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imidazol97 · February 2021

venture said:

imidazol97 said:
Does anyone have the URL for the link that searches for who got PPP payments by zip code?
I think this was the forum where it was posted...
https://www.federalpay.org/paycheck-protection-program

Thx.

kyfdx · February 2021

dad23 said:

abacomike said:
Just got my IRS refund deposited this morning into my checking account - $2672. I electronically filed 11 days ago. That was pretty quick.🤓
We owe :@ so I'll be filing April 14th...

With electronic filing, you can file now, and they'll take out the money on April 15th

explorerx4 · February 2021

The last tax report I was waiting for became available today. Will be calling my accountant tomorrow.

tjc78 · February 2021

imidazol97 said:
Does anyone have the URL for the link that searches for who got PPP payments by zip code?
I think this was the forum where it was posted...

I think this is what you are looking for.

https://www.federalpay.org/

jmonroe1 · February 2021

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:
@jmonroe1
Tile in the shower looks best and if you clean it on a regular basis it will probably stay looking good. I missed the part about $1000 cost but I don't know if you included that the guys installing it have to make a profit too....not just do it for the cost of materials (I am a busy man so I don't have time to go back and check what you were referring to...I leave for pickleball in 45 minutes).
One thing I am sorry we didn't do when we had a bathtub removed and a shower installed was put in a radio with speakers....I like to listen to the news and weather when having a shower.
I also like a shower that you walk into with no ledge, but you need a large bathroom to do that.
It sounds like you missed the part when I said, “we get back every penny and then some”, in my earlier post. Of course we take into our account what our labor is worth, we’re not philanthropists. But like we have said to each other a few times, “if we only get back what we have into doing any particular job with just a small profit but it makes our house more attractive to buyers and the house sells quickly, we still win”. But we don’t want to make minimum wage on everything. When flipping smaller houses you want yours to stand out more. So far, that’s been a good philosophy. So, until that approach fails we ain’t fixing what ain’t broke.

jmonroe
Shouldn't that read "We hope to get back every penny and then some"

NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. We DON’T hope, we expect. When we were doing flip #2 we had a track record of 1. Now that we’re about to embark on flip #3 we have a track record of 2. We DIDN’T even HOPE when we did flip #1 so why should we let that enter our heads now?

jmonroe

roadburner · February 2021

I’m still waiting on some charitable receipts as well as my investment 1099 forms.

driver100 · February 2021

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:
If only money translated to ability and sense, then maybe we'd see BMWs making it up snowy hills as well

And sometimes it is hard to tell if a car is a neglected aging model on bald tires, etc. 4Matic wasn't really commonplace until early teens models, too.

oldfarmer50 said:

I saw another E class in a ditch today. Two inches of snow just like the other day. I’m not slamming MB but I’m curious as to what’s going on.

I find that the 4 series does well in the snow as long as I don't push that long thin pedal to far. But there are not many big hills near me.
My 2008 BMW 328 Cabriolet was hopeless in the snow. The facia under the front bumper was about 2 inches off the ground and it was like a snow shovel, and the wheel wells would fill up with snow. I had to get 4 snow tires for that car.....store them, try to fit 2 in the trunk and 2 in the back seat.....go to the dealer to change, then take the other pair home. I could store them for $250 a season = $500 a year at the dealers but I don't think so. They only charged a small amount to change them over....I think $35 but that was 12 years ago.
You’d pay $500 a year to store tires? Yikes!

I didn't pay that....I took 4 tires there and back home....stored in the garage...on their sides btw. I think tire dealers store them for $50 or $100 a year. I think if you store them at BMW you have to register them too.

driver100 · February 2021

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:
If only money translated to ability and sense, then maybe we'd see BMWs making it up snowy hills as well

And sometimes it is hard to tell if a car is a neglected aging model on bald tires, etc. 4Matic wasn't really commonplace until early teens models, too.

oldfarmer50 said:

I saw another E class in a ditch today. Two inches of snow just like the other day. I’m not slamming MB but I’m curious as to what’s going on.

I find that the 4 series does well in the snow as long as I don't push that long thin pedal to far. But there are not many big hills near me.
My 2008 BMW 328 Cabriolet was hopeless in the snow. The facia under the front bumper was about 2 inches off the ground and it was like a snow shovel, and the wheel wells would fill up with snow. I had to get 4 snow tires for that car.....store them, try to fit 2 in the trunk and 2 in the back seat.....go to the dealer to change, then take the other pair home. I could store them for $250 a season = $500 a year at the dealers but I don't think so. They only charged a small amount to change them over....I think $35 but that was 12 years ago.
$500 a year just to store two tires? You can put them in my garage for the low low price of $499. and save some bucks. There is one of those self storage places just down the street that has small units for $25 a month.

Not worth the $1 savings to store them at your place. I stored them in my garage....for FREE. The advantage of the dealer is you don't have to shlep tires around, though BMW had nice totes for a reasonable cost....that is what I used.

driver100 · February 2021

fintail said:
That tire storage is insane. Are you serious?

I got my snow tire/wheel package at the MB dealer, as their prices are almost identical to other tire shops. They store the unused wheels/tires for free.

driver100 said:

I find that the 4 series does well in the snow as long as I don't push that long thin pedal to far. But there are not many big hills near me.
My 2008 BMW 328 Cabriolet was hopeless in the snow. The facia under the front bumper was about 2 inches off the ground and it was like a snow shovel, and the wheel wells would fill up with snow. I had to get 4 snow tires for that car.....store them, try to fit 2 in the trunk and 2 in the back seat.....go to the dealer to change, then take the other pair home. I could store them for $250 a season = $500 a year at the dealers but I don't think so. They only charged a small amount to change them over....I think $35 but that was 12 years ago.

My BMW dealer was not very trustworthy. I would guess their thinking was, we don't really want to store tires but, if someone is desperate and really needs to store tires...we might as well take them for all we can.
Tire dealers store tires for about $50....that's probably a season so $100 a year. I doubt if that is a profitable amount for the amount of room tires would use up.....but, maybe it is space above the office or something that isn't costing much to operate.

driver100 · February 2021

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:
Some mad driving skills from north of driver100.

https://youtu.be/V__PqcMt728
Well that's one way to make deliveries to the attic.

Hey, it's a moving company had they came to pick up from the second floor. It is a perfect parking job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__PqcMt728

ab348 · February 2021

jmonroe1 said:

venture said:

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:
JM, I actually prefer something that isn't tile in the shower. Just ends up being a constant battle to keep the grout clean.

My BIL put in solid surface walls in the shower when they built their fancy house. Not 100% sure exactly what material it was, but nice impervious panels with no grout lines.
Tile in our area is the preferred material and a few realtors have said that to us so we believe it especially with the comments we’ve received when folks have seen it. Everyone seems to especially like the accent tile band we do so we will continue to do that for sure. Like my Son says, “I want that to be our signature for how we do our bathrooms”. Our goal was to provide a few of the higher end touches to the starter homes we have done and that has paid off handsomely. It’s funny one of the realtors said, “if you guys keep doing what you’re doing your going to give flippers a good name”. Flip #3 is no starter type house (about 2300 sq. ft.) and will get much more of the finer touches. One in particular so far is that my Son is going to install a pot filler at the stove which may be a duel fuel 48 inch job. I can wait to hear more of his dreams.

As for problems with keeping the grout clean, when we expanded our master bath about 7 or 8 years ago I wondered about that myself but so far no problems. From what I’ve been told, the grout materials that have been around for the last 10 years or so is much better than the previously manufactured grout and given what I’ve seen so far I have to believe that.

jmonroe
When I gutted and re-built our kitchen about 2 years ago, I asked Mrs. venture if she wanted a pot filler. She said something like, "Why? I will still have to carry the pot to the sink to empty it."

I know it's trendy, but I think it's probably high on the list of not necessary things.
I agree with your wife and I said the same thing to him when I first heard about his plan to install one. His response was, “this isn’t going to be my house. I’m doing it to convey that this is upscale and no corners were cut doing this kitchen remodel”. That decision was further enforced when he mentioned this to the realtor lady that sold him flip #1, listed flip #2 and is the selling agent for flip #3 when he did a walk though 2 weeks ago to get some dimensions so he could start to do a layout of the kitchen before closing. Her response was, “OH YEAH, that’s the kind of “bling” buyers like. You won’t be sorry you’re doing that”.

I doubt he’s going to let me talk him out of that now.

jmonroe

When I had my kitchen redone 20 years ago I did something like a pot filler but it isn't. My stove is on an interior wall and the main sink would be behind you (think of galley style), not too far away but not immediately adjacent. What I did was have a small bar sink and faucet installed next to the stove. It has gotten good use. Not only for filling pots but also draining pasta water and filling the nearby coffee maker, among other things. It seems to make much more sense to me than a pot filler.

driver100 · February 2021

I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.

ab348 · February 2021

Michaell said:

Don't rule Tiger out - if he wants to play professional golf again, I wouldn't bet against him.

This 13-minute video from a doctor outlines what he had done yesterday and provides what seems to be a realistic view of what is ahead for Tiger:

https://youtu.be/VcrgnCE8Tlk

stickguy · February 2021

Car is all washed. Even got done and sprayed off the underneath. Lots of stuff under there! Sprayed off mats and vacuumed carpets too. Even dressed the tires. So good for now, until more rain comes this weekend. At least snow on ground is rapidly disappearing.

Must be lots of people fed up with winter. Was about 56, and 2 neighbors drove by with convertible tops down!

Michaell · February 2021

Kitchens - we've had three houses. Each one has been slightly different from the others.

House 1 was a new build, and we were on a tight budget. Counters were formica, and the only change we made was to add a glass backsplash behind the stove.

House 2 needed a big overhaul - in the kitchen, the counters were formica, but were in really bad shape. We replaced them with quartz - light grey on the counters, dark grey on the island. We also refaced the cabinets, as well - white on top, grey on the bottom. Turned out really sharp, with the stainless steel appliances.

House 3 (current) has granite in the kitchen and master bath. Previous owners never sealed them, so it takes a lot of maintenance to keep them looking nice. We've talked about replacing them, but we aren't sure we'll be in the house long enough to get the value out of them. I'd rather save the money for the next (forever) home, which I hope is in a warmer climate.

jmonroe1 · February 2021

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.

I have to admit I never heard of anyone that painted electrical cords before. That’s more than having a bad case of OCD. Given that your wife does that she’d probably have a conniption with the high/low outlets for connecting the TV in all bedrooms. Another “signature” mark that my Son likes to add to his flip houses. When his mother saw those in the first flip she said, “I guess that’s for mounting a TV up there so you don’t see wires hanging down. But what if you don’t mount a TV up there then what? Who wants to see that”? His head dropped and he said, “then that’s where you hang a picture but we’re not providing the pictures.

FWIW, when we have a wall open, we put outlets close to the corners so you can put a table with a lamp there without the need of extension cords running to the middle of the wall where most builders place outlets.

jmonroe

fintail · February 2021

Not sure if trickle down lies count as corporate welfare (unless corporations really are people too, and vice versa), but sure OK.

What about when the means of production controls government? Might go on the "reverse socialism" term I used before

snakeweasel said:

Actually that would be corporate welfare.

In reality the main difference between socialism and capitalism is who controls the means of production. The more the government controls the means of production the more socialist you are.

snakeweasel · February 2021

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.

Ok but not everyone lives off of TV dinners.

But seriously the only time something goes from the fridge directly into the oven is when we are warming up leftovers. And then it's usually warmed up in the microwave. I cant remember the last time I didn't do some prep before cooking.

snakeweasel · February 2021

fintail said:
Not sure if trickle down lies count as corporate welfare (unless corporations really are people too, and vice versa), but sure OK.

What about when the means of production controls government? Might go on the "reverse socialism" term I used before

snakeweasel said:

Actually that would be corporate welfare.

In reality the main difference between socialism and capitalism is who controls the means of production. The more the government controls the means of production the more socialist you are.

Can you provide an example of the means of production controlling the government.

roadburner · February 2021

For those who came in late, here are the before and after shots of our 2007 kitchen remodel(the butcher block for the island hadn't arrived yet)...

tjc78 · February 2021

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.

I hate cords showing too and do whatever I can to avoid it. I’ve never painted a cord, but have swapped out a brown lamp cord to a white one.

venture · February 2021

roadburner said:
For those who came in late, here are the before and after shots of our 2007 kitchen remodel(the butcher block for the island hadn't arrived yet)...

I remember that transformation. What a difference.

tjc78 · February 2021

Yes that’s certainly a big change. I’ll have to dig up our old house pictures. That’s a similar change.

venture · February 2021

Found old kitchen. Had to go downstairs to get new pictures.

I think the most fun, other than putting down the maple flooring, was the under and over cabinet LED lighting. I never worked with low voltage lighting before.

bwia · February 2021

Is this a job for a backyard mechanic or a dealer pro?

My 2011 Lacrosse with 43k miles, has in the last two times I turned off the ignition, the engine continued running. At least so I thought. Upon rechecking it turned out to be the engine cooling fan.

I checked out Google and they said the problem is likely dieseling. My question is, what causes dieseling and how expensive is it to fix at a Buick dealership, assuming $200/hr. shop rate?

explorerx4 · February 2021

@bwia,
Might not be a problem.
What did you search for on Google?

oldfarmer50 · February 2021

bwia said:
Is this a job for a backyard mechanic or a dealer pro?

My 2011 Lacrosse with 43k miles, has in the last two times I turned off the ignition, the engine continued running. At least so I thought. Upon rechecking it turned out to be the engine cooling fan.

I checked out Google and they said the problem is likely dieseling. My question is, what causes dieseling and how expensive is it to fix at a Buick dealership, assuming $200/hr. shop rate?

In the old days dieseling was the result of poorly functioning pollution controls that allowed unburned gases into the pistons. I don’t know what would cause it today except a leaking injector or carbon deposits.

One of those BG treatments might fix it for a few hundred bucks but I’d prefer the Italian tune up.

stickguy · February 2021

fans can run after the engine is off. I have had cars do that (intentionally). So are you sure it shouldn't be? Does it turn off eventually? If it stays on might be a bad resister. You can check those if you know what you are doing. I only know from watching Car Wizard videos!

Dieseling, from the old days. was when the engine kept sort of running for a bit after you turned it off, until the fuel or deposits burned off.

imidazol97 · February 2021

Is it the 2.4 L or 3.6 V6? Search for symptoms by engine size.

What does the temperature gauge show or the digital readout on temp show? If coolant is over about 215 the system may have the fan running while engine is running. over 225 or so, the fan will be on high speed
for cooling while the engine is running.

Did you have the AC on? Maybe inadvertently by having the defrost on which turns on AC with the
fan(s) at various speeds. And some cars turn on the AC when higher humidity is sensed inside the
car without the settings calling for the compressor to turn on.

Had you been driving in stop & go traffic just before turning off the engine which might have caused
the car to run hotter? Were you driving away from the wind in low speed traffic which means little or no
air is going through the radiator to cool.

I'm guessing the fans run for a short time and then turn off. I haven't had a car that did this but I'd guess
a minute or two? That would mean the system is hotter than normal on shutdown.

If it's doing this when it didn't do it before or you never noticed it before, your question should be
why is the car running warmer than it used to. Have you checked the level of coolant in the reservoir
to be sure you've got a full system. A low coolant level sometimes causes water noises in the HVAC as air and water go through the heater core? No noises like that?

Has the DexCool been changed in the radiator. I believe it's rated as a 5 year or 150000 mile coolant.
But many do a simple drain and refill at 3 years or 2 years. Old coolant with depleted additives might
have radiator deterioration causing low flow and running hotter.

The question related to the coolant,
is what does it look like in the reservoir? Is there any cloudiness that looks like particulates or gooey material suspended? DexCool can be contaminated by mixing with actual old style green antifreezes or equipment used to test radiators with that in them. There are newer green coolants that are more compatible. But some older
usually cheaper coolants are available that don't play nice with the newer types.

If you haven't always used "good" gasoline from major brands stations, you might put a can of Sea Foam
engine cleaner/fuel system cleaner into the tank with your next gas purchase. It will change how the car runs as it goes through, for the good. I don't usually recommend the cleaners other than Techron, but I have used Sea Foam a few times. It's at Walmart and almost anywhere selling oil for cars.

driver100 · February 2021

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
I have to admit I never heard of anyone that painted electrical cords before. That’s more than having a bad case of OCD. Given that your wife does that she’d probably have a conniption with the high/low outlets for connecting the TV in all bedrooms. Another “signature” mark that my Son likes to add to his flip houses. When his mother saw those in the first flip she said, “I guess that’s for mounting a TV up there so you don’t see wires hanging down. But what if you don’t mount a TV up there then what? Who wants to see that”? His head dropped and he said, “then that’s where you hang a picture but we’re not providing the pictures.

FWIW, when we have a wall open, we put outlets close to the corners so you can put a table with a lamp there without the need of extension cords running to the middle of the wall where most builders place outlets.

jmonroe

The TV in the family room and the one in the bedroom....60" and 55" respectively, are on the wall and on a bracket on the wall respectively, they both have the electric cord going into a nicely framed hole in the wall, and the cord doesn't show anywhere.

She doesn't like cords showing, often she paints them and you wouldn't see them. In one house the furniture was away from the walls, she put outlets in the floor under an end table so the lamp cord would be hidden.
She doesn't like this look;

When it comes to this stuff, she knows what she is doing, though most builders would never think it through.

driver100 · February 2021

She would fix this one like this or find a way:

Michaell · February 2021

This is what I have, under my desk. The box contains the power strip - picked that up at the Container Store a few years back.

driver100 · February 2021

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
Ok but not everyone lives off of TV dinners.

But seriously the only time something goes from the fridge directly into the oven is when we are warming up leftovers. And then it's usually warmed up in the microwave. I cant remember the last time I didn't do some prep before cooking.

Fish or chicken go directly into a pan on the stove, vegetables go from the fridge into another pan, on the stove. Or into the microwave which is above the stove. I cook the main dish, she does the vegetables......no meal takes more than 20 minutes to prepare. No TV dinners and rarely premade manufactured foods...like TV Dinners.

driver100 · February 2021

tjc78 said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
I hate cords showing too and do whatever I can to avoid it. I’ve never painted a cord, but have swapped out a brown lamp cord to a white one.

It sounded crazy to me, but it really works so I like that she did it. We don't keep much on the counter but our new mini - Keurig came with a black cord that really sticks out against a white wall....she painted it white and you can't see it at all.

driver100 · February 2021

Michaell said:

This is what I have, under my desk. The box contains the power strip - picked that up at the Container Store a few years back.

That keeps things neat and tidy. The desk is low enough it would be hard to see the cords, but even then you can see the white ones are almost invisible compared to the black ones.

Sandman6472 · February 2021

OF, looked earlier but doesn't loo like we got anything yet. Talked with some co-workers earlier today and they said the same thing. Doubt we've gotten it yet at this juncture.

fintail · February 2021

My late grandma's early 60s house still has bronze appliances like that. They don't build em like they used to.

Original kitchen, too - counters are kind of a mottled seafoam green formica (maple cabinets). Flooring had to be replaced about 10 years ago, when the original flooring (linoleum with a very mid-century style mother of pearl and glitter pattern) developed a crack, and a similar replacement didn't exist, so it was replaced by laminate.

House goes on the market this spring, hoping for a bidding war, and time to pay one last visit.

roadburner said:
For those who came in late, here are the before and after shots of our 2007 kitchen remodel(the butcher block for the island hadn't arrived yet)...

venture · February 2021

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

This is what I have, under my desk. The box contains the power strip - picked that up at the Container Store a few years back.
That keeps things neat and tidy. The desk is low enough it would be hard to see the cords, but even then you can see the white ones are almost invisible compared to the black ones.

This would probably drive Mrs. Driver nuts. Mrs. venture put that rug under there for some reason.

tjc78 · February 2021

bwia said:
Is this a job for a backyard mechanic or a dealer pro?

My 2011 Lacrosse with 43k miles, has in the last two times I turned off the ignition, the engine continued running. At least so I thought. Upon rechecking it turned out to be the engine cooling fan.

I checked out Google and they said the problem is likely dieseling. My question is, what causes dieseling and how expensive is it to fix at a Buick dealership, assuming $200/hr. shop rate?

How long did the fan continue running? Has it done this before? I can’t remember if my 2012 LaCrosse did this or not. I know my 2015 and 2017 Enclaves with the 3.6 never did.

It could be normal if the operating temps are high when the car is shut off. Like Imid suggests maybe you need a coolant service and the car is running hotter. It could also be a sticky fan relay.

Some cars this is very common and often. My Volvo does it all the time in the summer. I’ve even had people tell me I’ve left my car running.

roadburner · February 2021

The only other thing I can think of I’d the fan relay sticking in the “on” position. That happened to my mother’s Topaz as well as my wife’s Skylark T Type.

imidazol97 · February 2021

My thinking about over aged coolant that lost its corrosion inhibitors is that the radiator tubes might have developed the "bloom" type of aluminum corrosion that is partially blocking the flow. But it's only blocking it
a fraction, which is making the car run slightly hotter under high demand situations.

As for the relay sticking, I'd believe the relay sticks ON and stays stuck after shutdown. That means the
radiator fan runs until the battery dies. Some folks report that isn't a really long time.

I mentioned the actual old formulation of green coolant ruining the newer type of coolants including DexCool.
Son had the Cruze overheat and stopped at Speedway. He bought a gallon of coolant.

When I mentioned that to the service manager at Chevy during that same day and I didn't know which coolant was put in, he said if it's the wrong coolant they'll have to flush it out right away when car came in for the small seep fix. He said it will do awful things to the cooling system. Luckily Speedway is like some other stores and they don't sell anything that's not compatible with the modern coolant types. I suspect Speedway got sued by buyers who didn't realize that using the actual old type green coolant can ruin the new coolants.

ab348 · February 2021

Roadshow reviews the new Buick Envision: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/reviews/2021-buick-envision-review/#

Of course the reviewer, no longer able to credibly complain that a GM interior has too much in the way of hard plastics, now complains the interior has too much vinyl-soft plastics. Cripes! Biased much?

snakeweasel · February 2021

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
Ok but not everyone lives off of TV dinners.

But seriously the only time something goes from the fridge directly into the oven is when we are warming up leftovers. And then it's usually warmed up in the microwave. I cant remember the last time I didn't do some prep before cooking.
Fish or chicken go directly into a pan on the stove, vegetables go from the fridge into another pan, on the stove. Or into the microwave which is above the stove. I cook the main dish, she does the vegetables......no meal takes more than 20 minutes to prepare. No TV dinners and rarely premade manufactured foods...like TV Dinners.

I rarely take anything from the refrigerator to heat, there is usually some sort of preparation to be done, the only exception is if something needs to marinate for a time prior to being cooked. I do prep the food and rarely take chicken or fish directly to heat without some sort of prep work.

driver100 · February 2021

venture said:

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

This is what I have, under my desk. The box contains the power strip - picked that up at the Container Store a few years back.
That keeps things neat and tidy. The desk is low enough it would be hard to see the cords, but even then you can see the white ones are almost invisible compared to the black ones.

This would probably drive Mrs. Driver nuts. Mrs. venture put that rug under there for some reason.

You're right, Mrs Driver would be up all night figuring out a way to fix that. The box might be put on it's end with the cords going into the top, they'd be hidden behind the desk.

imidazol97 · February 2021

Beautiful kitchen remodeling pictures. We did our galley type kitchen back in 2003 roughly. Had the real kitchen designer from Home Depot visit and take measurements. We had given her my cursory measurements and she proposed how to add storage space. She said she needed to come see and take measurements.

Added a narrow undercounter vertical door for storage of things like cookie sheets. Moved the sink over then and extended the length of that counter. On the other end of that counter was a larger area with a breakfast side. Expanded slightlly and put cabinets under the opposite side taking away the breakfast side's legroom but gaining storage. Wrapped upper cabinets around the corner onto the side wall overhead of the breakfast counter. Put in rolling shelves. Glass doors in strategic upper cabinets.

Expanded pantry storage on other side of galley walkway to use every inch of wall space.

She did a great job.

The kitchens pictured here look like someone knew how to design things as well as pick the finishes and styles.

driver100 · February 2021

ab348 said:
Roadshow reviews the new Buick Envision: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/reviews/2021-buick-envision-review/#

Of course the reviewer, no longer able to credibly complain that a GM interior has too much in the way of hard plastics, now complains the interior has too much vinyl-soft plastics. Cripes! Biased much?

Or maybe he calls it as he sees it;
There's a little more vinyl-soft plastic than I'd prefer to see in a top-tier trim with an out-the-door price north of $45,000, but that's GM for you.
If those are north of $45000 what does an X2 or an A3 go for?

driver100 · February 2021

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
Ok but not everyone lives off of TV dinners.

But seriously the only time something goes from the fridge directly into the oven is when we are warming up leftovers. And then it's usually warmed up in the microwave. I cant remember the last time I didn't do some prep before cooking.
Fish or chicken go directly into a pan on the stove, vegetables go from the fridge into another pan, on the stove. Or into the microwave which is above the stove. I cook the main dish, she does the vegetables......no meal takes more than 20 minutes to prepare. No TV dinners and rarely premade manufactured foods...like TV Dinners.
I rarely take anything from the refrigerator to heat, there is usually some sort of preparation to be done, the only exception is if something needs to marinate for a time prior to being cooked. I do prep the food and rarely take chicken or fish directly to heat without some sort of prep work.

No prepping here....just add Mrs Dash, turn over after 5 or 6 minutes on each side.
My new 15 minute Gourmet Meals Cookbook comes out this Spring.

snakeweasel · February 2021

bwia said:
Is this a job for a backyard mechanic or a dealer pro?

My 2011 Lacrosse with 43k miles, has in the last two times I turned off the ignition, the engine continued running. At least so I thought. Upon rechecking it turned out to be the engine cooling fan.

I checked out Google and they said the problem is likely dieseling. My question is, what causes dieseling and how expensive is it to fix at a Buick dealership, assuming $200/hr. shop rate?

Most likely it is just the cooling fan running to cool off the engine after shut down. Many cars do this and usually shut off within 5 to 10 minutes. If it stops within 10 minutes then its no issue but if it lasts longer there many be some electrical issue with it that you may want to check out.

snakeweasel · February 2021

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:
I told Mrs D that I was going to remove the stove in our Florida home since we don't use it anyway and use it as a desk area for the computer.
But seriously, so many kitchens aren't planned properly....with flow. When we looked at homes some had you taking things out of the fridge, going past a sink and a dishwasher to get to the stove. Many things go from the fridge to the stove, if planned properly you take fewer steps.
In one house we weren't there to watch the workers one day, and they put the outlet for the central vac behind a door....so you had to have the door half closed when using the central vac.
Mrs D is really good at these things. She paints electrical cords to match the walls to so the black cords don't stand out against light colored walls.
@jmonroe1 you could hire her as a consultant.
Ok but not everyone lives off of TV dinners.

But seriously the only time something goes from the fridge directly into the oven is when we are warming up leftovers. And then it's usually warmed up in the microwave. I cant remember the last time I didn't do some prep before cooking.
Fish or chicken go directly into a pan on the stove, vegetables go from the fridge into another pan, on the stove. Or into the microwave which is above the stove. I cook the main dish, she does the vegetables......no meal takes more than 20 minutes to prepare. No TV dinners and rarely premade manufactured foods...like TV Dinners.
I rarely take anything from the refrigerator to heat, there is usually some sort of preparation to be done, the only exception is if something needs to marinate for a time prior to being cooked. I do prep the food and rarely take chicken or fish directly to heat without some sort of prep work.
No prepping here....just add Mrs Dash, turn over after 5 or 6 minutes on each side.
My new 15 minute Gourmet Meals Cookbook comes out this Spring.

No offense but to me that's the culinary equivalent to taking a Yugo out on a Sunday drive while leaving your perfectly good Benz at home in the garage.

graphicguy · February 2021

imidazol97 said:
Has @graphicguy done any deliveries for dealer swaps to any of the stores in this cluster?

I have. I’ve done a couple of Toyota runs. Doing a Lexus run today....going from Mason, OH to Covington, KY and back.

It seems demand for what I offer is still there. Probably take me a while to re-build my previous business which was going gang busters right before all of my eye surgeries.

As they say, 95% of work is showing up. I’m reliable, responsive, and if I say I’m going to be there, I’m there, exactly when I say I’m going to show up.

Dealerships see value in that. And, for some unknown reason, can’t seem to find anyone who they already have hanging around their stores to do it.

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