer50 · October 2020

stickguy said:
I agree with GG about needing that experience with the car. Plenty of info online about performance numbers, so you already know how fast it is. No real need to prove it!

I don’t know about that. Sometimes the feel of the car is important regardless of the published numbers. One reason I always like Mitsubishi engines in a car is that they have a satisfying torque curve that makes them seem faster off the line than the numbers would suggest. Same with certain GM pushrod engines. They just “feel” right.

snakeweasel · October 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I agree with GG about needing that experience with the car. Plenty of info online about performance numbers, so you already know how fast it is. No real need to prove it!
I don’t know about that. Sometimes the feel of the car is important regardless of the published numbers. One reason I always like Mitsubishi engines in a car is that they have a satisfying torque curve that makes them seem faster off the line than the numbers would suggest. Same with certain GM pushrod engines. They just “feel” right.

True, car 'A' may be faster to 60 MPH than car 'B' but car 'B' may be faster to 30 or 40 MPH than car 'A'. Or faster from 30 to 50 MPH and so on. The published numbers only give a partial view on the numbers.

houdini1 · October 2020

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

qbrozen said:
My 10-yr-old, with no prompting from me, has seen those commercials and said "so you have to drive really slow, like a blind old lady, when you have that? No thank you."

Speaking of commercials, I'm rather surprised automakers continue to make these "hey, if you drive like an idiot, we've got the car for you!" commercials. Latest one to 'grind my gears' is the Hyundai commercial where the [non-permissible content removed] is eating fries with 2 hands while passing a big rig on the highway and the car prevents him from side-swiping the massive moving obstacle right next to him. WTH?! You know what I'd love to see? A bicycle commercial that starts like that and states "you belong on a bicycle, not commanding a 2-ton bullet, here's your new Huffy!"
Are you kidding me? Since when is ... s .. ch ... muck ... a bad word that requires censoring??
Is it worse than calling someone a Fredo?

Bonus points when the word malarkey is used during a debate.

Ah come on man !!

28firefighter · October 2020

A manual F30 340 with track package is very high on my want list.

roadburner · October 2020

28firefighter said:
A manual F30 340 with track package is very high on my want list.

I found a 440i coupe with THP but it's an automatic.

28firefighter · October 2020

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:
A manual F30 340 with track package is very high on my want list.
I found a 440i coupe with THP but it's an automatic.

I need the 4 doors for the kiddo (or the suicide doors on the i3 are fine). Maybe when he’s out of a car seat...

snakeweasel · October 2020

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:
A manual F30 340 with track package is very high on my want list.
I found a 440i coupe with THP but it's an automatic.

I like manuals and think they're fun but the traffic I often find myself in makes a manual a torture device. Hence I opt for automatics. Now when I retire I might get a manual but for now I'll stay away from them.

As for performance i am fine with the performance of my cars. I dont need to get to the next stop light 5 seconds sooner.

driver100 · October 2020

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:
A manual F30 340 with track package is very high on my want list.
I found a 440i coupe with THP but it's an automatic.
I like manuals and think they're fun but the traffic I often find myself in makes a manual a torture device. Hence I opt for automatics. Now when I retire I might get a manual but for now I'll stay away from them.

As for performance i am fine with the performance of my cars. I dont need to get to the next stop light 5 seconds sooner.

You don't want to shave .5 seconds off your 0 to 60 mph take off speed?
We had manuals for awhile in early retirement. Nowadays they are harder to find. I don't think I would opt for one in retirement these days, too much chance of an inoperative arm, hand, foot, leg, sore neck, sore back, etc., even if just temporary. Not too many chances to enjoy a manual on city streets or crowded highways.

mjfloyd1 · October 2020

carnaught said:
Haven't been following here for a few days. Anyone hear from our friend @graphicguy? Hoping that no news is good news...

He was up (no longer prone) on the 19th.

roadburner · October 2020

snakeweasel said:

As for performance i am fine with the performance of my cars. I dont need to get to the next stop light 5 seconds sooner.

I was actually looking at that 440i; I already decided that I'd have to install the M Performance Power and Sound Kit from the get-go...

Here's the 440i.

And here's the MPPSK.

snakeweasel · October 2020

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

As for performance i am fine with the performance of my cars. I dont need to get to the next stop light 5 seconds sooner.
I was actually looking at that 440i; I already decided that I'd have to install the M Performance Power and Sound Kit from the get-go...

Here's the 440i.

And here's the MPPSK.

Nice looking car, however I'm not a big fan of that red interior.

roadburner · October 2020

I like the interior, although I could do without the redon the lower dash.

stickguy · October 2020

I love that color combo.

ronsteve · October 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:
I agree with GG about needing that experience with the car. Plenty of info online about performance numbers, so you already know how fast it is. No real need to prove it!
I don’t know about that. Sometimes the feel of the car is important regardless of the published numbers. One reason I always like Mitsubishi engines in a car is that they have a satisfying torque curve that makes them seem faster off the line than the numbers would suggest. Same with certain GM pushrod engines. They just “feel” right.

GM pushrods always seemed to have a lot of their throttle response where you first get into it, while other cars respond more gradually. Some of them really gradually, because of overly intrusive traction control (Volvos with the 6-cylinder turbo, anyone?) Different amounts of TC slip make a difference as well... in normal driving 4-cylinder Outback doesn't feel as slow as you expect it to. Just don't look to have any fun driving it harder.

About 10 years ago I drove my office's Ford F-150 (I think it had the smallest of the Triton V8s) and it felt really strong right off the line, but was a total dog once you got to about 20 mph.

I'm with OF, need to put the car through at least a little bit of how you might drive it!

oldfarmer50 · October 2020

I wonder what this means?

https://www.radio.com/wbt/news/national/hertz-to-shut-down-car-sales-locations-nationwide

They mention selling 180,000 cars (they sold them to Enterprise) but I’ve also read that they borrowed an extra $billion to buy new cars. Seems a funny way to come out of bankruptcy.

stickguy · October 2020

sounds like they ran out of units they were allowed to sell. Hertz is really quite the mess.

bwia · October 2020

Meet the 2021 Genesis GV80. It may not carry the price tag of a Bentley Bentayga but the interior design and sophistication of the GV80 is equal to or surpasses the Bentayga. Enjoy!

omarman · October 2020

Hertz made news on the stock market last Friday with a record sale of over 1 billion shares. The stock price soared 143%, according to closing reports.

Record sale of worthless stock...still actively trading?

abacomike · October 2020

bwia said:
Meet the 2021 Genesis GV80. It may not carry the price tag of a Bentley Bentayga but the interior design and sophistication of the GV80 is equal to or surpasses the Bentayga. Enjoy!

I don’t like those pop-up screens like the one shown above on the new Genesis. It is not recessed to avoid sunlight distortion. It is also very small.

I noticed that they did away with the gear selector in the console making more room for console storage, much like Mercedes and many other makes and models. Everything is electronic when it comes to gear selection anyway.

My best friend is interested in replacing his 2008 Infinity M35X with a G80 lease. I will go with him when he is ready. But I know he won’t like the narrow height on the GPS screen.

jmonroe1 · October 2020

stickguy said:
I love that color combo.

Looks like “old mans gray” to me.

jmonroe

kyfdx · October 2020

omarman said:
Hertz made news on the stock market last Friday with a record sale of over 1 billion shares. The stock price soared 143%, according to closing reports.

Record sale of worthless stock...still actively trading?

You need a Robinhood account!

driver100 · October 2020

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:
I love that color combo.
Looks like “old mans gray” to me.

jmonroe

You are the expert knowing about that!

bwia · October 2020

abacomike said:

bwia said:
Meet the 2021 Genesis GV80. It may not carry the price tag of a Bentley Bentayga but the interior design and sophistication of the GV80 is equal to or surpasses the Bentayga. Enjoy!
I don’t like those pop-up screens like the one shown above on the new Genesis. It is not recessed to avoid sunlight distortion. It is also very small.

I noticed that they did away with the gear selector in the console making more room for console storage, much like Mercedes and many other makes and models. Everything is electronic when it comes to gear selection anyway.

My best friend is interested in replacing his 2008 Infinity M35X with a G80 lease. I will go with him when he is ready. But I know he won’t like the narrow height on the GPS screen.

You may be right but according to C&D, "at a time when many carmakers are replacing switches and buttons with vast touch-sensitive black panels, Genesis uses silver-tone knurled knobs and select physical buttons with white accents, creating a light, bright space. The large rotary dial that controls the infotainment system lives in the center console and clicks with satisfying precision as it turns." The collage bellow shows an example of this. Enjoy!

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