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I think this car would fit into the category of a large compact or a small midsize...I was impressed with the safety features however
Man, what a piece of art.. Good power and cruising capability not to mention sharp braking. Quite liked it, must say. But the Volvo salesman at Smythe, Bay Area, Calif tells me they are selling it at MSRP only, nothing below it. Wondering if this is true everywhere. Anybody around who got a lower price quote ?? Whats the pricing anyone has encountered so far ? Thanks
My husband and I tested the S40 this weekend and really liked it. The Audi has been #1 on our list for a long time and we were ready to put a deposit on a Y2K 2.8 model, but now we are second guessing our intentions because we are moving to Florida within the next two months and quattro won't be a factor, although I am a firm believer that quattro is just as capable in the dry weather as it is the inclemate weather.
My husband is definitely leaning towards the Audi, and I am 50/50 at this point. I definitely think the fit and finish on the Audi is better, and the Audi is sleeker looking, but the Volvo had a lot more oomph in the 4 cyl., probably because of the weight difference without being burden with the quattro.
Anyway, I think it is a great alternative to the BMW and Audi, and like you pointed out above, if you are going to go for the 1.8 Audi, it is definitely worth comparing these two cars. The Audi definitely has the performance edge.
I'll let ya'll know if I get anywhere with either dealership on price. If I have to wait out the initial popularity of the s40, I'm willing to do that.
She kept saying over and over that "this is a marketshare car" and "we aren't making a profit on this car - we are only getting $1,500". It is interesting that this is the second dealership where I have heard these exact words - it must be verbiage passed down from Corporate. What I find offensive as a consumer is how a salesperson can claim that a $1,500 profit = "no profit". And of course, that $1,500 markup is only on the base model, so they do make more if the buyer takes any options.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has heard a volvo salesperson make the same "$1,500 is no profit" remark.
The salespeople are correct that on a base car the difference between invoice and MSRP is about 1,500 (plus 1% holdback). Less then many other expensive cars.
If you add some "basic" options (moonroof, CD radio, Leather, P. seat), MSRP becomes $27,175 and invoice $25,049, about $2,100 difference, so they certainly have room to deal. Not quite an Accord beater anymore (although a V6 Accord EX with leather may not be much cheaper). Still cheaper than an Audi A4.
Actually, all cars are expensive. I loaded Oldsmobile Alero compact stickers for 22K!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
A compromise I believe would work is to offer MTX-equipped cars for the same price as ATXs. MTXs are cheaper to manufacture and this "one price" strategy would recover a lot of the certification cost. Those of us who require manual transmissions are willing to pay a reasonable cost to allow us to drive the only way we know how to really DRIVE.
AWD? No plans from Volvo for S40- the Winter tranny button, tracs control and FWD are great for snow.
I try to keep up on market trends and I am noticing a resurgence of interest in manual transmissions, especially among Gen-X/Y buyers. I'm 26 myself and took it upon myself to learn to drive a manual, even though I've never needed to drive one. There is a certain level of curiousity among young people about things nostalgic. No, I wouldn't want to drive a manual without modern-day synchronizers, but I want to experience what it is like to DRIVE. I find driving a manual transmission rather romantic, a reflection of more simpler times when highways were wide and open and the landscape uncluttered. Driving a manual gives you a better phsyical and mental connection to the automobile and the road. I have experienced periods of near-euphoria piloting my V6 Contour through twisty back roads, keeping the engine pegged near redline. But enough of this mystical ranting.
Enough of us demand more from a vehicle than just A-to-B travel. I find a manual transmission so essential to driving, I simply can't consider cars where auto is the only option. Volvo should want people like me. I fall into that upwardly-mobile young urban type (I refuse to use the term "yuppie": too 80s and too pretensious). That's basically who they are courting with the 40 series, right? You've seen the commercials. Now show me the proper transmission.
Volvo is considered a premium import make. They have to project a non-mainstream, non-another-off-the-assembly-line image. It might not make the best short-term business sense to certify a MTX-equipped S/V40. But in the interest of cultivating long-term customer relations, they've got to do it. Especially with all these A4 comparisons.
My hypothesis for the inability of Audi/BMW/Saab dealer to resell MTX cars is that MTX buyers want new cars, not used. If you drive stick in a luxury marque car, it is rather safe to say you are a driving enthuisiast. You like cars, you like driving them. I love automobiles and I always want to buy them brand new. No wear and tear from somebody else. Fresh mileage and full warranty coverage. It's a sense of pride, if it isn't the most fiscally prudent decision.
I also think that the resale values on European sport sedans is very high. I constantly see 30K A4s 1.8L/5spd units on the dealer market for $25000. Where's the depreciation? If I am going to buy a car with 30K (likely hard) miles, I want some kind of price relief. I might as well spend the $30000 to get the car brand new. Perhaps *I* am generalizing.
I realize this is starting to go off-topic and we discuss this stuff all the time in the "Stick Shift Sedans" topic.
I have a Driver's Edge credit card with some Ford credits. Since Volvo is owned by Ford can I use these credits to buy a S40A?
I had over $2000 of credits from my Ford Visa card before it was converted to a Driver's Edge card. I recently purchased a Volvo, and contacted Citibank to see if the credits could be applied towards the purchase of a Volvo. Their response was that because Volvo was purchased after the termination of the Ford Visa card, the credits could not be used on a Volvo.
If they give you a different story, please advise. Good Luck.
Further, regarding the comments that a S40 loaded is in the 27K range at MSRP and that Volvo won't deal down form MSRP, I would point out that if true, why not get a 9-3 sedan for 27K with a sunroof, manual, CD and maybe even leather for 28K. SAAB does deal and the base SAAB 9-3 has 185 HP, 209 Ft LBS of torque at low rpms and much much more room in the rear seat and truck/hatch. As for saftey, the 9-3 is at least as good as a Volvo s40. The only way the S40 is a deal under this cenario is as a base model without the extras. I looked at Audis before buying the SAAB. If you like the S40 engine, try the trionic 4 cylinder turbo in the 9-3 for a real rocket ride. Also the seats in the SAAB do offer lateral support. Despite all of this, I am interested in bbuying a S40 as second car.
I got silver(a premium color $400), leather/ sunroof/trim package, winter package, upgraded CD(not the whole touring package) CD and upgraded speakers only. No sports package. I live in Connecticut.
OTD = $27,937US this includes 6% sales tax.
I actually think I could have gotten a better deal, but didn't have the energy to put into it.
I believe the MFSR on my car is about 27275 including destination charges. However, I let them charge me for the advertising and I've never paid the $180 conveyance fee before in my life, but this time i let them ad both of these charges on top.
Clearly we negotiated a bit. Assuming my sales rep is honest the dealer makes $1,800 on the car from the start. We started off by spliting that amount and then I payed a couple hundred less than MSRP for each of the packages and/or individual options. Like I said, I let him gross it back up w/advertising and conveyance fee. All in all I feel fine w/my deal. I thought it would help for all of you to have some actual numbers to work with. Best wishes.
As a mention, I also got my $500 worth of accessories for free in line w/the current promotion.
dinas, what did you mean by waiting for crash test results to see how the molding holds up? Are you implying that molding is a safety item? As far as I know, none of the testing organizations looks at how molding should hold up as the result of a crash. Am I missing something?
Either way, for what it's worth, the S40 has stellar crash test results. It's the only car in the Euro NCAP crash testing (much more comprehensive than what we do here in the U.S.) to score 4 stars (they conducted the tests over a year ago I believe) in frontal and side impacts in it's class (the Audi A4, Mercedes C-class,Saab, and BMW 3 series, E36 series, scored 2 stars). When you consider it's class I think you will find that the test results speak well for the S40.
not exceed one percent of the vehicle's MSRP. Because advertising is a cost of doing business, you should only pay an advertising fee if the deal you've struck on the car
is a minimum profit deal for the dealer."
If that was what you meant, I appologize.
#73: I doubt the build quality will increase. The car has been in manufacturing since 1995 or so. The only thing that seems to be added for the US market are two additional cupholders. In Sweden the V40 starts at under 19K with a 100hp engine, so the interior is probably not intended to match the "near-luxury" cars.
However, you do get an excellent engine, engineering and the Volvo safety for the US price so I guess it is a choice everyone has to make for themselves.
#79: The Mitsubishi turbos that have been in Volvos the last few years have an excellent reputation for durability.
-Thomas
Interesting....
I do like the car though - it was a blast to drive.
BY the way, every day my s40 gets better and better.
noticed that they have added the S40 to the
European Delivery program! This means the S40 can
be had for as low as $21,400 delivered. This is a
phenomenal price as it includes round-trip airfare,first night hotel charge, shipping, etc.
-rdo
russell.ollie@ibm.net
#86: A reason they might not be willing to deal; it is a brand new car model in this market so I bet they think they can get a lot of people who want to be different from their neighbours and are willing to pay for it.
Also, I'm not sure it is completely relevant, but it is interesting nonetheless: the Audi A4 and the S40 have almost the same invoice price, but the Volvo is 1000 dollars cheaper. It's not entirely clear to me what the reason for this is, either Volvo is pocketing more money than Audi, or Audi thinks the dealers should get a bigger cut of the sales.
-Thomas
Re: S40 driving experience. I test-drove the car (at the end of August) and agree that the ride is great and that the power is quite adequate. I also think the styling is really attractive, especially with the sports package, which adds the side-skirts akin to the BMWs'. And in all honesty, I think it's a *great* value even if there is little budge room on the MSRP. I did wish, however, that the sports package actually added performance upgrade factors instead of just aesthetics, and that it was offered with a manual transmission. I also found the handling to be on the soft side. That's just me, though, since I'm used to, and now look for, more performance-oriented cars. Just MHO.
Carl
From my experience, I assume that the trunk is locked whenever I lock the car. I've only opened the trunk when the car doors were unlocked. Maybe this simple approach has allowed me to experience problem free trunk lock issues.
I've had this car for over two weeks now. I commute over 300 miles per week to work. To date, this car has improved my commute tremendously. I've only seen one other one on the road.
However, I have to say, if you feel the need to have very efficient and simple to operate cup holders - I'd buy a different car. This car is clearly not for you. If you can go beyond that issue, and accept an automatic transmission I think you're on the right track.
for the year 2001. This is what is gathered at their "spy website".
The S40/V40 range is due to be replaced in 2001 with a car based on the new P1X platform. The current S40/V40 is built at NedCar in Born, the Netherlands, and shares its structure and factory with the Mitsubishi Carisma. The Ford purchase of Volvo is understood to have come too late to change the plans for the next S40/V40.
The next V40 will be called V50 because Volvo will start naming the sedans S and then an even number and the station wagons V and then an odd number.
Here is the website:
http://drive.to/volvospy
Just scroll down to -- Volvo Spy Pictures --
and click on Volvo S40/V40. You might wanna check out all the other future cars there too!
S70/V70 Replaced by S60/V70.
S90/V90 Replaced by S80/V90.
Volvo SUV.
* What they mean by replacing for the S40/V40 is changeing the interior and some other minor things including the name of the V40.
* This is the last year to get the S70(brick model). It will be replaced by the S60. The V70
will be redesigned.
* They have already replaced the S90 with the S80. The V90 will also be redesigned.
* SUV, that might be a while before it comes out.
Beyond that, I was told that if I was set on buying a Saab to stick to the turbo I4. It is pretty much the only thing left that isn't an Opel/GM component.
As for ownership, I think that GM owns 50% of Saab. I could be wrong. I personally believe that this wouldn't be a problem if they were using American components. Unfortunately, they utilize Opel. The division of GM that has brought us the Catera.
Personally, I want a luxury car that is going to hold together for a more than a decade. Mercedes and Volvo were at the top of that list.
Maybe I accidentally walked into the Ford Dealer.
If you want close to invoice and a trip included, I would suggest that you go Euro Delivery.