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driver100 · November 27

jmonroe1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

I don’t think I’ve ever been in a dealership long enough to see what amenities they have. The Kia dealer had a coffee bar of some kind and I don’t remember seeing anything at Ford. Not that it mattered because I can’t think of anything that would make me want to hang around. I hand them the keys and jump in my ride home.

Maybe if they had steak and lobster but otherwise no.

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At my Genny dealer you have your choice of steak OR lobster but not both.

jmonroe

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

Michaell · November 27

28firefighter said:
There is always a chance, but my guess is it’ll be AWD. Realistically? I’ve gone across the pass with a front wheel drive car on decent all seasons and it’s fine as long as you follow the warnings and chain up if required.

It started snowing on the passes this week so they should ask about whether they have chains available, though I doubt they’d actually need them.

Beautiful time of year out that way! There is an amazing spa lodge out there called Posthotel that is so cool this time of year.

Thanks for the info.

Would chains be provided? My sister asked that question last night, and I had no idea. I've never had them available on any car I've rented over the years.

Michaell · November 27

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:
I need some help from the WA contingent

My sister and BIL are flying to Seattle next week and driving to someplace called Leavenworth - 2.5 hours away.

They have an SUV reserved; any chance this will NOT be AWD? I’m thinking not, but wanted to ask. Remember, they both are CA natives with little experience driving in winter weather.
Why not call the rental agency and ask them? We rent a lot of FWD cars and SUVs even up here in the snow belt. I believe if you call ahead they can try to accommodate you.

I'll have them do that - thanks for the tip!

28firefighter · November 27

@Michaell said:
Thanks for the info.

Would chains be provided? My sister asked that question last night, and I had no idea. I've never had them available on any car I've rented over the years.

I’m actually not sure about that but worth asking. Again, it’s so early in the season I truly doubt you’d need them.

imidazol97 · November 27

Wishing a joyous Thanksgiving to everyone.

jmonroe1 · November 27

@imidazol97 said:
Wishing a joyous Thanksgiving to everyone.

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Same to you and the rest of yinz.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · November 27

@driver100 said:
It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

explorerx4 · November 27

Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating it and Happy Thrusday to the rest.

driver100 · November 27

explorerx4 said:
Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating it and Happy Thrusday to the rest.

I celebrate 2 Thanksgivings, the one in Canada that was on October 13th, and the one today when I am in Florida. I am walking over to my neighbors (I spelled it neighbours the first time) to celebrate!

driver100 · November 27

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

Your car is 10 years old and you have 14000 miles on it, that's like 1400 miles a year, 125 miles a month 30 miles a week,........have you ever heard of Uber!

xwesx · November 27

28firefighter said:
There is always a chance, but my guess is it’ll be AWD. Realistically? I’ve gone across the pass with a front wheel drive car on decent all seasons and it’s fine as long as you follow the warnings and chain up if required.

It started snowing on the passes this week so they should ask about whether they have chains available, though I doubt they’d actually need them.

Beautiful time of year out that way! There is an amazing spa lodge out there called Posthotel that is so cool this time of year.

Yes, and extra points if they take Highway 2 over the mountains to Leavenworth rather than the more common I90 route. It is certainly the more scenic option if they are fortunate enough to make the drive during daylight hours!

Leavenworth looks like a neat place. I've only driven through a couple of times, but it has a Bavarian theme to the whole town (or, at least, the whole downtown area), and it is particularly beautiful at night during this time of year.

xwesx · November 27

Michaell said:

Thanks for the info.

Would chains be provided? My sister asked that question last night, and I had no idea. I've never had them available on any car I've rented over the years.

I think I can safely estimate that the chances of that are exactly ZERO. The best she might get is a window scraper / snowbrush combination. The good news is that WA DOT does a great job of maintaining those roads, so there is little chance of drama unless some yahoo caused a small pileup, because WA is super-trigger-happy about closing the roads for that sort of thing. My first time on 2 (that I can recall) was due to that very scenario on I90... after spending about an hour stranded on the road before finally being able to make my way to an exit, back-track to 97, and then work my way around.

Michaell · November 27

xwesx said:

28firefighter said:
There is always a chance, but my guess is it’ll be AWD. Realistically? I’ve gone across the pass with a front wheel drive car on decent all seasons and it’s fine as long as you follow the warnings and chain up if required.

It started snowing on the passes this week so they should ask about whether they have chains available, though I doubt they’d actually need them.

Beautiful time of year out that way! There is an amazing spa lodge out there called Posthotel that is so cool this time of year.

Yes, and extra points if they take Highway 2 over the mountains to Leavenworth rather than the more common I90 route. It is certainly the more scenic option if they are fortunate enough to make the drive during daylight hours!

Leavenworth looks like a neat place. I've only driven through a couple of times, but it has a Bavarian theme to the whole town (or, at least, the whole downtown area), and it is particularly beautiful at night during this time of year.

It is my understanding that my nephew's girlfriends family visit Leavenworth each December specifically to see the decorations. This trip will be special because a certain question is going to be asked, which is why my sister and BIL are going.

oldfarmer50 · November 28

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

Your car is 10 years old and you have 14000 miles on it, that's like 1400 miles a year, 125 miles a month 30 miles a week,........have you ever heard of Uber!

I only have 19k on my Mustang. Same year as Jmonroe’s Genny.

stickguy · November 28

That makes us look like road warriors. 29k in 5 3/4 years and 11k in 2.5

fintail · November 28

Michaell said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:
I need some help from the WA contingent

My sister and BIL are flying to Seattle next week and driving to someplace called Leavenworth - 2.5 hours away.

They have an SUV reserved; any chance this will NOT be AWD? I’m thinking not, but wanted to ask. Remember, they both are CA natives with little experience driving in winter weather.
Why not call the rental agency and ask them? We rent a lot of FWD cars and SUVs even up here in the snow belt. I believe if you call ahead they can try to accommodate you.
I'll have them do that - thanks for the tip!

There's an apparently little known recent regulation that requires the carrying of chains for WA pass travel in winter. Not sure if it has ever been enforced, however.

By the weather models we appear to be heading into yet another warm spell, maybe presaging another disappointing winter (in terms of cold and snow - last year we got about half of normal), if they are doing this in the next week or two there's a good chance the drive won't be bad.

Michaell · November 28

I think they are flying up the middle of next week.

driver100 · November 28

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

Your car is 10 years old and you have 14000 miles on it, that's like 1400 miles a year, 125 miles a month 30 miles a week,........have you ever heard of Uber!

I only have 19k on my Mustang. Same year as Jmonroe’s Genny.

What I have learned is that your car won't be worth much more than one with 80000 miles on it.
My 2014 C250 is worth about $6800 if I sell it to one of those "We Buy Cars" sites and it has 48000 miles on it...it looks and drives like a new car. I am pretty sure I can get $11000 for it privately.
If I sold it to "We Buy Cars" I'd get $6800, and then I'd have to spend $16000 to $20000 to get a car that would be as good as the C250.

corvette · November 28

driver100 said:
If I sold it to "We Buy Cars" I'd get $6800, and then I'd have to spend $16000 to $20000 to get a car that would be as good as the C250.

That sounds like an expensive way to get a backup camera.

benjaminh · 3:38AM

A video a couple of days ago by the car care nut had an interesting discussion about when to let go of a car. In contrast to a few of his videos suggesting things like how to keep your Toyota until 300k, this one was about figuring out when switch to a new car in a sensible way even if your current car has been good to you.

His main advice was to try to come up with a plan for how long you're going to keep your car, or even just to realize that when you get a diagnosis for thousands in repairs that maybe you're getting a message that it's time to move on. This was advice pitched not to chronic car buyers like most of us, but for people who might try to hang on to their cars past the point when it made sense.

My 2018 Acura TLX is now at seven and a half years and 93k. Even going beyond the maintenance minder and having all services done at the dealer total costs there are at $2700, compared to the estimate from Edmunds that even the first five years of owning a TLX will have an average maintenance cost of around $6k.

But now I'm approaching all of the things for the 100k or so service, although for some of those I'm going to wait till the maintenance minder actually tells me something should be done. Although I've had all services done by the only Acura dealer in town, for things like the $525 valve adjustment I might get a quote from a local Honda dealer, one of which has 15% off labor costs for cars over 100k...Valve adjustment as far as I can tell is all labor and no parts.

Things cost less in Louisville than many places, but even here a $50 oil change at this point seems low, although I realize its their loss leader to get you in.

ab348 · 5:01AM

Ben, might want to consider deleting that picture to remove your full name and address from the bottom.

oldfarmer50 · 5:26AM

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

Your car is 10 years old and you have 14000 miles on it, that's like 1400 miles a year, 125 miles a month 30 miles a week,........have you ever heard of Uber!
I only have 19k on my Mustang. Same year as Jmonroe’s Genny.

What I have learned is that your car won't be worth much more than one with 80000 miles on it.
My 2014 C250 is worth about $6800 if I sell it to one of those "We Buy Cars" sites and it has 48000 miles on it...it looks and drives like a new car. I am pretty sure I can get $11000 for it privately.
If I sold it to "We Buy Cars" I'd get $6800, and then I'd have to spend $16000 to $20000 to get a car that would be as good as the C250.

Carvana was offering me $26,800 for the Mustang going into winter, an increase of $2800 from last month. I said if they wanted to give me that much and save me the trouble of storing it, why not. I started the “official” offer process and suddenly the price dropped to $22,000. What an insult.

Why lead you on with a high offer and then low ball you?

nyccarguy · 6:00AM

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

It's time for you to get a new Genesis. I hear that these days they come and pick up your car, and leave you with a loaner while they work on your car!

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Way too low of miles to get rid of it, less than 14K miles. Doing that would never let me know how good their soup is. Further, I don’t want to spoil myself by having someone come and getting my car. And another thing, I can’t get a V8 again, I wouldn’t know how to act if I got 20 MPG or more.

jmonroe

Your car is 10 years old and you have 14000 miles on it, that's like 1400 miles a year, 125 miles a month 30 miles a week,........have you ever heard of Uber!
I only have 19k on my Mustang. Same year as Jmonroe’s Genny.

What I have learned is that your car won't be worth much more than one with 80000 miles on it.
My 2014 C250 is worth about $6800 if I sell it to one of those "We Buy Cars" sites and it has 48000 miles on it...it looks and drives like a new car. I am pretty sure I can get $11000 for it privately.
If I sold it to "We Buy Cars" I'd get $6800, and then I'd have to spend $16000 to $20000 to get a car that would be as good as the C250.

Yes and no. It is just a matter of how easy is it to sell? A 10 year old car that's in fantastic shape (like I'm sure your C250 is) with lower than average mileage might not be worth that much more on a trade in compared to a higher mileage example from the same year, but that's the car you will be able to get a lot more from when selling privately.

The market for @oldfarmer50 's 10 year old Mustang GT is far different than that of your C250. In addition to mileage and condition, buyer's are looking for light to zero modifications. There's going to be SOMEONE out there looking for his exact car, color, options, just because it is a performance car.

kyfdx · 6:03AM

I'm certain that my '07 Cayman is worth at least $10K more than I paid for it, just 2.5 years ago...

stickguy · 6:16AM

the 100K major service is a logical decision point. Your TLX could easily be just as nice and reliable for another 100K if you do that work, along with keeping on top of all the fluid changes that you have been. So do that math of what you could sell it for and what you would have to pay for a new one to replace it.

I also factor in the car (a solid non-turbo powertrain known for durability and relative simplicity vs. something complicated and known for expensive failures like a turbo) and the other biggie, did you just ignore everything for 100k (occasional oil changes and that is it), or did you over maintain it?

Oh, and of course, do you still like it enough after 7 years (forget about mileage) to want to live with it another 7!

benjaminh · 6:55AM

stickguy said:
...and the other biggie, did you just ignore everything for 100k (occasional oil changes and that is it), or did you over maintain it? Oh, and of course, do you still like it enough after 7 years (forget about mileage) to want to live with it another 7!

Overall I've somewhat over-maintained it. Honda like Subaru only calls for changing the trans fluid after 10y years/100k, but I did it at 4 years and 47k, and plan to do it again at my next service of 8 years 95k. I'm also planning on doing the radiator fluid early.

I still love driving the TLX, and there's nothing wrong with it. Can't get an Acura with four-wheel steering these days. Maybe Porsche still has that? Nimble handling and fast for me acceleration, which is as fast or faster than the BMWs I wanted back in the 90s. My 2018 is also the first year to have two important things--AndroidAuto/Carplay and adaptive cruise control, both of which I use a lot.

But after many years of my Acura being our most luxurious car, I have to admit my wife's Outback has a more comfortable and quieter ride. I like the awd when it snows and even when there's heavy rain + station wagon practicality. One of our old TVs recently died, and we could easily fit the new 65" Sony box in the back with room to spare.

Since we have 2.9 years more of car payments at 0.9% for her car I'm going to try keep my TLX at least until then. And even then I doubt I'll find something I like as much. But might start looking at options then.

nyccarguy · 6:57AM

@benjaminh

There's your answer: I still love driving the TLX

benjaminh · 7:03AM

But my own experiences + this google review have made me wonder whether I should keep going to the Acura dealer for service. I think they've done good work on my car, and I do like their comfortable and quiet waiting room and snacks, but the upsell is steady, and now this report of someone they seemingly attempted to deceive when it came to a cabin filter.

Michaell · 7:33AM

benjaminh said:
A video a couple of days ago by the car care nut had an interesting discussion about when to let go of a car. In contrast to a few of his videos suggesting things like how to keep your Toyota until 300k, this one was about figuring out when switch to a new car in a sensible way even if your current car has been good to you.

His main advice was to try to come up with a plan for how long you're going to keep your car, or even just to realize that when you get a diagnosis for thousands in repairs that maybe you're getting a message that it's time to move on. This was advice pitched not to chronic car buyers like most of us, but for people who might try to hang on to their cars past the point when it made sense.

My 2018 Acura TLX is now at seven and a half years and 93k. Even going beyond the maintenance minder and having all services done at the dealer total costs there are at $2700, compared to the estimate from Edmunds that even the first five years of owning a TLX will have an average maintenance cost of around $6k.

But now I'm approaching all of the things for the 100k or so service, although for some of those I'm going to wait till the maintenance minder actually tells me something should be done. Although I've had all services done by the only Acura dealer in town, for things like the $525 valve adjustment I might get a quote from a local Honda dealer, one of which has 15% off labor costs for cars over 100k...Valve adjustment as far as I can tell is all labor and no parts.

Things cost less in Louisville than many places, but even here a $50 oil change at this point seems low, although I realize its their loss leader to get you in.

Any chance you have a link?

I’m getting to the same place with the Outback. Almost 11 years old with just shy of 80,000 miles. Nothing really wrong with it, but I’m starting to think about replacing in in a year or two. Perhaps before 100k, when the trade value drops.

Like you, not sure what I’d replace it with. I don’t know that I still need an SUV, and I’ve always been partial to sedans.

Gas or hybrid or PHEV?
FWD or AWD?
New, CPO, or used?

So many choices.

benjaminh · 7:37AM

Michaell said:

Any chance you have a link?

I’m getting to the same place with the Outback. Almost 11 years old with just shy of 80,000 miles....

As I'm sure you know some really appreciate your 6-cylinder Outback. Probably your Subaru dealer would give you top dollar for a trade-in. But keeping it a few more years might make sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poZilb-cOOY&t=387s

Michaell · 7:48AM

benjaminh said:

Michaell said:

Any chance you have a link?

I’m getting to the same place with the Outback. Almost 11 years old with just shy of 80,000 miles....
As I'm sure you know some really appreciate your 6-cylinder Outback. Probably your Subaru dealer would give you top dollar for a trade-in. But keeping it a few more years might make sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poZilb-cOOY&t=387s

Boy, I really struggle with the validity of the content when the main screen has an obvious grammatical error in it.

"An"?

I'm not sure what it's worth - probably around $10K, give or take.

benjaminh · 7:52AM

Car Care Nut is not a native speaker of English. His malapropisms are amusing for some people, like me, but might be annoying for others.

But he was a Toyota master tech for several years, and has owned his own successful car maintenance and repair shop for several years.

benjaminh · 7:55AM

Maybe for amusement value you might try out the trade-in estimator/offer from Edmunds? I found it interesting. The value of my TLX to me was higher than the trade-in value.

https://www.edmunds.com/appraisal/

laurasdada · 7:57AM

Hope y'all had a wonderful Thanksgiving family day!
Very nice here, other than the MIL making her usual thoughtless and hurtful comments to my brilliant, caring, thoughtful and sensitive wife.
Narcissism, fear, paranoia and jealousy are not a cocktail for joy.

suydam · 8:10AM

We reached the selling point when we discovered that our ‘14 Buick Encore would need some major work soon. Up to that point it had cost us very little. But it seemed foolish to throw a couple of thousand $$ on a car worth maybe $6,000? Newer technology had really passed it by. The Sportage is a pretty good replacement. A little bigger and a LOT more advanced.

ab348 · 10:42AM

Interesting discussion on when to pull the rip cord. When I was at lunch with my buddies on Thursday we had a similar discussion.

My Caddy has about 18000 miles and is a 2017 model. It has had zero issues and at the oil change earlier this week the dealer could find nothing wrong that they recommended addressing. Our discussion had quick agreement that I should keep it until something expensive occurs, and I agree.

Another of our group is in a different situation. He bought a 2007 S-class Benz around 2011 or so. It still looks brand new, but unsurprisingly it is now asking for some expensive repairs, most notably to the air suspension. He threw out a number of $6000 for that. I think it has around 60,000 miles on the clock. I suspect this will not be its only expensive repair bill. Unfortunately his current financial situation means he really cannot afford to replace it, but even doing all the suggested repairs will be a challenge.

Then there is my friend who moved up-country. He has so many vehicles that many get very little use. Aside from the stable of ‘60s/‘70s restored classics (5 of those), he has an ‘86 Regal Grand National that never gets driven (recently having dealt with an expensive nightmare with its oddball brake system), 2 pickup trucks, and a 2012 Regal GS 5-speed. The latter used to be his main car until be bought the GMC Canyon, his second (the first was traded in on #2).

I guess we all make decisions that eventually give us difficult decisions. Can’t win every time I suppose.

corvette · 11:54AM

@ab348 - the air suspension is what sent my former boss' Audi A8 out to pasture. One side had collapsed. I think it was "only" $3-4,000 to fix, but also, the other side would likely give out soon, so it was time to pull the trigger.

benjaminh · 12:32PM

Michaell said:
...I don’t know that I still need an SUV, and I’ve always been partial to sedans.
Gas or hybrid or PHEV?
FWD or AWD?
New, CPO, or used?
So many choices.

With the snow in Colorado awd seems a good way to go. Your previous thought about eventually getting a Camry hybrid sounds wise.

A Camry is what I think I'd get if I traded in my TLX, although I'd save $10k off of a loaded XSE or XLE by getting a nicely optioned LE. In terms of function and comfort and performance it's the same car, and I actually prefer cloth seats to leather anyway. In contrast to past generations the Camry seems to have handling that's just as good as an Accord. It would save me almost a thousand a year to go from around 30 mpg to about 50, in part bc I'd no longer need to fill-up with premium. Nice benefit, but still not worth it unless I run into major problems with my TLX. I prefer a new car if that's within reason, because then you know how it's been driven and maintained. From looking at carfax data sometimes maintenance info is sketchy even with cpo. Did they go 20k without an oil change, or did they just go to a shop that didn't report to carfax? My guess is that it's usually the former.

But I also like a good deal. If 0.9% financing and thousands off of list is available for something like a Subaru, and that saves me $8k or whatever off of a Camry, might go with that. I dislike paying msrp or higher, which is what Toyota dealers can often command these days, and their loans are usually around 5%.

jmonroe1 · 12:51PM

@corvette said:
@ab348 - the air suspension is what sent my former boss' Audi A8 out to pasture. One side had collapsed. I think it was "only" $3-4,000 to fix, but also, the other side would likely give out soon, so it was time to pull the trigger.

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Just the sound of air suspension conjures up the thought of a problem waiting to happen. What’s wrong with doing it the old fashioned way, like sitting on an inner tube but I guess those things are hard to come by these days.

jmonroe

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