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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Black car had a 7 Liter badge on the front fender.
Not a great security feature, that's for sure! Mind you, both would have a prevalent warning light that says "no key detected," but, if you're using the car without permission, you might already be aware of that fact....
So frustrating!
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No matter what you or I think, in most cases those people who died would not have with keys sticking out of the ignition.
My boss' parents almost had this effect on people who lived above them. Luckily, it was figured out before it became fatal.
So what brand was that vehicle that didn't alert them that the vehicle was still running?
I also saw 4 Mercury Milan's today.
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So what brand was that vehicle that didn't alert them that the vehicle was still running?
You can Google the problem. I have no idea what makes of cars are associated with this having happened.
Our Equinox gives a short horn toot a couple times--the same sound you hear all around you in a parking lot and also with a key fob when you lock the doors. I can tell you when I left it running, early on, I didn't notice it and didn't notice the car running, mind set full-speed-ahead on my shopping list and/or what else I had to do after that store run. It hasn't happened again to me in probably three years.
I had to chuckle at whomever posted earlier about sometimes having to get out of the car to get keys out of your pocket. You must wear skinny jeans! I'm a fat guy and never have to do that.
I tried to google it, and the first thing to pop up, in a huge font, was "Help Is Available" and "988" and a bunch of suicide prevention links. I couldn't find anything about modern cars being too clean-running. In fact, one site even said that running a car in the garage is unsafe, even if you have the door open!
You'd think turning off a car would be a no-brainer, but I could see someone getting distracted, and forgetting to do it.
Especially older folks, who've been driving over fifty years with keys pointing at them.
If you can forget to push the button and not notice why wouldn’t you forget to turn the key and not notice?
You also need to T least put it in park or it will drive off into the back wall of the garage!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Actually, now that I think about it, I do remember starting the car once, and for whatever reason, moving it to another part of the yard, around on the other side of the garage. I was intending to move it again in just a moment or two, but then I went and got distracted, did something else, totally forgot about the car.
About a half hour later, I was thinking, CRAP, did I leave that Regal running?! I ran out, and thankfully, it was turned off. BUT, I had left the keys in the ignition. It was outside, at least, so even if I had left it running, it wouldn't have hurt anything, other than wasting fuel.
I also remember one time, when I went to park, forgetting to actually PUT the car in park. So when I went to turn it off, it shut off, but naturally I couldn't pull the key out. However, sometimes when a car gets older, the ignition will wear, and you can pull the key out at any time. My '67 Catalina is like this, and so is one of my New Yorkers. I also had an '82 Cutlass Supreme that could do that. I remember one of my friends swore up and down that on the Cutlass, that was a convenience feature, but I can't imagine any auto maker doing that.
The brain can be a weird thing sometimes...at least, mine can. Unless I'm getting early-onset old-timer's disease!
For several years Chevy had an ignition switch that had a lock and off position. You could remove the key in the off position and then start the car without the key. My neighbor never locked his car and never used the ignition key as he never put the ignition switch to lock.
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It also does sound the horn at intervals, maybe 15 or 30 seconds.
The engine shuts off after 1/2 an hour.
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Or, in the old days, when people let their cars warm up longer, you could pull the key out, lock the door, go back in the house, and let it keep warming up? People tend to think of GM cars as "square head ignition only, round key trunk and doors", but at least up through '69, the square key handled both the doors and the ignition, while the round key was for the trunk and glovebox, if it was equipped with a lock.
Actually, I never understood why GM switched from that method to using a separate key for the doors and ignition. I grew up being used to separate keys, so it seemed "normal" to me. But, my first exposure to a Chrysler product, where the Pentastar-shaped key handled both the doors and ignition, seemed SOOO much easier. Does anybody know what year GM switched up on their keys? All I know is that it was after 1969, as my Bonneville had the old method, but 1976 or earlier, because my Grand LeMans has the "new" method.
Also, I don't know if all cars were like this, but once upon a time, they made trunks so that you could close it, without locking it. My '57 DeSoto is like that. The lock is actually a pushbutton with a lock cylinder in it. Just push the button and it pops open. If you want to lock it, you have to close it, and then turn the key. I wonder what prompted the auto makers to move away from that? Probably the auspices of increased security, but I imagine it was a simpler mechanism that saved them a few cents per car.
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I almost never saw coupes in that version. I do admit to be awestruck by the LeBaron (four-door) models as in my hometown I NEVER, and I mean NEVER, saw an Imperial in this '64-66 era that wasn't a Crown.
The wraparound windshield on these cars doesn't faze me a bit.
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If I had to pick a luxury car from 1966, it would actually be a hard choice for me. I like all three, but there are other years of each one I like better. For instance, if you said 1960, I'd go Imperial without even thinking. 1961-62 it would be Cadillac. With Lincolns, I tend to like the big 70's battlecruisers although, oddly, I find the 1960 appealing. But, for '66, I'd probably get swayed towards the Imperial, if someone held a gun to my head and told me to pick one.
Oh, as for GM keys, the ones on my Catalina look like the "normal" square head/round head style. But, they also say "Curtis" on them, so they're not original. There's an older set of keys to that car around here, somewhere, but I can't remember what the ignition/door key looks like. However, I seem to recall those keys were gold/bronze, and not silver.
The keys for the DeSoto are aluminum. I'm sure they were easily bent and a delight to replace. And if I ever lose them, it'd probably be easier to re-learn how to hotwire the car, than to get a replacement set!
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On the way home, this old Ford Econoline ice cream truck. Seemed weird, seeing something that old still in service! At least, I think it's still in service...that's not a kidnapped woman trying to get attention, in the upper window, is it?!
I had also spotted a beat-up, primer gray 80's El Camino SS on the way into work, but wasn't able to get a good picture of it. And, at some point in the last couple days, I saw one of those chunky '71-73 Cougar convertibles, top down and being enjoyed, as Mother Nature intended.
I haven't spotted anything cool out on the road lately, but am just back from a day out at the Studebaker National Museum. I posted a few pics on the 'Postwar Studebaker' page here. I also had some time at the Archives there. A lady friend I've known for almost 40 years, told me back then that they had a Studebaker until into the early '70's and she was derided at school for it, LOL. I remember the stigma of an orphan car then, especially with a funny name like 'Studebaker'. Anyway, from an old B&W pic I could tell it was a '64 or '65, which are virtually identical. She remembered her Dad saying it was a leftover the dealer had a long time....not unusual after South Bend closed down. I knew what town she said they bought it new in, and the Historian Emeritus of the national club told me that dealer's dealer number. At the Archives I started in the file cabinet of Retail Sale Cards filled out by dealers, by month, then dealer number. The cards are some sort of primitive computer feed. They must've come to the dealership with the car as the year, model number, and serial number, and dealer number and zone are pre-printed on the card. Rest of the info is typed and/or handwritten. It took me about twenty minutes to find the card with her parents' names on it, his occupation, salesman's name, serial number, and trade-in (they had none). I made a copy and she thought it was cool her parents' name was on something in a museum, LOL. A couple months' later in the files (since I was working backwards, I actually found this first), I found the same last name of a person who bought a '65 Stude new and traded in a '64 Stude and occupation was "Service Manager". Here, that was her uncle.
My friends' car was a 1964 Commander V8 4-door sedan, built in Hamilton, ON since serial started with a "C", and her parents didn't buy it until March 1965. The archivist who was helping from the other end found that that small-town dealer in NW OH sold a new Avanti in Feb. '65. Avantis hadn't been built since Dec. '63.
I don't remember any of my previous Studes having factory keys by the time I got them, but my current low-mileage one does. Both the ignition and trunk keys look the same but the trunk key is shorter. EDIT: Until I looked at this pic, I don't think I ever realized the key heads are different shapes. I just always saw the 'circle S' part of it.
The spare set that came with the car look brand-new. (These aren't them)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
height: 53.1"
width: 77.1"
length: 215.8"
They still look big, when you see one off by itself in a picture, or at a car show where it's surrounded by similar cars. But out in the wild, with the proliferation of trucks, crossovers, and SUVs, they don't seem so big. And even the few actual cars that are left, have definitely gotten taller. Even my 2003 Regal is 56.6", and I'm sure newer cars have grown a bit since then.
Even the Charger, which still manages to look fairly low-slung to me, is 57.6" to 58.5" tall, depending on the trim level.
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Born prematurely at Cincinnati Zoo, she's been a name often mentioned.
https://cincinnatizoo.org/fiona-the-world-famous-hippo/
https://cincinnatizoo.org/the-fiona-show/
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If that thing had a sticker price of $4060 as equipped, it makes me second-quess what my DeSoto probably stickered for. My Firedome 2-door hardtop had a base MSRP of $3,085, but its transmission is a 3-speed Torqueflite, rather than a 2-speed Powerflite. Mine also has a radio, and both driver and passenger-side mirrors. I don't know what "molding pkg #2" got you as far as trim goes. Mine has a few extra trim pieces on it that, judging from other Firedomes I've seen, were optional. But then I've seen some with extra trim around the base of the C-pillar and along the drip edge of the roof molding. I used to think mine was around $3800 as equipped, but using that Firesweep as a reference, I'm guessing it should easily have been in excess of $4,000.
You could get a Dodge Royal for less than a Firesweep, and a Custom Royal for not much more, and they were a bit better equipped. So in a lot of ways, to me the Firesweep just never made sense. I recall reading somewhere on the internet (so take it with a grain of salt) that the Firesweep didn't really steal sales away from Mercury, Olds, or Buick, so much as it took them from Dodge, and the DeSoto Firedome. But, on the plus side, '57 was a great year for Chrysler corporation as a whole, sales-wise, in a year that was down for the industry, as a whole. IIRC, it was DeSoto's third best year ever, behind 1950 and 1953, respectively. I think Chrysler division was down, slightly, compared to 1956, but some of their sales might have been stolen at the upper end, by the new Imperial, which had its best year ever, and almost outsold Lincoln.
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I'm curious why under the dealer name, they had "Starting Lighting Ignition".
Years ago, I knew someone who had a 1950 DeSoto Custom 4-door sedan. It was black with a gray interior. Stuffy, conservative car, but it was nice, and in great shape. He was a local guy, in the local DeSoto club. When I bought my '57, he decided he wanted something more exciting, so he bought '55 Fireflite Coronado, a "spring special" that was triple-tone...aqua colored body, white roof, black spear. Kind of an interesting parallel, that here someone got rid of a '50 for a '57, and years later, me getting a '57, made someone get rid of their '50!
I guess what I'm saying is, as late as 1972 a radio was still optional even on a Cadillac.
had a double header by naming the next storm "Fritz" after Fiona's little brother born last month.
Fiona followed by Fritz.
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I actually have the old paperwork for that Monterey. It's showing a cash price of $3760. All the other add-ons, like tags, tax and so on, came out to $81.20, for a total of $3841.20. He got $1,908.15 in trade for that '61 Galaxie, and put $100 down. The "due on delivery" part was $1833.05.
As for options, the paperwork shows: 2-tone paint, Merc-O-Matic transmission, power steering, push button radio, tinted windshield, padded dash/visors, remote control side view mirror, full disc wheel covers, and whitewall tires, 7.50 14s. It doesn't mention power brakes, but with those old drum brake cars, power assist wasn't as essential as it is with disc brake cars. Also no mention of a heater, but I'd guess that was standard by then? I can't see someone in Maryland ordering a car without a heater.
According to my old car book, a 1963 Mercury Monterey Custom 4-door hardtop started at $3148. I remember back when Granddad said the Mercury was $3500, and he gave them the '61 Galaxie plus $1200, it seemed like a good deal. But looking at this paperwork, I'm wondering if, perhaps not?
Found the paperwork for the '61 Galaxie, as well. Looks like it was $3509.94. They got a trade in of $1450 for their '57 Fairlane 500. Wish I could find the paperwork for that '57 Ford. I'd always been curious about that one.
Mercury moved back downscale for 1961, but by '63 it seemed like they were getting nicer and more upscale again. In terms of hierarchy/prestige, I would think of the '57 Firesweep and '63 Monterey Custom more or less on equal footing. Oddly, the horsepower isn't much different. I don't see any mention of an optional engine for either of those cars in the paperwork, so the '57 Firesweep should have a 325 Dodge Poly 2-bbl with 245 hp. The '63 Monterey, should have a 390, but with only 250 hp, so I'd imagine a mild 2-bbl? I'm presuming that Merc-O-Matic was a 3-speed automatic. So, 6 years into the future, it looks to me like the buyer's actually getting a nicer car, for about $300 less.
I think it was 1967, that prices started creeping back up again. At least, I remember doing a quick look, and a 57 New Yorker and a '67 New Yorker both started around $4200. It is interesting though, how much of that "better car", "more prestigious car", etc, was really just marketing sleight-of-hand.
I started hanging around our local Chevy dealer in earnest, around 1970 or 71. Where I really noticed prices going up significantly was in the late seventies. Our '77 Impala coupe didn't have as many options as our '74 did, but was $5,503 on the sticker versus $4,408 of the '74. I never saw a full-size Chevy hit ten grand until I saw a '79 Caprice Classic sedan that was full-tilt.