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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    at this point, pick any year and you could be right.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,460
    stickguy said:

    at this point, pick any year and you could be right.

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    I guess that’s another way of saying, “pick any year and you could be wrong”.

    Me personally, I’d have no patience dealing with Ford for a Maverick order.

    jmonroe
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    qbrozen said:

    I got an email from Lucid about that same thing (choose a different configuration to get it faster). I haven't had time to look at it.

    YIKES! Next level up is $100k. And they want an additional $700 deposit. Hard pass.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,236
    stickguy said:

    at this point, pick any year and you could be right.

    I'd definitely like some disclosure from Ford on how many 2022 orders were unfulfilled, as that would shed light on the probable number of "prioritized" 2023 builds.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    oh, no chance they are ever telling you that. They have never released how many orders they even took.

    best guess I have seen is maybe 10,000? but the bigger issue is, the ones getting pushed are mostly ones with constraints and it is not like those are all disappearing in the fall. so you might be 1st on the list but still not get built for a while.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,236
    stickguy said:

    but the bigger issue is, the ones getting pushed are mostly ones with constraints and it is not like those are all disappearing in the fall. so you might be 1st on the list but still not get built for a while.

    I was figuring that--they can crank out a bunch of base 2023 models for dealer stock/sale to fleets because they aren't constrained, but I would expect my 2022 ordered XL with CP360 to be produced ahead of a later ordered XL with CP360.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,236
    edited July 2022
    Really disappointed with the lack of enabling... :D
    But, borrowing the Q5 is definitely the path of least resistance, and again, the quality of the used cars in the price range I'm comfortable taking a flyer on is quite poor and it's becoming frustrating. I really lucked out buying the Prius, in spite of its flaws.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    I am glad I bought the Mav when I did, because I refuse to even think about wading into the used car pool again anytime soon. Even new shopping is terrible!

    I told my dealer when I emailed that I am very happy to roll over, and wanted to upgrade from an XLT to a Lariat when it does. it can show up whenever it feels like. Don't really care at this point! Who knows if I even end up buying it whenever if finally shows up.

    I am over 8 months waiting at this point. a 2023 will not be delivered until December at the earliest so even if mine was one of the first built it would be at least 14 months since I ordered it. good thing I really like the one I have!

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,756
    corvette said:


    4. My parents seldom drive their Q5 and don't really need a second car. They have offered to lend it to me until the Maverick arrives. I'd feel guilty about using it as a daily and, at the very minimum, getting dog hair in it that will probably never completely come out, but it would be nicer than most cars I've driven.

    I would still keep the Prius but wouldn't have to rely on it as a daily. Obviously #4 is the most economical option, but #2 and #3 pull very strongly because I'm a CCBA. Any thoughts?

    #4; easily. Especially since you're looking at this as a temporary thing. Get a travel crate for the dog and slip him in that when traveling.
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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,591
    breld said:

    I was given access to the “R1T shop” by Rivian earlier this week, where I could select from trucks that would be available sooner than my configured model. My current expected delivery date would be Dec-Jan, and these ones are in production and available within 6 weeks or so.

    I ended up selecting a white truck configured closely to my ordered one…other than the exterior color, other differences were the interior was the Forest Edge (green) interior, which was on all but one of the dozen or so available units. Plus they all have the powered tonneau cover, whereas I have ordered the manual cover.

    But then my wife and I decided we may want a color more fun than the white, so we’re having Rivian “unmatch” our order from the VIN we selected and provide access to the store again.

    Of course, that personal preference only matters if we keep it, which is at best a 50/50 shot given the enormous profit that could be had on a flip.

    But then that got me to thinking, if I do decide to keep it, I’d probably want the SUV. That would probably put me into next year, though I still get the original pricing.

    I’m all over the place.

    I went Forest Green with the Ocean Coast interior on my R1S configuration. But I think the white on green would be a pretty nice combo.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    Took a few videos today. Here are some still shots of what else came on the boat.






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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 240,063
    tifighter said:

    This Rivian and Lucid talk makes me think that we also have a chronic car reservations anonymous thing going on. I certainly have a few.

    Add 1 for me.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,312
    edited July 2022
    In my misspent street racing youth I used my dad's 1973 Bronco to tow a few fallen warriors back to the garage- using only a chain. That experience came in handy in the ALCAN 2000 when some fellow rallyists ran out of gas- I used the X5 to tow their Subaru for 15 miles to a gas station outside Whitehorse, YT.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435

    I want the Manya GT. Not that I know what the heck it is

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435

    Turns out I can’t read. It’s an opel manta. The model that came out in 1976-1988. Replacing the body I had (a 75). Must have been what the rest of the world got when the US got the opel by Isuzu.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,027
    Seems the Japanese have even worse taste in vehicles than I realized.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    @ab348 said:
    Seems the Japanese have even worse taste in vehicles than I realized.

    Don’t forget that someone in the US bought it and paid to ship it here!

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,460
    stickguy said:

    I want the Manya GT. Not that I know what the heck it is

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    I heard that gold Benz was bought for use as a traveling massage parlor.

    jmonroe
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  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,497
    Thought the gold Benz was a hearse.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,092
    edited July 2022
    Gold MB is a W126-based hearse.
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,460
    carnaught said:

    Thought the gold Benz was a hearse.

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    You thought wrong. :#

    jmonroe
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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,460
    fintail said:

    Gold MB is a W126-based hearse.

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    OK but it was the massage that killed the guy. Saves one step anyway.

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,092
    Unhappy ending? :)
    jmonroe1 said:

    fintail said:

    Gold MB is a W126-based hearse.

    ————————————————
    OK but it was the massage that killed the guy. Saves one step anyway.

    jmonroe
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    Some stills of the time capsule. Totally untouched at this point. As it came off the boat.




    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    Caution, porn ahead. You’d think this was a new car.



    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,188
    @qbrozen How much, all in?

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,559
    qbrozen said:

    Some stills of the time capsule. Totally untouched at this point. As it came off the boat.




    Did those seat doilies come with the car or are they yours?

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,850

    @qbrozen
    I love it! Great find

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333

    That thing is unbelievably clean.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,373

    @qbrozen - nice find! I can’t believe how clean that car is. Did you know it’s condition before you bid or was it just from whatever auction photos there were?

    @corvette - I know how patient you are with picking out used cars. There’s a lot of garbage and a lot of cars being flipped by curbstoners and they aren’t cheap, I think borrowing. Your parents’ Audi is the way to go when the tundra lease is up. I know you’ll keep the interior clean as you can. As long as you put some sort of cover down it will stay good.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,850
    nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen - nice find! I can’t believe how clean that car is. Did you know it’s condition before you bid or was it just from whatever auction photos there were?

    @corvette - I know how patient you are with picking out used cars. There’s a lot of garbage and a lot of cars being flipped by curbstoners and they aren’t cheap, I think borrowing. Your parents’ Audi is the way to go when the tundra lease is up. I know you’ll keep the interior clean as you can. As long as you put some sort of cover down it will stay good.

    You guys should see my car after a weekend of beaching with two kids. It always cleans right up.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen - nice find! I can’t believe how clean that car is. Did you know it’s condition before you bid or was it just from whatever auction photos there were?

    The photos are always low-res and only a few of them, so you have to rely on the condition report. I've read their reports are [largely] reliable and very strict. I'd have to say now I agree.

    This was rated a 4, with 6 being the max, and you can have 3.5 and 4.5, as well, so there are 8 grades. Here are 3 and up, to give you an idea:
    6 New
    5 As new with no condition faults
    4.5 Very clean, one panel affected by minor paint blemish
    4 More than one panel affected by minor paint blemishes
    3.5 Some attention to panel and paint is required
    3 Rough overall condition

    But you also have to look at the letter grades for exterior and interior. Those are ... well, I read A-D, but I have seen E on reports, so I'll have to say there is A-E. Mine was a C/B for ext/int. Then it gets really tricky because you have to start considering the combination of numbers and letters AND considering the auction house. Some are more liberal than others. Granted, I have yet to see much, and I only have this one example, but my limited experience has me focusing on 3.5 to 4.5 and nothing below a C. You can sometimes click on a 3.5 and find a B/B grading, while you click on another 3.5 and find D/D. So each piece doesn't make a whole lot of sense and you have to take everything into consideration. I've requested info on 4, B/B cars and they come back with "not original paint, not original miles, corrosion underneath" (or some combo of those) and I'm left wondering how the hell it got the rating it did. Or you'll see a 3.5 C/B and see clearcoat totally shot on the hood and roof. Mine was a C/B, so how can a vehicle with shot clearcoat be a C/B? I'll also look at RA cars. RA means a car that has had "minor" bodywork. I've run into the occasional RA, B/B vehicle with one fender replaced. I'd be fine with that on a $5k car with super low miles.

    In other words, it ain't easy and you gotta look at every detail you can. Obviously, my bidding takes all of that into consideration. I won't pay top dollar unless all signs point to a good car.

    Oh yeah, and some auctions don't have 2 letters; they have the number and then they give one letter that represents the interior. I don't rely on those, though. I have yet to bid on a car at an auction that uses this abbreviated system.

    I should point out that I have attempted to buy more Glorias since and none are going for what I paid on this one. I am pretty confident this one slipped through the cracks and I got lucky. Not that we're talking a ton of money, but those with 2-3x the miles and similar grading have been getting double what I paid. It could very well be a color issue. We like the dark green metallic here, but maybe that's not desirable in Japan. I notice they have A LOT of pearl white cars, and those seem to command a premium. Green sedans seem to be pretty rare. It is more common on the SUVs.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,435
    I know this one is particularly clean but I don't quite get what you are doing with it. It is an "old mans" 4 door luxo style car with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I can see the attraction for a Skyline or other high performance car, or even one of the funky little trucklets, but is there really much of a market for a Gloria?

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,850

    @stickguy said:
    I know this one is particularly clean but I don't quite get what you are doing with it. It is an "old mans" 4 door luxo style car with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I can see the attraction for a Skyline or other high performance car, or even one of the funky little trucklets, but is there really much of a market for a Gloria?

    Ouch

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333

    There is a market for anything JDM if only for the novelty. Let alone a running, driving, very clean daily for someone for a reasonable price. Even if he sells it for $7500 or $8k, that’s a good price for a well sorted daily.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 10,236
    I don't think I could daily a RHD car unless I were using it to deliver mail.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889
    edited July 2022

    @stickguy said:
    I know this one is particularly clean but I don't quite get what you are doing with it. It is an "old mans" 4 door luxo style car with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I can see the attraction for a Skyline or other high performance car, or even one of the funky little trucklets, but is there really much of a market for a Gloria?

    As previously posted; more than double the miles and smaller engine:
    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/Kd67p7w1/1996-nissan-gloria-gran-turismo

    With the 3.0 in mine, it is a 4-door 300z. Or, as I mentioned a while back, a JDM 530i. Ha.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 7,460
    corvette said:

    I don't think I could daily a RHD car unless I were using it to deliver mail.

    ————————————————-
    Before buying one for that, I’d ask @Sandman6472 if it would be a legal US mail hauler.

    jmonroe
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,092
    Interesting badging on the Gloria, the "SV" trim suffix is much older than I seemed to recall.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,373

    I’m starting to see a few TLX Type S on the road. They did a great job with those. Very sharp looking!

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,756
    edited July 2022
    That Gloria looks incredible, Q. Nice find, indeed. And, a great experience to introduce a new aspect to the world of autos!
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,559
    qbrozen said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @qbrozen - nice find! I can’t believe how clean that car is. Did you know it’s condition before you bid or was it just from whatever auction photos there were?

    The photos are always low-res and only a few of them, so you have to rely on the condition report. I've read their reports are [largely] reliable and very strict. I'd have to say now I agree.

    This was rated a 4, with 6 being the max, and you can have 3.5 and 4.5, as well, so there are 8 grades. Here are 3 and up, to give you an idea:
    6 New
    5 As new with no condition faults
    4.5 Very clean, one panel affected by minor paint blemish
    4 More than one panel affected by minor paint blemishes
    3.5 Some attention to panel and paint is required
    3 Rough overall condition

    But you also have to look at the letter grades for exterior and interior. Those are ... well, I read A-D, but I have seen E on reports, so I'll have to say there is A-E. Mine was a C/B for ext/int. Then it gets really tricky because you have to start considering the combination of numbers and letters AND considering the auction house. Some are more liberal than others. Granted, I have yet to see much, and I only have this one example, but my limited experience has me focusing on 3.5 to 4.5 and nothing below a C. You can sometimes click on a 3.5 and find a B/B grading, while you click on another 3.5 and find D/D. So each piece doesn't make a whole lot of sense and you have to take everything into consideration. I've requested info on 4, B/B cars and they come back with "not original paint, not original miles, corrosion underneath" (or some combo of those) and I'm left wondering how the hell it got the rating it did. Or you'll see a 3.5 C/B and see clearcoat totally shot on the hood and roof. Mine was a C/B, so how can a vehicle with shot clearcoat be a C/B? I'll also look at RA cars. RA means a car that has had "minor" bodywork. I've run into the occasional RA, B/B vehicle with one fender replaced. I'd be fine with that on a $5k car with super low miles.

    In other words, it ain't easy and you gotta look at every detail you can. Obviously, my bidding takes all of that into consideration. I won't pay top dollar unless all signs point to a good car.

    Oh yeah, and some auctions don't have 2 letters; they have the number and then they give one letter that represents the interior. I don't rely on those, though. I have yet to bid on a car at an auction that uses this abbreviated system.

    I should point out that I have attempted to buy more Glorias since and none are going for what I paid on this one. I am pretty confident this one slipped through the cracks and I got lucky. Not that we're talking a ton of money, but those with 2-3x the miles and similar grading have been getting double what I paid. It could very well be a color issue. We like the dark green metallic here, but maybe that's not desirable in Japan. I notice they have A LOT of pearl white cars, and those seem to command a premium. Green sedans seem to be pretty rare. It is more common on the SUVs.
    I have to hand it to you, no way I would be able to navigate the labyrinth of such a purchase. The best part is that it worked out so well and you got a car in such good condition.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,373

    @qbrozen - not that I plan on trying, but how did the wrangler do towing?

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,220

    I found another M4 Comp; a 2019 one owner with 24k miles and a full dealer service history. The price is borderline reasonable. Might check it out next weekend.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    @nyccarguy said:
    @qbrozen - not that I plan on trying, but how did the wrangler do towing?

    The brakes worked really well. But it did not like having ~4100-4200 lbs out back when it came to turning or broken pavement. And I would have felt so much better if the trailer had brakes, too, regardless of how well the Jeep’s work. I got a lot of sideways looks from the dock workers. Lol.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,333

    So, I decided to take a look at my average energy consumption on the Tesla over the first couple charging cycles to understand how aggressively I’ve been testing the car. An average of 345 wh/mile. To give you some sense, Tesla’s estimates are based off a combined average of 304. Hahahahaha.

    Once I started driving like a human most of the time my averaged dropped to 294.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,889

    We get about 600 in the Jeep. Haha.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

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