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I came across a 1999 1/2 A4, 2.8, automatic with Quattro, convenience and sport package, leather seats, Bose radio with 6 cd changer. It has 8,900 miles but has never been titled. The dealer says it is a demonstrator. The best I could negotiate is $28,900 plus tax.
Does this sound like a good deal or would it be worth moving to a 2000 model for approximately $4,000 more. The salesman said there was little difference so I am looking for value.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
As far as the differences on the 1999-1/2 and 2000 models, there are a few that I can think of off the top of my head. The 2000's have an in-dash CD player and drive-by-wire. To find out more of the differences, I urge you to go to www.audiworld.com. They have all that information in the archives. You will also be able to see the differences between the 2000's and 2001's.
As far as getting a demo, I am sure it has been driven hard by many people. The enthusiasts on Audiworld will discourage you from buying something that has possibly been driven to the ground at 8,900 miles. I would either go for a used car that had one owner, or buy a new one. JMO
$.02 worth. Good luck.
cold weather and convienence package for around 25K ( not sure about the exact figure). According to my friend he is begining to understand what he was was missing for years!!!!
Btw, I think you guys forgot to tell me that 2001 A4's are with 170 hp
BTW, I can swear I wrote the 2001's had 170 HP (nice increase-now it's at the same plateau as the BMW 323). Also the 2001's have standard side headbags, standard sports steering wheel and a one year longer warranty with one year extra free maintenance(I wish I had that!). Tell him if he loves the car now, it only intensifies.
I'm glad I was of help. I guess when you're enthusiastic about something, you can't help but share that enthusiasm!
The engine noise for 2001 1.8T models is a little more than the 2000 models, and in fact it is a little annoying. But otherwise the car is great! The increase in the horsepower is also pretty good.
8D25UK: FrontTrak, auto, 30,340.
8D25U5: Quattro, manual, 30,990.
8D25UZ: Quattro, auto, you figure out the math.
So they only offer the manual with the quattro, and they DON'T charge the 1,100 automatic price. I checked this out on the AudiUSA site, "Build an Audi."
P.S. This may be a bit off the subject but as Jettas are assembled in Mexico, any idea if the reliability is not as good as German assembled Passat and Audi? Thanks again.
Thanks for the help.
The manufacturer's warranty for the 2001 has been extended to 4 yrs./50,000 miles bumper to bumper, with all maintenance paid for in that period.
Audi has always had a 3 yr./50,000 btb warranty. I wish I had waited for the 2001's because that extra year could be worth alot.
texashombre
Audi's are more upscale, especially interiorally than it's VW counterparts. The A4 is also sportier than the Passat with the sports suspension option, or even just in stock form. You get a better warranty with Audi and there is just a more tossable feel to the Audi. I own an A4 and my brother has a Passat, and he wishes he had purchased the A4 because of the above reasons. He likes the Passat, but loves the A4.
As far as Jettas are concerned, it would be a good idea to look at the Jetta forums for that information.
As far as your Integra is concerned, we just bought a new TL and love it. Most of the people at www.audiworld.com owned Integras before they bought the A4. I had a Prelude before the A4, so it seems to be the theme before owning the Audi. You might benefit by going to the URL I just posted in this paragraph to give you more information. Most of the people on that forum are Audi enthusiasts. For more information on the Jetta and Passat, you should go to www.vwvortex.com. That is a big enthusiast site as well.
Good luck with your Integra. It is a great car!
They definitely have the 2001 pricing on the audiworld forum. Just post the question and someone will give you a link to it. www.audiworld.com. Also, the average price over invoice can run anywhere from 4-7%. That would be considered in the "good" range. You might want to ask that question on Audiworld, as I am sure there are many Floridians that can give you a better answer. Good luck.
texashombre:
You're welcome. Always glad to help a fellow Audi enthusiast. Actually, not only does the A4 have standard front and passenger side airbags, but they now have a standard side curtain airbag which is similar to the Volvo side airbag and has the same effect as the BMW head airbag, so there are now six airbags standard on the 2001 A4.
Also, Consumer Reports actually has Audi with "Better than Average" reliability. My A4 has been stellar in reliability in the past 8 months/7,500 miles.
As far as the engines in the 1.8 vs. the 2.8, the 2001 1.8 has 170 hp, up from 150 hp for the Y2K model. It is a turbo as well. The 2.8 (which I have), is a 190 hp naturally aspirated engine. The 1.8 engine is much more tunable. If you go to Audiworld, most of the enthusiasts have a 1.8 engine with a 5 spd. and have their cars "chipped" to have over 200 hp. You can ask and/or find out anything you want about chipping on that website. The big difference this year is that the 2.8 does not have the 5 spd. standard anymore as it was not a popular combination. If you want a 2.8 5 spd., you need to special order it from the factory and will have to spend the extra $1,000 it costs for an automatic, even though you are getting a 5 spd. In essence you are paying for an automatic and getting a 5 spd. The big differences between the two cars are not only monetary, the 2.8 has the option of leather, the 1.8 has only leatherette or cloth. The 2.8 has power seats, the 1.8 has manual seats. The 2.8 has standard wood, the 1.8 has standard aluminum. Basically the 1.8 is more of a sporty version of the car, the 2.8 more of a "poseur's" car. Test drove both like I did numerous times, until I knew I wanted the 2.8. If I were buying it this year, it might be a little closer in my decision because of the 1.8's hp boost.
Good luck.
What am I missing? How can I justify $4K for 20 HP and the option to buy leather?
I am retired (age early 60's) and we are looking for a new car that provides luxury, and is somewhat "sporty". As we would plan to keep this car for a long time, quality and dependability are important. I have been leaning toward the A-6 2.8 quattro (although I really don't care for the appearance of the car from the back) as we live in the mountain west, and to reach our home we drive up a street with about 1/3 mile grade of 10=12%. Is the "traction control offered on the other cars a reasonable substitute for the quattro?? The car we are replacing is a 96 Taurus LX. With it's front wheel drive it does a decent job in the winter, but there have been a few times it won't make it up the hill. Thanks for any help by way of suggestions or comments on these cars.
If you are looking for something "sporty", the Lexus ES300 would not be the right choice. I test drove it and it is very much like the Camry. It has no road feel and/or feedback from the road. I didn't test drive the GS300, but I imagine it is more sporty than the ES300. Sorry I couldn't give you better feedback on that model. Getting a Lexus will give you stellar reliability and a wonderful ownership experience.
The TL is wonderful. It is sporty, luxurious, a great value, and if you need a Navigation system, the Honda/Acura's Navigation is what I consider the best on the market because it only needs one DVD for the entire country, instead of 9 CD ROM's for different parts of the country that most of the other Navigation systems have. If you are in your early 60's and are retired or are thinking of retiring soon, a Navigation system to get you going on road trips would be just the thing the doctor ordered.
The A4 and A6 are wonderful cars. My boss feels the A6 is just too big and cumbersome, even though it is very quick in the 2.7T engine size, and would have preferred something more sporty. His lease was up on his A4 and he didn't give himself enough time to look for another car. All he knew was that he wanted a bigger car than the A4. If you live North of the Mason Dixon line, you might want to consider this car for the AWD. It is invaluable in inclemate weather. No matter what anyone says about traction control and other devices, I don't believe they will ever take the place of the confidence inspiring AWD. It almost makes you want to go out driving in the rain. Why do you think that BMW is now adding AWD to it's 3 Series line? Because of it's surefootedness and inherent value over all their traction control devices.
The Lincoln LS was another really nice car, but does not have a Navigation system, and it is rear wheel drive. I found it to be a little bumpy even without the sports package, but it was nice. I believe the resale value and more than likely the reliability will not be as good as the other cars on your list.
As far as the Catera is concerned, again it is rear wheel drive, and like the Lincoln will probably have a low resale value and not very stellar reliability.
The Infiniti I30 is a very nice car. If you get the luxury model, it is the perfect balance of performance and luxury. You will more than likely have wonderful reliability and there is an available Navigation system, although it is the one I mentioned above with the 9 CD's for the entire country. It is not as user friendly as the Acura's. You will also get better resale value on the Acura more than likely than on the I30, although the Infiniti's dealership experience is supposed to be among the best.
As far as the Maxima GLE is concerned, again the resale value will probably not be great, and personally I can't get past the looks. If I were looking at the Maxima and I30, I would definitely go for the I30, not only for the looks, better warranty and cachet, but I think it is much classier inside and out.
I haven't driven the Seville STS and don't know much about Cadillacs, but they have come a long way in the past few years. Resale value will not be good, but they have alot of neat features like night vision, etc.
Anyway, to sum things up, if money is no object, I would probably go for the Lexus GS300 or A6 (especially if one of your concerns is traction control and you live in a bad weather area).
If you are looking for stellar reliability and great resale value I would go for either the TL or Lexus GS300.
If resale value is of no concern to you, and reliability is not either, then I would take a closer look at the Catera, Seville and Lincoln LS (the LS being the best choice of the bunch, MHO).
If resale value is of little concern for you, but reliability is, then the I30 would be a great choice.
I would probably eliminate the ES300 and Maxima GLE from my list as I said before the ES300 is not "sports" oriented, and the Maxima is nowhere as nice as the I30. If you want a Navigation system , the TL is the way to go. I would suggest looking at the RL, but it is really not performance oriented.
I hope I helped you. Good luck!
Also you're probably right about the A6 not being cumbersome and just as sporty as the Mercedes and BMW, but when you come from an A4 like my boss did, the A6 seems huge, and I guess he just likes a more tossable, agile car, but for the majority of us "regular" folks, the A6 would be just fine.
Thanks.
-rdo
russell.ollie@usa.net
As far as colors are concerned, I'm sure how many colors there are for the A4, but as you have probably seen, silver and black are the two most popular. When I see another color, I have to take a second look. I actually like the color choices better for the A6. What color do you have? How do you like your 2.7? My boss just got the same car, upgrading from an A4. He got it with a 5 spd., and is still getting used to the bigger size after owning the A4 for three years, but so far we all think it's gorgeous. He has ming blue with melange interior. Really nice combination. He originally wanted green, but they couldn't find him one with a 5 spd., and he will not drive an automatic.