Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

xwesx · June 2022

@explorerx4

I'm now consistently getting 35-37 mpg running to work every day, so I think I would get pretty solid mileage from Conneaut to Connecticut. At least 30+. The trip the other way would be far more modest, for sure. Excepting the headwinds I experienced all across the plains last year, I consistently ran 16 mpg, even with the trailer fully loaded (about 7K#), so I should be able to get 18-19 pulling your car (estimating 15% improved fuel economy).

I don't know what to expect for fuel prices, but let's say $7/gal. If I run an average of 27 mpg (36 + 18 / 2), yeah, that's about $320. I know UHaul likes to rob people for one-way trips, so maybe find out what a pickup/drop off at same location is. I could pick up and drop off in Erie or Ashtabula very easily.

Even running the trailer both ways, it might be significantly cheaper (assuming your original 20 mpg estimate with an empty flatbed going one way). When I rented one up here five year ago to haul my wife's 2010 Forester home after it got killed, the cost was $65 for a single day rental. We would only need the trailer two days.

I just took a few minutes to look up cost there, and it looks like $134 for two days including damage coverage (Uhaul trailer) and available in Ashtabula. $110 for just the trailer.

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It's an option, anyway. We won't be down there until ~8/15. And, you weren't kidding about 1,200 miles!

corvette · June 2022

Scooter decided to investigate a suspicious smell on the Prius after our walk this morning—the marks in the dust are from her nose and ears. The dust came from a weekend hiking trip to the Hemlock Cliffs in Indiana, which was great, as always.

au1994 · June 2022

Man! She really gave it the once over!

jmonroe1 · June 2022

corvette said:

Scooter decided to investigate a suspicious smell on the Prius after our walk this morning—the marks in the dust are from her nose and ears. The dust came from a weekend hiking trip to the Hemlock Cliffs in Indiana, which was great, as always.

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Thanks to her now you gotta wax it.

jmonroe

qbrozen · June 2022

snag with the dealership. Shocking, I know.
Looks like I can't get approved with the office I chose. The jerks work very hard to prevent small startups. My office has to be separated from any other business by firewall (not the IT kind, but the physical kind). AND, they insist on a lease for said place that will extend to at least the end of the initial license (April 2023). In other words, they expect someone to sign a long-term lease for a property that may not meet their requirements.

stickguy · June 2022

Time to move into commercial rental property. Buy a building for your needs, and rent out some of it.

kyfdx · June 2022

That seems to be typical in most states. I had a co-worker who had a used car lot, and the rules were numerous and similar to what you are experiencing.

tifighter · June 2022

Having done some commercial leases myself, a lease through Apr 23 seems exceptionally short.

qbrozen · June 2022

tifighter said:
Having done some commercial leases myself, a lease through Apr 23 seems exceptionally short.

Seems exceptionally long to the person paying it without a license to sell anything from it.

qbrozen · June 2022

stickguy said:
Time to move into commercial rental property. Buy a building for your needs, and rent out some of it.

Buying has crossed my mind.

stickguy · June 2022

Get some kind of old repair shop. Like the YouTube guys get. Then you can use the lift, etc. for your own projects.

andres3 · June 2022

Message to Volvo - If I wanted a slow car that couldn't go any faster than 112 MPH I'd buy a '95 Neon.

qbrozen · June 2022

stickguy said:
Get some kind of old repair shop. Like the YouTube guys get. Then you can use the lift, etc. for your own projects.

found one for sale, but it is too far away

jmonroe1 · June 2022

@qbrozen said:
found one for sale, but it is too far away

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No problem, stand on the long pedal a little more.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · June 2022

stickguy said:
Time to move into commercial rental property. Buy a building for your needs, and rent out some of it.

Hoovie’s place is still up for grabs.

stickguy · June 2022

I don't care that it was in Newton KS, that place was a steal for $75k

corvette · June 2022

oldfarmer50 said:

Hoovie’s place is still up for grabs.

Floor strength is good for one Ferrari.

oldfarmer50 · July 2022

stickguy said:
I don't care that it was in Newton KS, that place was a steal for $75k

Sure, it would be a longish commute but you couldn’t ask for a more centrally located spot for his poster buddies to patronize.

I think YouTube is listening in on this discussion because this just came up on my recommended list:

https://youtu.be/iuokcKGvxXM

stickguy · July 2022

Hers a truck for you Farmer. Nice Florida rig. Miles a little higher than you prefer though.

Or maybe would work for QBs new business, fetching JDM hoopties from the port

https://modsandmiles.com/auction-details/?vuid=2001-Peterbuilt-330-Custom--WJcxL

qbrozen · July 2022

@stickguy said:
Hers a truck for you Farmer. Nice Florida rig. Miles a little higher than you prefer though.

Or maybe would work for QBs new business, fetching JDM hoopties from the port

https://modsandmiles.com/auction-details/?vuid=2001-Peterbuilt-330-Custom--WJcxL

Can’t see all pics at the moment because I’m waiting near the Baltimore port, but looks pretty damned sweet from what I see so far.

Yeah… Montway screwed me so I rented a dolly this morn and headed down here to fetch the car myself.

Always thought you could tow a RWD car backwards, but the interwebs says no. Something about breaking the steering linkage. I find that very odd because why would it break when it can be driven normally the roads without that happening. Anyway, going to disconnect driveshaft instead. Or at least try to. Worst case, suggestion is to leave it in neutral but with engine running so it pumps trans fluid the whole time. Hopefully ai can avoid that.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

stickguy said:
Hers a truck for you Farmer. Nice Florida rig. Miles a little higher than you prefer though.

Or maybe would work for QBs new business, fetching JDM hoopties from the port

https://modsandmiles.com/auction-details/?vuid=2001-Peterbuilt-330-Custom--WJcxL

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I know what they said about the mileage but if @oldfarmer50 buys it his first use of it should be to get all the heavy replacement parts it’ll need so he won’t have to rent a U-Haul to get them. If it was so reliable why would a trucker worth his salt have sold it?

jmonroe

xwesx · July 2022

qbrozen said:

Always thought you could tow a RWD car backwards, but the interwebs says no. Something about breaking the steering linkage. I find that very odd because why would it break when it can be driven normally the roads without that happening. Anyway, going to disconnect driveshaft instead. Or at least try to. Worst case, suggestion is to leave it in neutral but with engine running so it pumps trans fluid the whole time. Hopefully ai can avoid that.

Q, it really depends on how far you are towing it, etc. I have towed RWD automatics backwards on a dolly... once about 250 miles... no issues. However, at that distance, if I had to do it again, I would definitely pull the driveshaft and pull it forward.

If you're pulling it a short distance, I would just put the rear wheels on the dolly and call it good.

stickguy · July 2022

Sounds a lot easier to have a full trailer. Just need more towing capacity.

28firefighter · July 2022

So I've had an opportunity to get a lot of seat time in the Y this last week, and I have to say, I'm really impressed across the board. I know folks have had fit and finish issues, issues with material quality, etc. - but I'm really happy and feel like we got our money's worth. No rattles, no panel gaps, no marks - nothing. Having the extra space on the interior and the easier entry relative to the 3 has been a really nice change - it is also much quieter on the highway, which might be a function of the double layer glass on the doors.

As far as performance, well, it's a rocket. If I had one complaint, it is that it handles speed so well and is so quiet, that you really do not know how fast you're going unless you pay attention. The difference between 45 mph and 95 mph is barely perceptible. Not that I've tried.

Also, fun fact, if you keep hammering it off the line it really kills your range - I'm sure everyone is surprised to hear that. Again, not that I've been testing it out.

The only decision we need to make is whether I want to swap the Pirelli PZero summer tires out for Michelin Pilot 4S All seasons and use that year round, or buy a second set of wheels/tires that are smaller for fall/winter use when it gets cooler out.

xwesx · July 2022

Well, I think that depends on whether you hammer it to 195 and get 100 mile range on a charge. Not that you've tried, mind you, but worth considering.

oldfarmer50 · July 2022

stickguy said:
Hers a truck for you Farmer. Nice Florida rig. Miles a little higher than you prefer though.

Or maybe would work for QBs new business, fetching JDM hoopties from the port

https://modsandmiles.com/auction-details/?vuid=2001-Peterbuilt-330-Custom--WJcxL

That’s quite a monstrosity.

oldfarmer50 · July 2022

28firefighter said:
So I've had an opportunity to get a lot of seat time in the Y this last week, and I have to say, I'm really impressed across the board. I know folks have had fit and finish issues, issues with material quality, etc. - but I'm really happy and feel like we got our money's worth. No rattles, no panel gaps, no marks - nothing. Having the extra space on the interior and the easier entry relative to the 3 has been a really nice change - it is also much quieter on the highway, which might be a function of the double layer glass on the doors.

As far as performance, well, it's a rocket. If I had one complaint, it is that it handles speed so well and is so quiet, that you really do not know how fast you're going unless you pay attention. The difference between 45 mph and 95 mph is barely perceptible. Not that I've tried.

Also, fun fact, if you keep hammering it off the line it really kills your range - I'm sure everyone is surprised to hear that. Again, not that I've been testing it out.

The only decision we need to make is whether I want to swap the Pirelli PZero summer tires out for Michelin Pilot 4S All seasons and use that year round, or buy a second set of wheels/tires that are smaller for fall/winter use when it gets cooler out.

The Pilot 4S all seasons I put on my Mustang are night and day better than the all season Pirellis that came with the car.

Michaell · July 2022

I had to take the daughter's MINI into the dealer. Driving to work yesterday, she reported the low battery warning light came on. Research showed that it could be the alternator or alternator belt, so scheduled an appointment.

Turns out the battery was about to fail, so I had it replaced. The old battery only lasted 3 years.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

Michaell said:
I had to take the daughter's MINI into the dealer. Driving to work yesterday, she reported the low battery warning light came on. Research showed that it could be the alternator or alternator belt, so scheduled an appointment.

Turns out the battery was about to fail, so I had it replaced. The old battery only lasted 3 years.

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Batteries today don’t last as long as they used to but only getting 3 years out of one is pretty bad. Did it have a prorated warranty?

jmonroe

andres3 · July 2022

xwesx said:
Well, I think that depends on whether you hammer it to 195 and get 100 mile range on a charge. Not that you've tried, mind you, but worth considering.

If you hit 195 MPH you get extended range from the momentum; you could run out of juice and still make it over to the next ~~gas~~.... errr.. charging station.

Michaell · July 2022

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:
I had to take the daughter's MINI into the dealer. Driving to work yesterday, she reported the low battery warning light came on. Research showed that it could be the alternator or alternator belt, so scheduled an appointment.

Turns out the battery was about to fail, so I had it replaced. The old battery only lasted 3 years.
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Batteries today don’t last as long as they used to but only getting 3 years out of one is pretty bad. Did it have a prorated warranty?

jmonroe

I didn't check.

breld · July 2022

I was given access to the “R1T shop” by Rivian earlier this week, where I could select from trucks that would be available sooner than my configured model. My current expected delivery date would be Dec-Jan, and these ones are in production and available within 6 weeks or so.

I ended up selecting a white truck configured closely to my ordered one…other than the exterior color, other differences were the interior was the Forest Edge (green) interior, which was on all but one of the dozen or so available units. Plus they all have the powered tonneau cover, whereas I have ordered the manual cover.

But then my wife and I decided we may want a color more fun than the white, so we’re having Rivian “unmatch” our order from the VIN we selected and provide access to the store again.

Of course, that personal preference only matters if we keep it, which is at best a 50/50 shot given the enormous profit that could be had on a flip.

But then that got me to thinking, if I do decide to keep it, I’d probably want the SUV. That would probably put me into next year, though I still get the original pricing.

I’m all over the place.

28firefighter · July 2022

The good news, @breld, is you could keep it for your normal ownership duration and probably still turn it for that enormous profit.

cdnpinhead · July 2022

Water is wet.

qbrozen · July 2022

I got an email from Lucid about that same thing (choose a different configuration to get it faster). I haven't had time to look at it.

Just got home from my white-knuckle journey. More later.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

qbrozen said:
I got an email from Lucid about that same thing (choose a different configuration to get it faster). I haven't had time to look at it.

Just got home from my white-knuckle journey. More later.

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As long as it followed you home you should be fine.

jmonroe

qbrozen · July 2022

It followed alright. Nothing quite like constantly being fooled out of the corners of your eyes thinking someone is about to ram you. Lol.

corvette · July 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCXHo-bAqY

xwesx · July 2022

andres3 said:

xwesx said:
Well, I think that depends on whether you hammer it to 195 and get 100 mile range on a charge. Not that you've tried, mind you, but worth considering.
If you hit 195 MPH you get extended range from the momentum; you could run out of juice and still make it over to the next ~~gas~~.... errr.. charging station.

Typo on my part. Meant to say "95" but must have got ahead of myself with the next comment's number. That's pretty funny, though. I think you're probably pretty close to correct.... as long as you turn off regen braking!

xwesx · July 2022

qbrozen said:
I got an email from Lucid about that same thing (choose a different configuration to get it faster). I haven't had time to look at it.

Just got home from my white-knuckle journey. More later.

White knuckle journey?! I know those... and I just cannot imagine this was that. However, I can imagine it being at least interesting. Now I'm going to be waiting with bated breath. What a way to start Automotive Maintenance Weekend.

Ah, well. Happy AMW, everyone!

xwesx · July 2022

breld said:
....But then that got me to thinking, if I do decide to keep it, I’d probably want the SUV. That would probably put me into next year, though I still get the original pricing.

I’m all over the place.

You might not keep them long, but you sure take the buying process seriously! I approve, and, frankly, it sounds like a good problem to have regardless of which way you go with it! Good luck.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

qbrozen said:
It followed alright. Nothing quite like constantly being fooled out of the corners of your eyes thinking someone is about to ram you. Lol.

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Well, if it did you’d know who to sue.

jmonroe

stickguy · July 2022

I went in for my first oil change today and tried to find the sales manager I dealt with, but she was not in the dealership right then. so did not get with her. So sent an email when I got home. I expect that to get ignored or at best get back a generic "we will let you know when we know more" response.

qbrozen · July 2022

@xwesx said:
White knuckle journey?! I know those... and I just cannot imagine this was that. However, I can imagine it being at least interesting. Now I'm going to be waiting with bated breath. What a way to start Automotive Maintenance Weekend.

Ah, well. Happy AMW, everyone!

Could have been worse, I suppose. But a lot of unknowns and right at or slightly above the manufacturer’s suggested towing capacity, and without trailer brakes.

I will say it was better than I feared, but tiring nonetheless, especially on NJ highways where everyone wants to play chicken with all the overloaded vehicles on the road.

corvette · July 2022

The tl;dr on the Maverick orders is that late-ordered 2022 models (late here meaning December 2021 to the order cutoff in January 2022) with constraints are likely not to be built as 2022 models (mine fits both of those criteria). If you have an unscheduled 2022 order, Ford will give you a "private offer" on a 2023 which is supposed to make up the difference for any 2023 price increases, and you will have the option of making at least some changes to your 2023 build, although it is not clear you will be able to switch from an Ecoboost to a hybrid or vice versa. You are also supposed to have priority over new 2023 orders. I'm not clear on whether the 0% financing and the $750 private offer I already had at the time I ordered a 2022 would potentially carry over.

A handful of options:
1. Buy the Tundra (it appears to be presently worth slightly more than its lease buyout even after the $2,350-ish sales tax hit I'd have to take); sell it for whatever it's worth when the Maverick arrives. No guarantee of what that figure will be, though.
2. Buy a reasonably priced used CUV to tide me over. What I have gone and looked at in the $10k range has been in very bad condition, to the point that I am tired of looking.
3. Lease a Tacoma or 4Xe. Either drop the Maverick order or plan to immediately resell it upon arrival.
4. My parents seldom drive their Q5 and don't really need a second car. They have offered to lend it to me until the Maverick arrives. I'd feel guilty about using it as a daily and, at the very minimum, getting dog hair in it that will probably never completely come out, but it would be nicer than most cars I've driven.

I would still keep the Prius but wouldn't have to rely on it as a daily. Obviously #4 is the most economical option, but #2 and #3 pull very strongly because I'm a CCBA. Any thoughts?

stickguy · July 2022

take the family loaner and you can keep looking for a different alternative. I would not expect the Maverick much if any before New Years.

henryn · July 2022

corvette said:

4. My parents seldom drive their Q5 and don't really need a second car. They have offered to lend it to me until the Maverick arrives. I'd feel guilty about using it as a daily and, at the very minimum, getting dog hair in it that will probably never completely come out, but it would be nicer than most cars I've driven.

I have hauled many dogs in many different cars, and trucks, and vans, and minivans, and ... You name it, I've hauled dogs in it. Big dogs, little dogs, long haired dogs that shed prodigiously, I've hauled 'em. And cleaned up after them. Dog hair is not that bad, it's really a much simpler cleaning job than cigarette smoke or the smell from dead mice (don't ask). A good vacuum cleaner, plenty of packing tape, and a little Febreze and you're in good shape.

The absolute worst case, pay a couple of hundred to a detail shop.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

stickguy said:
take the family loaner and you can keep looking for a different alternative. I would not expect the Maverick much if any before New Years.

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What year?

jmonroe

corvette · July 2022

@jmonroe 2018, first of the current model. It is probably due for annual service (prepaid), so I could probably take care of that while it’s here.

jmonroe1 · July 2022

corvette said:
@jmonroe 2018, first of the current model. It is probably due for annual service (prepaid), so I could probably take care of that while it’s here.

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I was talking about the Maverick order.

jmonroe

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