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http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/04/0526.html
I believe Lexus has said publicly that hybrid will spread beyond the RX. You can also check http://www.lexus.com/models/hybrid/ to see how serious they are about it.
Thanks.
Howard
Howard
And the press is usually less than 100% accurate on stories. After all, they do have to sell issues & get advertising dollars. Blowing news out of proportion is one way they do it.
Infinty Q45 only sells a few 100 cars a year...they are not in the game no matter what Lexus come up with.
You seem so desperate to deny the truth of what is coming...Mercedes and BMW will probably counter with something maybe even license the Toyota hybrid technology...But they will have to move quickly.
It is possible that the 600hp, if it happens, will be in a 'super LS' sort of car, kind of like a 760 or S600 in terms of pricing and unit volumes.
you're funny.
I know Toyota has a 100% guranatee on their battery system for the first 100,000 miles...after 100,000 the batteries need to be replaced at a cost of about $2,500.
Lexus will be coming out with their Hybrid system in an SUV next year.
several auto companies have purchased lisences to use the Toyota hibrid system.
THESE ARE NOT UNPROVEN SYSTEMS.
Max: LS500GT, GS350GT, VXxxx (Lexus version of the Sequoia), 2006 Tundra and 2007 Sequoia are all rumored to have a hybrid engine option when they all debut. Guess, we'll see if this ultimately pans out as *speculated*. But Toyota is a proven winner in hybrid system so I'd bet these to happen soon enough, especially as the politics of oil heats up (pun intended) in coming years.
You're probably looking at 2025 before there's a hydrogen station on every street corner, and the PEM fuel cells and batteries are small enough to fit into your average Civic or Focus.
"New technology needs to co-exist with that which it is going to replace".
That exactly what hybrids are doing today. Helping us make the transition to more effective chemical and electric solutions to transportation technology.
Hydrogen, OTH, can't until there's at least enough 'hydrogen refueling points' for vehicle to go from point a to point b.
Maybe the right answer for hydrogen is a hydrogen hybrid. We'll call it HyHy.
In the meanwhile, others have been competitive.
For all the fans of BMW, Audi, VW and Mercedes, let's welcome you to the best engine manufacturer on the planet: Honda.
The Indy 500 just ended. Race cars powered by Honda finished in the first 7 positions. No BMW, No Mercedes, No Audi, No VW, No Porsche.
You want something that puts out max power, at 200+ mph for 500 miles or more, where do you go? Not Europe. I read that the MB V10's blew up again in todays Grand Prix F1 race at Nurburgring.
Toyota is 2nd in the IRL standing, Chevy a distant 3rd.
Heritage is one thing, reality is another.
More to your point tho', the IRL or CART may have Honda and Toyota dominance, but the counter to that is F-1 racing where Mercedes, Jaguar, BMW and others are dominant, and the likes of Toyota and Honda either don't even play or are small potato (I suspect). So it may be a wash anyway.....
(You're both wrong anyway. LOL)
Good point. I sincerely doubt the Oil companies are going to allow alternatives such as hydrogen to eat into their market share. In creating the Hybrid, Toyota and Honda have presented a viable technology. Okay, it's not a replacement for oil, but it at least makes for a more efficient technology.
I'll be very impressed if the RX400h lives up to the hype. The allure of the hybrid technology is almost enough for me to trade my 02 LS in 2006/7 when the new Hybrid LS is expected. This is what I call revolutionary technology.
SV
Current constructor points:
Ferrari 106
Renault 61
BAR-Honda 46
Williams-BMW 36
Sauber-Petronas 10
McLaren-Mercedes 5
Jag has 3 points and is further down.
MB engines aren't reliable, BMW's fading from competition. Honda moving up.
There is huge reserves off shore all our coasts...The California coast has massive oil resources as does Florida.
The thing that I find curious is that our enviormental people object to our drilling in the US which has the best laws for protecting the enviorment in the world...
If this is truly one small earth ship and the cleanest drilling is preferred to the dirty countries drilling, we should be drilling all our oil at home.
"The thing that I find curious is that our enviormental people object to our drilling in the US which has the best laws for protecting the enviorment in the world..."
Well, if the US increased oil drilling off the shore of California, in remote parts of Alaska, then you would be doing more harm to the environment. Wouldn't you?
It would be smart and the extra money well-spent.
Instead, I think the horsepower and land barge SUV wars, are doing just the opposite.
Not drilling in Anwar is the most Moronic decision this countries Envormental people have stuck us with....I Have been to Barrow..In fact my brother spent years working up there..I know what that part of the country is like....it is 100s of miles of nothing, drilling would not and probably could not harm anything in that enviorment.
Isn't it wiser to find alternative clean fuels? Such as Hydrogen.
Which would have a bigger beneficial impact on the planet? the US drilling more oil in remote areas or simply doing away with drilling for oil and finding better energy sources?
I have a brother-in-law with patents on fuel cells...He says it is unlikely there will ever be Hydrogen fuel cells that are practical.
Yes if we could run cars on water of something cheap that would be great but..at the moment there are no practical alternatives to what we are already doing....If you want to volunteer to ride a bicycle every where you go...Great we will save some oil...Hybrids will save some oil..Nuclear will save lots of oil and gas..The enviormental people don't want us to build hydro....
Tomorrow you and I will need to drive somewhere or fly..That take gas and gas comes from oil. (NOT TO MENTION PLASTIC PRODUCTS THAT WE ALL USE)
It is good to dream about a better fuel and more efficent cars but the fact is we will get up tomorrow and need to drive somewhere.
Went to a nice resturant the other day and steak for two eighty five dollars plus tip..I find everything expensive, but everything is relative, and my income is also up and I might add , alot more than these new expensive prices...I`l stop if they stop....Tony ps I`,m not buying a hundred thousand dollar Lexus period
"You are pretending that a wider model/price range hurts sales rather than helps sales. If we used your reasoning, then if Lexus were to introduce a 100k or even 200k super-LS, it would hurt overall LS unit sales."
Until you acknowledge that the price is higher than any Lexus for the upper S-Class models your point is moot with me.
"S-Class sales are NOT limited by the existence of the higher-trim lines, as long as the S430 is still marketed."
And the S430 still costs more than LS430. You're ignoring price at every turn. You pretend it has no bearing on anything.
maxhonda99
You are also ignoring price. Yes having more variants could help sales overall, but they're priced even higher than any LS430. This whole discussion got started because of some half-baked theory about the S-Class having more models should equal more sales and my point is that isn't always going to be the case because those extra models costs waaay more than the LS430.
Maybe we've been arguing about nothing because you two didn't make the original ridiculous statement. Are you both saying that the S-Class should sell more units because it has more variants, though the price difference is pretty steep in some cases?
I still think someone else is using your ID in some of your other posts...lol.
michael_mattox,
No offense but I haven't responded to any of your recent posts because I found them largely irrelevant to the discussion. Its basically always the same thing with you (nothing factual) so I don't bother anymore. To me personally you're not on the same page as the other Lexus owners/fans. I didn't post one "dig" about Lexus or at you before leaving, the whole thing was started (this time) by a certain Lexus fan who remains lost on the facts whenever they post.
lexusguy,
Long time ago (lol) you asked me had I driven the BMW M3 SMG, nope just the good ole manual version. WOW to sum it up.
mbukukanyau,
"If the MB's of this world were that good, they might as well show up for one season, show people the dust and move one."
Then the gold ole boys would come to F1 and DTM etc. and do the same right?
footie,
Lost footie... Do you not understand that different racing series are for different makers? Gee whiz...why doesn't MB compete in rallying with Subaru? Why doesn't Chevy compete in DTM. Utterly ridiculous.
MB isn't dominate in F1 but they've won before. What has Lexus done in F1. Oh wait, "Lexus" isn't in F1 because it is synthetic nameplate. Forgot that. I don't think you even understand racing at all. Example:
"You want something that puts out max power, at 200+ mph for 500 miles or more, where do you go? Not Europe."
Bull! Where the hell are Ferrari and Porsche from? They have more racing victories than Toyota will ever have. Period! Ferrari builds the most reliable/durable engines in the world's premier auto racing series..Formula One.
M