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dad23 · December 2021

You said you had a noisy KA dishwasher. That’s not good. There are two dishwashers in our house. The Samsung is quiet but the other one gets noisy at times.

jmonroe

You gotta make sure they're BOTH serviced properly

tjc78 · December 2021

@stickguy said:
No 2 car garage at the shore though. Better budget for an upgrade.

Sure is!! I can probably fit three in a pinch. Entire left side is ours. Pic from listing. All that stuff on the walls is gone and cleaned up.

That pic shows about half the depth.

tjc78 · December 2021

@graphicguy said:
Interestingly, I have an SPL meter I use for tweaking my home theater. I took a dishwasher reading of the KA while running. It was supposed to be 39db. I even allowed for some "fudge factor". But, it (and the replacement) logged 60-64db. Or, about the sound of a hairdryer.

Totally unacceptable and I would have returned it too. I’m going to have to test mine with the DB meter on my phone.

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@dad23 said:
You said you had a noisy KA dishwasher. That’s not good. There are two dishwashers in our house. The Samsung is quiet but the other one gets noisy at times.

jmonroe

You gotta make sure they're BOTH serviced properly

It’s going to be expensive since they’re both waaay out of warranty.

Jmonroe

carnaught · December 2021

The Bosch DW we had was the quietist but the GE Monogram is also quiet.

kyfdx · December 2021

Salesperson at a high end appliance store once told me that if it is under 48 db, it's very, very quiet. Said no one can really tell the difference between 46 or 39 db.

Our Bosch is very quiet. Has an LED that shines on the floor, when running, so you don't open it up. Needs it, too.

explorerx4 · December 2021

Our LG DW is super quiet until it gets musical at the end.

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@explorerx4 said:
Our LG DW is super quiet until it gets musical at the end.

If you’re kitchen is large enough for dancing, go for it.

jmonroe

tjc78 · December 2021

@explorerx4 said:
Our LG DW is super quiet until it gets musical at the end.

You should hear our Samsung W/D… it sounds like a video game for about 30 seconds after the cycle.

tjc78 · December 2021

Not mine but similar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WQv5k9bisZA

Michaell · December 2021

tjc78 said:

@explorerx4 said:

Our LG DW is super quiet until it gets musical at the end.

You should hear our Samsung W/D… it sounds like a video game for about 30 seconds after the cycle.

I've muted our Samsung W/D combo.

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@tjc78 said:
Not mine but similar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WQv5k9bisZA

That’s a lot better than hearing a loud buzzer go off and doesn’t stop until you shut it up like Mrs. j’s dryer. She never uses that feature because of the racket it makes.

I wonder how much money I wasted on that feature when we bought that beast.

jmonroe

28firefighter · December 2021

@tjc78 said:
Not mine but similar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WQv5k9bisZA

That looks like the exact one I have. Ridiculous noise.

kyfdx · December 2021

Our LG washer (the new one, and recently departed one) have similar ending chimes, but much shorter.

ab348 · December 2021

graphicguy said:

Fought with KA for about 3 months. They even brought a new one out for replacement. Same result. They finally just gave me my money back.

That'll teach them not to mess with the King of the Buybacks!!

imidazol97 · December 2021

On my WP washer and dryer, the soft, barely audible chime at the end, can be turned off or made louder, I think...

My dishwasher, Whirlpool, doesn't have any noises at the end. It's quiet enough it easy to converse in the galley kitchen with it operating. I don't have a decibel meter. The Bosch the son and DIL have makes more noise. BUT it's in an open concept house and the position in the kitchen is shaped in a way sound reflects into part of the great room.

andres3 · December 2021

So we like our cars loud and our appliances quiet?

For those that have owned loud rip roaring V8's with serious exhaust notes, did it ever get old?

stickguy · December 2021

We have the Samsung WD too. Kinda like the snappy tunes definitely better than the old joy buzzer!

Did some more research today at local appliance guy (he sells, and is also an authorized service center). Turned me off whirlpool. Probably going to grab the killer deal on the new Frigidaire and be done with it, and cancel our WP order from BJs.

Unless we get up sold…. But I doubt it.

Really prefer dealing with local specialist. Even costs less than the big box store.

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

@andres3 - what is the installed price for the new S4 motor?

andres3 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:
@andres3 - what is the installed price for the new S4 motor?

With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

driver100 · December 2021

jmonroe1 said:

@dad23 said:

You said you had a noisy KA dishwasher. That’s not good. There are two dishwashers in our house. The Samsung is quiet but the other one gets noisy at times.

jmonroe

You gotta make sure they're BOTH serviced properly

It’s going to be expensive since they’re both waaay out of warranty.

Jmonroe

....and if you get rid of the one, half of your assets will disappear too!

driver100 · December 2021

tjc78 said:
Not mine but similar

I turn on our Maytag DW before going to bed, that stupid noise would wake us up!

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@driver100 said:
....and if you get rid of the one, half of your assets will disappear too!

Dishwashers don’t lean on you that much do they?

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@andres3 said:
With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

OUCH. Is it really worth doing that at a non-Audi dealer? If there is the least bit of a hiccup you’re doomed.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

@andres3 said:
With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

Ouch. It would still be worth a tow to Audi for a hope for 50% good will.

snakeweasel · December 2021

@andres3 said:
So we like our cars loud and our appliances quiet?

For those that have owned loud rip roaring V8's with serious exhaust notes, did it ever get old?

Don't ask the owners ask their neighbors.

andres3 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

Ouch. It would still be worth a tow to Audi for a hope for 50% good will.

Maybe.... let's say they go 50% on material only, but not on labor. The labor will easily double, if not triple IMHO. Then, there's markup on the parts, and I have a strong inclination they markup the parts FAR more than my "honest" shop. So take off 50% only to add back in 20% and another $5-6K in labor? No thanks. Someone recently posted on a FB S4 forum that a dealership gave a $28K quote for engine troubles. Sounds about right.

andres3 · December 2021

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3 said:

With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

OUCH. Is it really worth doing that at a non-Audi dealer? If there is the least bit of a hiccup you’re doomed.

jmonroe

If this wasn't one of the best, if not very best regarded shops in all of Southern CA, I'd be hesitant, but I have more confidence in my shop than the hacks in the dealership. ESPECIALLY if the management at the dealership is "cracking the whip" to speed up production over quality.

It's certainly a big bill and near the cusp of the fence of making financial sense. If it wasn't for the hot used market that might not be so. Also, I like the car, and that helps. If I hated the car, the equation might favor letting someone else take on the project.

The car was tip top for 11 months. If this is just a one-time aberration, it's not the end of the world. If things start failing like dominoes, it'll be a quick sale.

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

@andres3 said:
Maybe.... let's say they go 50% on material only, but not on labor. The labor will easily double, if not triple IMHO. Then, there's markup on the parts, and I have a strong inclination they markup the parts FAR more than my "honest" shop. So take off 50% only to add back in 20% and another $5-6K in labor? No thanks. Someone recently posted on a FB S4 forum that a dealership gave a $28K quote for engine troubles. Sounds about right.

But if they give you 50% parts and labor, then you are at $14k and I suspect a more favorable warranty

Even at 50% parts only maybe $21k with a better warranty

andres3 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

Maybe.... let's say they go 50% on material only, but not on labor. The labor will easily double, if not triple IMHO. Then, there's markup on the parts, and I have a strong inclination they markup the parts FAR more than my "honest" shop. So take off 50% only to add back in 20% and another $5-6K in labor? No thanks. Someone recently posted on a FB S4 forum that a dealership gave a $28K quote for engine troubles. Sounds about right.

But if they give you 50% parts and labor, then you are at $14k and I suspect a more favorable warranty

Assuming they included new parts that don't necessarily need to be new, but are "nice to haves" while they are "in there." But that's maybe $1k tops I think. In the end I felt I have the right shop and techs slated to take on this big project.

This is where a very good shop can become a GREAT shop.

andres3 · December 2021

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3 said:

With all the smart extras while were in there it's coming out to about $19,500.

OUCH. Is it really worth doing that at a non-Audi dealer? If there is the least bit of a hiccup you’re doomed.

jmonroe

The biggest chance of doom I have, by far, is from a Karen colliding with my "just fixed up" S4 and totaling it. Geico already said they wouldn't consider an OEM engine at "stated value" nor a "customization" value.

This worries me more than anything else right now.

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

Oh well, your money, your choice.

What does a “Karen” have to do with anything?

andres3 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:
Oh well, your money, your choice.

What does a “Karen” have to do with anything?

You could substitute "any negligent bad driver" for Karen if you wish.

You are also hypothetically assuming Audi would do goodwill on a used 6-year old (going on 7) car bought used from a non-Audi dealership.

jmonroe1 · December 2021

@andres3 said:
If this wasn't one of the best, if not very best regarded shops in all of Southern CA, I'd be hesitant, but I have more confidence in my shop than the hacks in the dealership. ESPECIALLY if the management at the dealership is "cracking the whip" to speed up production over quality.

It's certainly a big bill and near the cusp of the fence of making financial sense. If it wasn't for the hot used market that might not be so. Also, I like the car, and that helps. If I hated the car, the equation might favor letting someone else take on the project.

The car was tip top for 11 months. If this is just a one-time aberration, it's not the end of the world. If things start failing like dominoes, it'll be a quick sale.

I sincerely hope this works out well for you. Give us a report after you put 1000 miles on the new engine.

Good luck.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

@andres3 said:
You could substitute "any negligent bad driver" for Karen if you wish.

You are also hypothetically assuming Audi would do goodwill on a used 6-year old (going on 7) car bought used from a non-Audi dealership.

I do not associate a Karen as “any negligent bad driver”. I associate a Karen as someone falsely blaming someone else for an issue that they caused but those I have seen are not related to car accidents

Yes, it is a leap of faith to try for a good will gesture from Audi but yours was low mileage and no ECU flash so to me it would be worth a shot. The worst that they could say is no.

stickguy · December 2021

I wonder what you could have gotten for it as a roller without doing anything? Probably not enough to add to the cost of the new motor and get a perfect one.

and whenever my son mentions buying out his S4 lease I will show him a copy of this thread.

jipster · December 2021

Yo @oldfarmer50 , how'd your son's head gasket repair go?

driver100 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

Maybe.... let's say they go 50% on material only, but not on labor. The labor will easily double, if not triple IMHO. Then, there's markup on the parts, and I have a strong inclination they markup the parts FAR more than my "honest" shop. So take off 50% only to add back in 20% and another $5-6K in labor? No thanks. Someone recently posted on a FB S4 forum that a dealership gave a $28K quote for engine troubles. Sounds about right.

But if they give you 50% parts and labor, then you are at $14k and I suspect a more favorable warranty

Even at 50% parts only maybe $21k with a better warranty

When I had my clutch problem with our Audi, Audi corporate would do nothing for me. The dealer offered 20 or 25% off on parts. It is hard to discount labor, as the mechanic will want to be paid the full amount or close to it. The dealer can discount parts, especially on an expensive repair, but labor is hard to discount.

I don't know the car at all but I tried to get a trade-in value and it came out to $25 to 26K. Does that sound right? Is it worth it to spend $20k for a car worth $25k. OTOH, what do you do with it if the engine is gone?
Maybe get an engine from the wreckers, pop it in, and then try to sell it to some poor soul!

stickguy · December 2021

most common I think is to get a used engine. that is what most people would do. all the labor cost is the same but the main part should be a lot cheaper.

stickguy · December 2021

well, if you want to monitor what a perfect low mile 2015 B8 S4 can go for, here's the one to watch. Love this color combo and option load.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rjZD8B6p/2015-audi-s4

mjfloyd1 · December 2021

@stickguy said:
well, if you want to monitor what a perfect low mile 2015 B8 S4 can go for, here's the one to watch. Love this color combo and option load.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rjZD8B6p/2015-audi-s4

Motor probably only good for another 10k miles

sda · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:

@stickguy said:

well, if you want to monitor what a perfect low mile 2015 B8 S4 can go for, here's the one to watch. Love this color combo and option load.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rjZD8B6p/2015-audi-s4

Motor probably only good for another 10k miles

The option packages are Porsche expensive. $3200 for special paint? $67K sticker in 2015.

driver100 · December 2021

stickguy said:
well, if you want to monitor what a perfect low mile 2015 B8 S4 can go for, here's the one to watch. Love this color combo and option load.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rjZD8B6p/2015-audi-s4

It's at $30k this a.m......I think I was close since this one only has 34000 miles.
What a predicament, a new engine, a rebuilt engine, wait for an accident like a transplant, drop in a Jetta engine and hope no one notices........what a dilemma!

ab348 · December 2021

Send it to one of those shops used in the hackneyed TV shows on Motor Trend like Iron Resurrection. Joe Martin can drop a used LS engine from a wrecked Texas Chevy truck into it and with a bit of welding, fix it right up.

stickguy · December 2021

JRgo replaced the engine in an R8 twin turbo in his garage without a lift. And did an A6 3.0t in his new shop. It can be done.

snakeweasel · December 2021

stickguy said:
JRgo replaced the engine in an R8 twin turbo in his garage without a lift. And did an A6 3.0t in his new shop. It can be done.

Well in reality you can put any engine you want into it if you have enough cash to throw at it.

stickguy · December 2021

Well it was the same engine going back (new unit, same version though). That’s certainly easier than swapping to a different motor entirely!

andres3 · December 2021

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

You could substitute "any negligent bad driver" for Karen if you wish.

You are also hypothetically assuming Audi would do goodwill on a used 6-year old (going on 7) car bought used from a non-Audi dealership.

I do not associate a Karen as “any negligent bad driver”. I associate a Karen as someone falsely blaming someone else for an issue that they caused but those I have seen are not related to car accidents

Yes, it is a leap of faith to try for a good will gesture from Audi but yours was low mileage and no ECU flash so to me it would be worth a shot. The worst that they could say is no.

That's the thing.... that shot wasn't free. Highly likely they'd want to take out and diagnose the engine on my dime; then decide upon a course of action based on what's found. Too big of a leap with too many contingencies for me, especially at an outrageous labor rate.

andres3 · December 2021

stickguy said:
most common I think is to get a used engine. that is what most people would do. all the labor cost is the same but the main part should be a lot cheaper.

That was the goal but in 2 months no low mileage engines appeared on the market. Nothing even below 65K miles from what I recall. Almost all were 85K plus, with most being 100K+

snakeweasel · December 2021

andres3 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

@andres3 said:

You could substitute "any negligent bad driver" for Karen if you wish.

You are also hypothetically assuming Audi would do goodwill on a used 6-year old (going on 7) car bought used from a non-Audi dealership.

I do not associate a Karen as “any negligent bad driver”. I associate a Karen as someone falsely blaming someone else for an issue that they caused but those I have seen are not related to car accidents

Yes, it is a leap of faith to try for a good will gesture from Audi but yours was low mileage and no ECU flash so to me it would be worth a shot. The worst that they could say is no.

That's the thing.... that shot wasn't free. Highly likely they'd want to take out and diagnose the engine on my dime; then decide upon a course of action based on what's found. Too big of a leap with too many contingencies for me, especially at an outrageous labor rate.

I have to feel sorry for people named Karen. How did that name ever come to mean what it does?

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