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I can't remember now, though, if it froze like that, or if it completely rolled over, leaving just a black line. It's one of the many things the mechanic fixed, so for the time being, it works.
The speedo on a '57 DeSoto is a bit odd, where it actually goes to 130, but it's only numbered to 120.
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The '56-58 Studebakers had a drum-type speedometer not unlike the '66-67 Riviera in concept.
On a different subject, Curbside Classics today has the Consumer Reports Auto Issue from April 1966, with reliability ratings. Link is below. They have no Studebakers listed, even though at press time the company was still building automobiles, LOL. I don't believe 'insufficient data' as in '62, anyway, they built 102K cars and nearly 8K trucks. Could be that they considered Studebaker a foreign car by that time. They show no reliability charts for foreign cars.
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/uncategorized/consumer-reports-automotive-dot-charts-every-dot-has-a-story-part-2-1960-66/
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As I've posted here, I just love the full-size '65 Chevys, and the market agreed. Over one-million Impala models alone were made, and of course that doesn't even include Biscaynes and Bel Airs. I don't believe that number has ever been matched in a car model name since.
I seem to remember some stories about the frame not being great on '65 Chevys, and I think in brochures about the mid-year Caprice, the package even included frame improvements. I've read/heard all the '66's received those too. Useful things, but the '66 can't touch the '65 IMHO anyway, for sheer simple beauty.
UPDATE: Nothing in the '65 Caprice brochure about revised frame, just things like added sound insulation and "extra-thick body mounts". I must've read that in some general website about the cars, written decades later--the kind I always complain about, LOL.
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In my box of "collectibles" I actually have a shift knob just like that Volvo picture. Ours cracked at the base so got replaced and somebody kept the old one that I now have. I think in the same box I have my key for that car (found a whole ring of keys from my HS days, including my Duster and one of the AMCs I had).
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Yes Greg; I mistook ‘ribbon’ for ‘linear’. I do remember a neighbor’s ‘62 Olds with the changing colors on the speedometer. I can’t recall other GM cars with a ‘ribbon’ speedometer.
At first, I was thinking perhaps the 1990 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon, but then dug around and found a few more. Looks like the most recent I could find was a 1994 Grand Marquis.
The '91-93 panel may have been 'meh', but I detest the '94-96 panel. How did that get through the approval process?!
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It’s a tie. The 94 Century had one too. I actually was going to say 96 Century, but then looked up images and they changed the cluster in 95
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I’d take it in a minute.
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could be a fun toy for $10K. Looks pretty clean.
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Of course, that was in 1976.
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Ever hear of a ritual killing?
I've loved '61 Starliners since I was a kid but the '60 has really grown on me (I'd love a '60 Edsel two-door hardtop).
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I wonder what Mopar thought of that ad, given their promotion of the show.
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If you're not a fan of Andy Griffith, move on, LOL.
I think andre and I posted here once about "The Andy Griffith Show" migrating into "Mayberry R.F.D.", not as enjoyable for sure, but several of the same characters made the leap.
On Amazon Prime, I paid $1.99 a few days ago to watch episode one of 'RFD', where Andy and Helen get married. Online, I found the four-minute wedding clip. Don Knotts as 'Barney' was best-man, and he's classic 'Barney' here. I enjoyed the entire episode...which did include the Ken Berry character's light mossy metallic green '68 Satellite four-door sedan, and a current Dodge pickup.
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I always thought dodge was entry level and Plymouth was the step up?
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When DeSoto was a brand was it equal to Dodge or positioned between Dodge and Chrysler?
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They ended up acquiring Dodge, but brought out DeSoto, anyway. DeSoto and Plymouth both debuted as 1929 models. In those early years, the DeSoto was essentially a Plymouth with a bigger engine, and positioned below Dodge. But in 1934, they made the decision to move DeSoto upmarket. That was the year the Airflow came out. DeSoto went Airflow-only for the whole year, and it was a disaster. Chrysler offered both Airflows and traditional, 1933-style models. However, I'm not sure if they started off Airflow-only and brought the traditional ones back in haste once they saw how badly the Airflow was selling, or if they offered them side-by-side from the beginning?
From 1934-61, the hierarchy remained Plymouth-Dodge-DeSoto-Chrysler/Imperial. They tried to make Imperial stand-alone from 1955-75, but it never could shake that "CHRYSLER Imperial" perception. Dodge did take a bit of a hit in its status for '53-54 though. In that timeframe, the Plymouths were put on a stubby 114" wheelbase. With Dodge, the 2- and 4-door sedans were on a longer 119" wb, but hardtops, convertibles, and the 2-door wagon were on the short 114". There were no Dodge/Plymouth 4-door wagons in '53, but for '54 there was a 4-door Dodge wagon. The big advantage to a Dodge though, was availability of its first Hemi V8, a small 241.1 CID "Red Ram". Plymouth wouldn't get a V8 until '55, and it never did get a version of the first-gen Hemi.
In 1960, Chrysler did a reorganization, and this is when the concept of "Chrysler-Plymouth" division came out. In the past, Plymouth usually didn't have its own stand-alone dealerships. They were almost always paired with Dodge, DeSoto, or Chrysler, so Plymouths were often used to upsell buyers into a nicer car. That must have been hard in some of the years though, when there wasn't much difference between a Plymouth and a Dodge. Anyway, for 1960, Dodge dealers lost their Plymouths, so that's where the Dart came into play. In 1960, it had a Seneca/Pioneer/Phoenix lineup that basically matched Plymouth's Savoy/Belvedere/Fury. However, Plymouth did get the Valiant, which Dodge did not have a version of (even though that first year they called it "Nobody's Kid Brother" and tried to market it as just "Valiant"). Dodge would get the Lancer for '61, though. A bit up the ranks, Dodge had the Matador and Polara, which replaced the old Royal/Custom Royal (the Dart lineup, while mimicking Plymouth, also replaced the old Coronet). Plymouth didn't have anything in this range for '60, but a bit up the ranks, there was the Chrysler Windsor. And in its final two years, DeSoto was folded in with Chrysler-Plymouth as well, so there were still a few DeSoto models to fill that mid-price gap.
Plymouth made a bit of a comeback in '65, with the new Fury. However, because they were sold on the same showroom as Chrysler, I think that kept them from ever moving too far upscale. While Ford had its ritzy LTD and Chevy the Caprice, I never thought the Fury VIP was quite in that same league. Still, Plymouth did well for awhile, and even reclaimed third place in sales a couple times in the 1970's. But then, when Chrysler jumped into the personal luxury coupe game, they did so with the Chrysler Cordoba, rather than a Plymouth model, and that sort of got the ball rolling to Plymouth's eventual demise. From that point forward, whenever a new body style came out, if it was something more upscale, it was usually Dodge and Chrysler that got it, but if it was something more low-end, it was Dodge and Plymouth.
For instance, when the Dart/Valiant were replaced, Plymouth got the Volare and Dodge the Aspen. But when the upmarket version came out, it was the Dodge Diplomat and Chrysler LeBaron. By 1979, Plymouth was actually down to just two domestic models: the Horizon and Volare. They had a few captive imports like the Arrow and Sapporo, and a few thinly disguised Dodge trucks to make the lineup seem broader. In 1979, when Chrysler re-did its full-sized cars (the R-body), initially there was no Plymouth. Dodge got the St. Regis, and Chrysler got the Newport and New Yorker. The Newport and New Yorker managed to sell somewhat well that year, although Newports were offered as police cars and taxis, which no doubt helped those sales. For 1980, they re-introduced the Gran Fury, and it was offered as a police car/taxi instead of the Newport, and as a result Newport sales tanked. They all tanked for 1980, but I think the Newport was hit even worse, because the Gran Fury was now taking all those fleet sales.
As for confusion about whether Dodge or Plymouth was the step up, I think that's a pretty good indication that perhaps they needed to work on their marketing. When I was a little kid, for some reason, I thought a Plymouth was a nicer car a Dodge. Don't ask me why...I was a little kid! It could have been something as simple as the letter "P" being higher up the alphabet than "D" or "Plymouth" being a longer word than "Dodge", or more impressive sounding, or something. But then, I think sometimes it seemed like a Plymouth actually had a bit more presence to it. For instance, a 1965 Fury just screams "Plymouth" to me. The front-end, with its stacked headlights and slight forward thrust, has an aggressive, imposing, memorable (to me at least) look about it, whereas a '65 Polara looks kind of generic.
With Chevy versus Pontiac, you could almost always look at the two and easily see that the Pontiac was supposed to be the step up. There could be a bit of overlap between the Catalina and Impala, but it was usually limited to the interior trimmings. And same with Mercury, versus Ford. But often, it was hard to look at a Dodge and a similar Plymouth, and be able to tell which one was supposed to be the step up. And, there were many times where the Dodge really WASN'T a step up from Plymouth, but merely an alternate to it.
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In 1933, Chrysler ranged from a $745 6-cyl business coupe to a $3295 Imperial Custom 7-passenger limo. But for 1934, the Chrysler Airflow ranged from $1345 for a coupe (8-cyl, at least) on up to $5145 for an Airflow Imperial Custom Eight 8-passenger limo. The conventional '34 Chryslers ranged from $740 for a business coupe to $970 for a convertible sedan, and all of these were 6-cyl. Needless to say, these conventional cars carried the bulk of Chrysler's sales.
The Airflow's timing makes me think a bit of Chrysler's timing with its ill-fated 1974 big cars, that were launched just a couple months before the first Arab Oil Embargo would plunge the country into recession, and kill demand for bigger cars almost immediately.
For seasons 3-6, which was also when they moved from Revue studios to Universal, Ward drove Plymouths. First, he had a '59 Plymouth Fury 4-door sedan, then a '60 Fury 4-door hardtop. Followed by a '61 Fury 4-door hardtop, one of the shrunken '62s, again a 4-door hardtop (they show this one in the opening credits of the last season), and, finally, a '63 Fury 4-door hardtop.
One thing they did with Beaver that was interesting, during the Mopar years, is that Ward start the season with last year's model, but then at some point during the season, get a new car. For instance, he started the 3rd season ('59-60) with the '59 Plymouth, but then at some point got the '60. Same for the 4th season, where he started with the '60, but then got a '61. However, they often used stock footage, of a car pulling into the driveway, so there was one or two times that you saw footage of the '60 pulling in from the street, but then they cut to another scene of the '61 stopping in front of the garage and Ward getting out. As I recall, when they showed the '61 in that scene, you couldn't see the back of the car, which would have been a bit awkward, as the '60 had towering tailfins that were almost cartoonish, while the '61 was finless.
In the last season, I remember an episode where Wally wanted to borrow the car, and June remarked "Oh Wally, your father just bought that car!" That was where they started showing the '63.
There was another show that started off with Fords, but then switched to Chryslers, called "Bachelor Father". Interestingly, like Beaver, it also started off with filming at Revue, but moved to Universal. I've only seen a few episodes of the show, but it looks like for the first season, Bentley Gregg (John Forsythe in the titular role) had two cars, a '57 T-bird and a '57 Ford wagon. But in the second, he had a '58 New Yorker convertible!
I haven't seen the entire run of the show, yet, but did catch a '61 Chrysler convertible in the 5th and final season. Antenna tv used to run this show sporadically awhile back, but I never really watched it that much. They just started showing it again this year.
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I remember being very disappointed when I saw my first '72. I thought the new grille was a half-baked thing. "Is that all the styling change?". Yep! The strike kept the all-new body from coming out for '72.
I rather doubted that this car was built with the standard 'moon' caps (I hated them at the time, but in hindsight think they look better than other dog-dish caps). The window sticker confirms it was built with only standard caps. I see it was built with whitewalls. The brochure would have shown cars with the (handsome) '71 and '72 full wheelcovers. One has to wonder if someone 'forgot' to order them. At first I thought, "Well, his plan was probably to immediately put wheels on it", but....with whitewalls? Even then....
This car was delivered to a dealership not far from Pittsburgh. I remember Chevelles for a decade which came to our hometown dealer were also built in Baltimore.
The typical ones I remember were in the $3,600-range--V8, THM, PS, PB, whitewalls, full wheelcovers, 307 or 350 2-barrel V8. The optional price of the 350 on this car per the window sticker makes me think it's the four-barrel but not sure without looking at a brochure. (UPDATE: From the ad, I see that is the case).
That sales price is ridiculous. These cars were high-volume-production of course. That said, I love a low-mileage original and I think in general, the marketplace does too.
I remember the base price as $2,949. I will go back now and look for that on the window sticker the ad includes (I didn't look at that when I was looking at options). (UPDATE: $2,980. That is when there were price changes throughout the model year, but I'm happy I was that close.)
When I saw the selling dealer was "Beyerl", I scratched my head, as later I remember from our getting Sunday PIttsburgh newspapers, a Chevy dealer in greater Pittsburgh named "Baierl". Weird. I then saw someone else in the BaT comments mentioned the same thing.
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RE.: Mileage--waiting for someone to post there, "Gotta be 118K", sigh.
I totally believe the odometer as 'first time around', based on the many, many of these I saw as a teenager and into adulthood.
A lot at our dealer were Mulsanne Blue, I recall that.
I remember full wheel covers were $26, and Rally Wheels, the steal of the century at $44 for a long time. They were still $56 into the early '80's.
And since it’s not a special model, no worries about making some nice comfort or usability mods.
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And yeah, I noticed on the window sticker it specifies "270 hp", which would be the 4-bbl. The 2-bbl had 255 gross. I think in net hp, they were 165 and 175 hp, respectively?