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2000 Integra Type R vs. 2000 Celica GTS
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I am looking to buy a new car. I REALLY like the
new celica gts, but I also love the type r. I know
acura didn't produce the type r in 1999, but as I
have heard, they will bring it back in 2000. can
anyone tell me if, indeed, there will be any type
r's for 2000, and if so which car would be better
to buy? thanks for any responses.
new celica gts, but I also love the type r. I know
acura didn't produce the type r in 1999, but as I
have heard, they will bring it back in 2000. can
anyone tell me if, indeed, there will be any type
r's for 2000, and if so which car would be better
to buy? thanks for any responses.
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Type R. Spend $1000 on GS-R handling, and apart
from top end punch, it'll be as good as Type R,
plus you save a few grand. Celica GT-S is quite
comparable, and a good bit safer too. Only, I have
a problem with buying a brand new car while the
TSBs (www.alldata.com) are still being worked out
in the first 12-18 months of its sales.
the ITR was build for the track, the GTS is a fast car but more for the road. its just depends what your looking for in your car. if you are performance oriented, the ITR is with out a DOUBT the choice.
You should try calling all the dealers in your area, and place an order with the one that will let you pay sticker.
I placed my order 4 months before they arrived to get my '98 ITR and paid sticker with floormats for free. By the way, some people will argue that the car is worth that much, since you're getting the best handling FWD car ever made!
Never driven one, but from all the magazine reviews I've read (Europe and here, fyi, Integra is sold as only as Type-R in Europe), ITR has been heralded as the best FWD handler, and IT IS a sports car. If skidpads interest you, I've seen 0.88g-0.92g on ITR test results. and slalom (ofcourse depends on whether 600 or 700 feet), of over 68 mph, braking is also its strong point (huge discs), 60-0 is usually in the 120 ft range.
BTW, just read an SCCA article (C&D online). ITR has been dominating the touring class in recent years, and even on drag races, it has disappointed I-6 bimmer drivers!
I guess you have to drive one but none of the Type R owners that have posted on the web had complaints about the ride.
Speaking of tires (GTS vs GS-R), I used Dunlop D40M2 205/50/15's on my last car, Integra LS, and the handling improved dramatically. So, tires make a big difference.
I saw many GS-Rs run high 14's with exhaust, intake, ingnition, plugs, wires, and the interior riped out. And I am not sure but I was told on another message board that the skid pad tests were .89-.91 right on with the Type-R's. Sounds very comparable! The Celica has always been a top handler ask any one that knows there stuff. But you gotta expect a .86 skidpad with a shorter wheelbase and heavier car on the 94-99 celicas. So naturally you drop 200 lbs. And lenghten the wheelbase, and some sticker stock rubber your gonna have a hell of a skidpad rating compared to the old one.
So you better check your sheets before you try to pull one over on me! I do my homework! And I doubt very seriously if the GSR beats the Celica in 5-60 or 30-70 if its 0-60 time is 7.2 to the Celica's 6.6. Thats a big difference!
I mentioned all the car magazines that I got my info from and used it as a reference point.
Motortrend got 14.8s in the 1/4 with the Type-R.
(you can also look at Honda's drag race avi videos in www.vtec.net and you 'll see 14.7s)
Again, I 've never seen any sub 15s #s on the Celica for the 1/4 mi. I haven't even seen a 15 flat or 15.1 or anything close to 15s. So the Celica loses the 1/4 mi. test.
2nd: The Celica loses in the skidpad test and the slalom tests. Look them up in C&D, M/T and SCC.
0-60 - Let's say they 're even..
You people are forgetting one very important thing. The Type-R comes with 15" wheels and 195-55 size tires!!! and it still kicks the Celica's butt in skidpad & slalom. If you put the Celica's 16" wheels & 225-50 (or 205-50?) tires on a Type-R, imagine how much better the ITR will be!
The 2 cars are definitely not the same. One is better than the other and that happens to be the ITR.
My brother owns a '98 Type-R and I 'll race you anytime, stock to stock. Hek, I 'll race you with my GSR after I put the 22mm rear sway bar on.
With bigger antiroll bars and 16" wheels, Sport Compact car got .91g with a GSR.
Anyway, with the 2001 Integras around the corner, I don't think we 'll see another topic like this for a long time starting around next September..
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Larry D
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2000 Celica GT-S, sorry about that..
Larry Dougherty
Larry D
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Count how many 14.7xx & 14.8xx answers you get and then come back to tell us. I think a few months ago when a guy posted that question, the slowest one was like 14.9s and they all have the time slips to prove it. Most of them even gave you their response times, 60ft, 300ft times etc.
A Celica GT-S owner in the Edmunds sports car topic a month or more ago said that he got a 14.98s best run with the seats taken out, spare tire out, etc. timing modifications, a home made cold air intake and slicks. That's not what I call stock. What was interesting is that he first started out stock at 15.6s (like C&D's 1/4) and then described the results of every run which got better with each modification (or reduction in weight). There were a couple of other mods which I can't remember either.
Also a Type-R with A/C weighs exactly 2600lbs.
A Celica 5sp w/sunroof (because almost all GT-Ss come with one), 16" wheels, ABS & spoiler weighs very close to that. So I really don't see the weight advantage.
If someone is getting 15.1s with their ITR it's probably because their not a very good driver.
I still can't find any road tests of the Celica even matching a 15.1s best run.. which would be an ITR's slowest run with an average driver.
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If it was a Type-R, the guy was not racing.
Sounds like you only raced up to about 45-50mph or so anyway. If you gave up the race at 6800rpm in 2nd gear, that means you didn't even reach the National speed limit. Do you actually call that a race? LOL I can see maybe a minimum of 60-70mph but 50? give me a break! and how come you said you would 've won the race when you were behind him? how do you know?
So I assume this race did not start at the light side by side with both of you stopped? Sounds like you don't have too much experience racing or are not too clear of the definition of racing.
Let me give you an example: I own a '99 GSR and have raced against my brother's '98 Type-R numerous times (and I always lose). One that comes to mind is when we were at the light around 11pm at night side by side.. Light turns green I launched first and had the best launch of my life (My brother was talking to me from his car and didn't see the light turn green in time..) At 40-50 I was 2 car lengths ahead of the ITR. By 60-70mph he was next to me and by 90mph (1/4 mi.speed) he was at least 4 car lengths ahead of me and pulling away. Now that's a race.
The Type-R's 3d gear has tremendous power and its 4th gear is like the GSR's 3d. In this particular race I launched about a 1sec. sooner than the ITR did, and still ended up seeing his tail lights starting at about 70mph.
The GSR is a 7.1-2s 0-60 car and 15.6s 1/4 mi. and still got killed by the ITR with a 1 second head start..
2 questions Larry: Do you have an auto GT-S or 6sp? what color was the Type-R?
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By the way, for those that don't know, the ITR won again this year in the GT touring class against BMW's 328, Miatas etc.
The Touring class is BMW 328, Ford Contour SVT, Mercedes 280 and other 6 cyl cars.
I guess I should have clarified it.. First off my car is a 6speed GTS, the Type R was white.. I was leaving work sitting at a light behind a Type R, NOT GSR, we had toyed with each other up to the light but nothing big.. The light turned green. We both took off, he got a large jump on me because I do not drive 6 speed.. This is my first manual car.. Anyhow.. I get the car going
and run 1st gear and then 2nd gear up to 63 mph, thanks.. not 50.. anyhow.. The limiter kicked in and he turned at the next light.. so that was the end of that.. I do know what a race is, I do it all the time.. But this time i was toying around with another car.. just letting you know that the Type R will not walk away from my car like you think it would.. I was not cutting down at all on the Type R, I like them myself, but the GTS does deserve its repsect in that it can/will run side by side with a Type R.. One day I will find another one and we will do the real thing.. none of this light to light bs where Im behind him.. Another thing you need to realize.. The GT-S best time to date according to MT i believe was 15.2 in the 1/4.. This was on a brand new non broken in Celica, give it a couple thousand miles and it will be breaking the 15's in 14.9 etc.. Stock.. And my car will not be stock long anyhow..
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road test. 0-60 in 6.2s!!!!! 1/4 mi. 14.8s.
Beat those #s.
Enough said about that.
As far as Mustang GTs, I 've pulled on pre-98 models too with my '99 GSR. The Type-R would destroy them.
The GSR with exhaust and cold air intake does the 1/4 in an average of 15.2s Everybody knows that.
15.6s is what the car does stock with no mods and that number has been consistent for years and recorded by all the big magazines year after year.
Look at the recent R&T comparison test in the Oct.
issue of '00 GT-S, '00 Eclipse & '99 Integra.
GSR - 15.6 again. GT-S = 15.4
What I like is that the GT-S did 0-60 in 6.8s and the GSR in 7.2s. That's a .4s difference.
The 1/4 mi. difference was only .2s which means the GSR started catching up to the Celica, he he
Anyway, you wanted to use the fastest times recorded, so you forced me to give you the 6.2s 0-60 test from R&T. I didn't really want to earlier but now I think is a good time :-)
And why is the GT-S $5K cheaper than the Type-R. '00 Type-R (with A/C) is $24.8K. The sticker on a stripped GT-S without ABS & spoiler (should be comparably equiped to compare prices) is $21.6K I think you need to brush up on your math..
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So actually The 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times are all but identical!!!!! No 14sec laps that you are talking about. Actually according to Mark the 2000 ITRs are slower (about 15.2-15.3)due to the OBDII emissions computers in them and the standard AC thats installed that added a good bit of weight! So if you wanted to get nitty gritty the 2000 GTS 1/4 times and 0-60 are faster than a 2000 ITR!!! The average skidpad test for the ITR is .91g according to Mark. And some rarely get a .92g depending where the test was held, conditions, car, etc etc. But .91 is still the Best for any front driver! That the ITR is rated a .1 or .2 higher than the GTS. The GTS has hit .90g but most read out .89 as being the norm. So I will say it is a .1 - .2g advantage for the ITR depending on the year 98 or 00 with 00 being heavier and less cablable of holding g's!!! VERY VERY COMPARABLE!!! Trust me you wouldn't notice the difference in just .1 or .2g's.
Both are very nice cars I enjoy watching Marks ITR move but other than the small visual cues its just another Integra ( one of the hundreds that must be in town!!). But I am sure it will be that way with the 2000 Celicas also! SUCKS! They are freaking selling like hotcakes on a Sunday morning. The dealership hasn't had a single car on the lot for over 36 hours they said unless it was over a Sunday. I had mine on order for 1 1/2 months before it came in. The average GTS they get on the lot is there for 6 hours!!!!!!! Mine sat at the dealership for 3 1/2 hours to get detailed before i took it!!! But anyway the last but most important factor is the price for the car itself! I got mine for 21,500 with 2,500 down so the total came to 24000 with taxs, title, tags. S-T-E-A-L!!!!! Mark got his 98 ITR for a whopping 29,000 with the taxes, title and tags!!! hmmmmmm I don't think anyone will go for that unless they didn't know about the celicas. Edmunds shows the total price to be close to 25,000 but the honda/acura dealers always mark it up b/c of the mimited amount. And why pay for a GSR when you can have a GTS for the same price. That is capable of ITR numbers out of the box!!!! Its thats simple! So I think my job here is pretty much done. Time to go out and roach some nay-sayers!!!
Motor Trend: "The payoff? Our six-speed GT-S ran 0-60 mph in 6.6 seconds and did the quarter mile in 15.2 ticks at 93.0 mph."
R/T: Once the tachometer needle sweeps past the 6000-rpm mark — precisely when VVTi-L kicks in — the sporty Toyota surges forward, pressing your upper torso into the bucket-type seat. The 7800-rpm redline comes in a flash, signaling you to slide the shifter into the next gear. Toyota claims that the Celica GT-S will run to 60 mph in 6.5 seconds.
hmmmm sounds very good! LOL Just got an email from a friend that used to own a GSR, and he told me that most Integra Type-R ("Real Slow) what he called them don't come down to play!
Then look at the June '97 R&T test and see the 6.2 and 14.8s. Also C&D got 14.8s for the 1/4 as well as. When you buy an ITR the dealers provides the C&D article along with it. M&T same thing. There was only 1 magazine that got 15.2s with an ITR and you keep mentioning that #.
Do you think it would be fair for me to mention old C&D's test results of 15.7 or the recent C&D's tests of 15.6? No I don't think you 'd like that. You pick the fastest one you can get. In ITR's case there is more than one magazine/test that resulted in 14.8.
Again, never seen the GT-S do the 1/4 in under 15.2 and that was only in one magazine!
I think we've beaten this subject to death and you just can't deal with the fact that the ITR is faster. At least the ITR did get sub 15s #s, the GT-S never has!!
The ITR with A/C is still 60lbs lighter than a GSR and 25hp more on a light car will do wonders.
Every one I know that has driven a GSR and went to test drive a GT-S said the cars feel like the accelerate the same, thus explaining the recent C&T comparison test where the GT-S got the same #s as the GSR - what a joke..
You keep talking about handling and again only mention the best # of .89g. Fine. May I remind you that the GT-S has 16" wheels and still loses to the ITR with 15x6" ones. Not only does the ITR have 15" but they 're 10mm narrower compared to the 205mm of the GT-S tires. Mount 16" wheels(which are also wider - at least 6.5" wide on GT-S?)on an ITR and watch it go .95g or higher. I wonder what the GT-S would get with 15" rims. .84-.85? That's what the GSR gets with some good ZR Dunlop or Pirellis on it with its 15" (see older SCC tests). Not much different "bro"!
So with comparable wheels the GT-S would be more inferior to the ITR's handling.
On the track the ITR would clean up in short order. The lack of Limited Slip on the Celica would cause its driver to only see the rear of the ITR for a few moments while it pulls away from the GT-S.
And .2 or .3s on the 1/4 mile means at least 2-3 car lengths. Go to www.acura.net and select Type-R videos (2mb AVIs). In one drag race the Type-R raced a Nissan Silvia with 210hp and it beat it by about .2s In this case the Type-R managed a 14.74 and the Silvia (JDM only) pulled a 14.9x.
The Nissan was more than 2 car lengths away. At 95mph a couple of tenths of a sec. means a few car lengths' distance. AT 60mph is a different story. .2s equates to less than a car's length.
Look noone said the Celica sucks or it's not a good car. It's just that you cannot say the 2 cars are the same because assuming all the best #s (from magazines) the 6.6s 0-60 (not counting the R&T June article of 6.2s for ITR) is the only thing I 've seen that matches the ITR. Skidpad, slalom and 1/4 miles are always a little higher on the ITR. So which one is the fastest & best handling car driven by equal drivers? Dah, the Type-R which won't be the king FWD sports car for long.
The 2001 ITR (and maybe GSR) will no doubt be improved and by then we wouldn't be having this conversation again until Toyota comes out with another version of the Celica..
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Anyone want to see 1/4mi. drag race videos of ITR with other cars I can always e-mail them to you..
And they 're all stock driven by amateur drivers who brought their own ITRs to the strip. But I warn (Celica owners)you the slowest trap times were 15.0s with 14.7 the fastest.
In one of the videos the ITR got killed by an older MR2 Turbo (naturally..). The MR2 pulled like a 13.9s and the ITR a 14.9. That 1 sec. was about 8-10 car lengths distance!
I will probably not post here anymore so go ahead and fantasize all you want.. And my name is not Harold Mr. Fly, eh Bly, that's why we have profiles..
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I autocross my ITR and have seen the couple of other ITR's that are in the area at about half the races. What I haven't seen is any Celica GT's or Preludes in the two seasons that I've raced. There's plenty of GSR's and Civics. I would like to see the '00 Celica race this coming season. I like competition- may the best driver win!
Do you think a 16yr old can afford a '97, '98 & '99 car? And do you know a lot of people barely old to own a licence that are married? I 'm in my 30s and I bet you older than you are. I don't care about women's phone#s or people looking at my car. Every time my brother goes to the track with his ITR, there are people standing all around it all the time and some even take pictures of it. That doesn't mean anything to me. If that's what I wanted I 'd buy a used 911 or something and show off.. but I 'm not a show off like you or immature because that's what you sound like, sex appeal and all that crap.. What the hek is that all about? Cars don't make the man, and you 'll find that out as you mature and grow older.
Now back to the cars.. I hate to repeat myself but looks like all you Celica people suck in math. How is the ITR a whole second faster than the ITR in 0-60? The GSR always gets tested at 7.2s ('97 models & older were 6.9-7s due to OBDI computer). Now that's a .6s difference! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the ITR gains an extra .2s (15.6 vs 14.8) from 60-95mph.. Why is that so hard for you to understand? It's only natural that the ITR keeps pulling away after 60.
Now, I don't know if your ITR buddy is imaginary
because it sounds like he doesn't even know his car, or was it trdcelicagts that mentioned the ODBII? ALL ITRs have the ODBII chip so don't give me that crap about the '00 ITRs will be slower due to the "new OBDII.." ODBI chip was discontinued in all Integras in May of '97! ITRs came to the US in early June of '97.
Why are you asking me where I get my #s? Don't you even read car magazines? Motortrend, C&D, R&T and Sport Compact Car all got a 14.8s in the 1/4 with a USDM ITR.
Both '97 & '98 USDM ITRs put down 161-163hp at the wheels when dyno'd.
Everyone knows (except you & your buddies) the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) ITR puts down
3-4hp more at the wheels on the dyno! I 'd hardly call that "a lot more aggressive"..
So please don't talk to me about Integra specs & technicalities because I 've done a huge amount of research and participate in 3 Honda/Acura forums.
The only difference between a JDM ITR & USDM ITR is the 4-1 header vs the 4-2-1 in US ITR and the 1/2" wider exhaust in the JDM that results in
3.5-4hp more. That is why the JDM ITRs usually get 14.7s in the 1/4 and the US ones 14.8s.
But don't worry, there are plenty of GSRs that will give you a run for your money that do the 1/4 in 15.1-15.2s with just bolt-on mods (cold air intake/header/exhaust). You 'll run into some I 'm sure, give it some time. My friend (I haven't taken mine to the strip yet but I will) got a best of 15.28s with only a home-made intake (modified the stock one) with his GSR.
He had also lowered the air pressure in the tires to 22psi. The first time he went out he was getting 15.6's with no mods at all. 2nd time around with the modified intake his best run was 15.4x. 3d time at the strip he was really surprised when he started getting in the 15.2's. No exhaust, header, nothing. He just "bent" the air intake to suck in air from the side & back by the front of the passenger side like the ITR's intake does.
You 're also forgetting one very important thing.
The ITR's engine is built by hand unlike the mass produced GT-S. Mass produced engines vary from one another and that's a known fact. This explains the Celica's inconsistent 0-60 times. The ITRs are very consistent and C&D as well as SCC have said numerous times that Honda engines are the most consistent mass produced engines manufactured.
I think the story about the problematic Celica tested by C&D a month before its release to the US public is bull. Toyota has had years to perfect this car. Are you telling me that they finalized the proper fuel maps in the computer for the US in the last couple of weeks before production? I don't buy that for a minute. I think we will see great incosistencies in future tests just like the ones we 've seen so far ranging from 6.6 to 7.5
So why didn't Toyota supply a "more aggressive" Japanese GT-S but instead gave the magazine editors a sick puppy? Yeah right.
I 'm looking forward to some more road tests next year when there will be no excuses. I 'm told SCC will conduct a comparison test soon (as they usually do) with a sooped up GSR to match the Celica's HP & wheel/tire combo.
From past tests (and there were many) SCC's GSRs easily managed .87g with 16" wheels & tires (and .91+g with sports springs & shocks).
Oh, and feel free to visit www.honda-acura.net to see what people are doing the 1/4 in their ITRs.
Like I said before, they 've posted numerous 14.7 & 14.8s runs and they uploaded their timeslips to prove it (you can imbed jpegs in your posts there)
Two even posted their 0-60 times that they spend a lot of money to record professionally and to my amazement there were a few low to mid 6's!
They may 've burned their clutch after a few runs, who knows, but they claim their cars are stock. In any case, all the figures I use here I got from major car magazines and you can't argue with those or tell me I made them up.
I 'm hoping we 'll see some Celicas at the auto-x
events next year. They should be in the same class with the Integra, Prelude & VW VR6.
Better get your mods now because the 2001 tegs are not too far away..
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Unless your not telling us something, like gutted interior or something. If I told that time to anyone around here they would all laugh. And that is just from my experience with local Teggy owners not from what I think. Because I am staying out of this. All I am saying is you better watch for the time slips from the GTS's cause you might be very suprised!!! If we get some decent drivers behind them. Car Mags or not.
The ITR's weight is 97lbs lighter than the GSR which weighs 2670 - my NY registration says:
2601! which is the weight recorded by customs when the car entered the US in CA. That's why Acura didn't put a sunroof and cruise control on the ITR and made the engine lighter on top of that - to keep the weight down. When ITR came the big News was that the car is 100lbs lighter than the GSR & every magazine has mentioned it. Maybe you missed that little piece of information..
Ok, follow me now.. We 'll take the heavier weight 2670 minus 97 = 2573 which is almost exactly what was reported by magazines when the ITR came out.
When you add A/C to the ITR it goes up to roughly 2610lbs which is the heavier I 've seen it (I 've seen 2600lbs but I 'll use the bigger #s to appease you).
Now a STRIPPED Celica GT-S weighs 2500lbs. Last comparison test by R&T said 2560 but nicely loaded which makes sense.
Add ABS & spoiler to make it comparably equipped to the ITR and it goes up at least 30lbs. You should also know that over 90% of GT-Ss come with a sunroof which adds at least another 30lbs to the weight bringing the total up top at least 2560lbs!
I guarantee you the difference between the avg. GT-S and ITR w/A/C is less than 50lbs.
Now if you can find a stipped GT-S without a sunroff, spoiler or ABS you should be able to shave off .1s in the 1/4.
Remember I told you there were a couple of people in honda-acura.net forum that reported mid 14s with their stock ITRs? But I didn't insist on those #s even though they had the timeslips to go with them. I stuck with the 14.7-8 range because that's what all the mags reported (except 1 which was like 15s - forget which one).
I don't know JohnyboyR and never even had a conversation with him on Edmunds but here 's your proof since you wanted to see it from real people and not from magazine tests.
I also think that the GT-S once broken in and taken to the track with a good driver it could probably do 15 flat in the 1/4 or maybe better. I wouldn't be surprised. I never said it wasn't capable because I 've seen broken in GSRs completely stock do it in 15.4 (.2s less than the usual 15.6 reported by the usual mags)
Johnnyboyr: I never compared the GSR to the ITR and would never dare to do so. I though I mentioned that with I/H/E GSRs do the 1/4 in 15.1 or so. I never said they 're sub 15s. But with cam gears I 've seen them in the high 14s easy. They put down about 170-175hp at the wheels with bolt ons and some Spoon cam gears. I own a '99 GSR & my brother a '98 ITR (#78). The ITR is far superior to the GSR. I always look forward to driving his ITR and I 've raced him on 2-3 occasions at the light. Even when I got a head start one time (at least a full second) at the light because he didn't see the green light right away, he still caught up to me at around 70mph and was about 3-4 car lengths ahead of me at 90-95mph. How can I compare the two? I still got killed at the 1/4 with a head start! Not to mentioned I almost litterally got killed trying to keep up with him on twisty roads. He just pulls away and takes the turns like he is on railroad tracks and disappears while I 'm all over the road with my tires squealing like a pig trying to keep the GSR from going off the road.
No comparison.
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All kidding aside, I could 've had a sports/sporty car earlier. Believe me I 've had my share of hotrods before I got married. It was hard to convince my wife with a baby to let me get one. Now that my son has grown a little and my wife has her own sedan and my Civic is paid off I figure it was time to get a "toy". I wanted a fast 4cyl. car that would also get good mileage too and the GSR was the best choice.
6 months ago, I had no clue about the new Celica coming or about its specs and if I waited I would 've missed out on the $1K dealer incentive on the Integra which enabled me to get the car for $19.8K
- $450 under dealer invoice! I know people that paid $19K for their 140hp Integra LS! I think I got an excellent deal. ABS, leather, sunroof, all standard and the fastest 4cyl. (in the US)naturally aspirated mass produced car - at the time. It was summer time (June), the price was right and with that 8100rpm redline how could I refuse? Not to mention the GSR (along with the Mustang) has the most after market parts available to it..
I knew it was no Type-R but at least I saved $4-5K
Had I been in the market for a car in the Fall or winter, I 'd probably be looking at a GT-S but not till Jan/Feb. timeframe. The Celica is too hot and only now prices have started falling a little below MSRP - and that's on autos. It's very hard to find a 6sp.
You guys keep saying that the GT-S is thousands less than the ITR. If you go to the Sportcars/Coupes forum and look at the '00 Celica topic you 'll see dozens of people that paid
$24-25K for their loaded auto GT-S. Some even more. 69% of all Celicas (GT & GT-S) imported to the US are autos.
Chances are the GT-S next to me at the light will be an auto and will quickly see my taillights :-)
So far I 've seen one test conducted on a auto GT-S and the author said the 0-60 times were too embarassing to mention. Also anyone who test drove an auto said the car was sluggish. I think they 've done a great injustice to the GT-S to pair it up w/an auto tranny. But it's smart sales strategy and they 're selling because a lot of people want the auto and like the looks of the Celica. They don't care about accel.#s and all that. I 'm glad Toyota came out with a good car. It was long overdue and I 've always liked the older Celicas. My brother used to own a '90 GT.
Nice car, smooth engine, handled well (with 15x7" aftermarket alloys) and pretty reliable.
To me Toyotas have always been up there with Honda/Acura for quality & reliability.
I wouldn't care which one I owned and I 'm glad that their is a lot of Sports Coupe/hatchback competition now. Competition should keep prices down for a while (under $25K I hope). Sorry for the long note.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
geez, I need my 2nd cup of coffee!!!
imagegst: do you own an Eclipse GS-T? or a Type-R?
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
sunroof
wheels
spoiler
leather
alarm
ABS
floormats
for $22995
MSRP was $24639
I was pretty happy with the price although I'm sure some people are getting better deals than that already.
I'd also like to say that the Spectra Blue Mica is the coolest color that is available for the Celica in my opinion. Find a dealer that has one and check it out!
Did you look at GS-R before you got the GT-S? Except for 16" whelels, GS-R comes standard with all those "options" and Acura (TLC) advantage, better warranty, proven reliability and can be had for under $20K. GT-S is good car but not worth the premium. I couldn't justify the difference over GS-R and got 2000 Prelude last month (paid $21.6 K).
2. The Celica is faster than the GS-R according to all the magazine articles I saw.
3. Toyota makes the Supra.
4. I've seen Toyota reliability first-hand. My Dad had an '83 celica that lasted for 250k miles and still ran nearly perfectly when he sold it for $500.
5. My girlfriend has a '99 Integra GS so I wouldn't want to have a car that looked exactly like hers.
I like the competition between Toyota and Honda that seems to be starting though. I hope that in the near future we see some super powerful high-revving engines from both companies.
Heltor: Wow, toyota made the supra? Damnit, i need to go buy me a paseo right now!
sigh.
Dave-ROR