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Toyota Prius (First Generation)
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Until they make a hybrid that is sexy or at least attractively styled, they will not be big sellers.
Maybe in the next 5 to 10 years, there will be a mainstream hybrid in the U.S..
The car is not stylish or "cool" at all. Some of the styling is dated because of how long ago the car was originally designed (even though it has only been on the street in the US for a couple years).
It is for people who are heavily into gadgets or are trying to make a statement about saving the environment.
You didn't kill it. It seems Edmunds had some hiccup yesterday and many posts were deleted in the process. I think they are working on it.
Has anyone else noticed the footage they keep showing of Gary Conditt walking in Washington?
That blue Prius gets air play every day.
Not much info about it, but it sounds interesting.
A Civic is not that great-looking, but it is at least more mainstream-looking than a Prius.
I don't own a Prius, but I would assume that you cannot calculate fuel mileage directly as you mention, since this hybrid would be using a combination of fuel and electric during total miles driven and thus you would need to know the percentage of miles driven in each mode... that is electric, gas and combo modes and then calculate the fuel mileage based on this data... It would be difficult unless your cars computer gives you some percentage or proportion of miles driven in each mode. I drive an ECHO and get between 37 and 41 MPG in combo driving... pure fossil fuel.
My question is, why is the on-board calculator so inaccurate? My paranoid self makes me think that it's a trick by Toyota to make us feel good about our new cars, but it may just be that they haven't figured out a way to accurately measure how much gas is going in to the engine... No, it's gotta be a conspiracy! :-)
The above is how I believe one needs to calculate the MPG for the hybrid... note in the bottom term you have an additional term called (Electric Gallons Equivalent of Fuel Used).... this term comes from the storage battery which in theory gets its fuel from regenative braking. This term is free energy you get during braking and thus should increase the MPG because it provides free equivalent fossil fuel which reduces the amount of "real" fuel your car needs via its gas tank!!!!!
Thus, if you calculate MPG via the traditional method, you would come up with LOW MPG value since you have not accounted for the free energy that was used by the car's electric motor. Remember, the electric motor is REDUCING the actual amount of fuel the car's piston engine needs.
Also the regenerative braking energy is energy that would normally be dumped out of the brake... instead this energy is re-captured and stored in the battery, so its not really free energy but energy that traditionally has been lost and finally the auto engineers are using for your benefit.
The brakes do not produce power, they just prevent some power from being wasted. Same with the electric motor. All the energy in the Prius is derived from the engine burning gas. All the other processes are just there to help get the most out of that original burn.
The bottom line is that all energy used by vehicles (except solar and nuclear, I suppose) is derived from fossil fuels. The formula to come up with would be one that helps to compare the total energy consumption of all types of vehicles in a universal unit of measure. Maybe calories?
Thanks for the discussion!
first of all, i drive a lot and within the first week of owning my prius i took her out to the beach and up a mountain into the snow. she handles beautifully!
i personally think the prius can handle the winter snow type weather well because of all the weight of the battery system on the back tires. my mother grew up in wisconsin, and she used to teach us kids to put bags of sand or kitty litter in the trunk during bad winter seasons to weigh down those back wheels so you can drive on the ice. i figure the huge battery in the back does just that trick. regardless, the prius handled exceptionally well in the snow. no complaints from me! i could drive right up to the top of the mountain and go snowboarding! woohoo!
and since i got the car in february ive taken it onto rocky off-road adventures, long distance driving sprees, and hours and hours of 50mile commutes to and from work every day. and ive never had a problem. i think one of my tires may need a little air after going camping last weekend... but its alright.
i had cruise control installed after my first maintenance at 10,000 miles. that was exciting! i LOVE cruise control. but i am actually a bit upset now. my service people at toyota had to pull all sorts of strings and hassle around on the telephone all day to get my the upgrade package (which is just a new steering wheel base - all the technology for the cruise control was already in the car!) so i dont understand why this had to be such a hassle for them. theyd never done the upgrade before and toyota acted like it didn't exist. until they finally got it and installed it. and furthermore - i am sick of not having GPS.
id like to get the scoop on this GPS system. why do we all have all the components for a GPS system, but no GPS. whats up! i get lost all the time. i really would like to have GPS. i look enviously at my map and location buttons on the console on my prius, and they just sit there useless. why can't i get the software! this seems so rediculous to me. what do we have to do to get GPS.
well - ill keep in touch. i love my car and im always eager to learn more about it or share whatever ive learned. its so great how people stop and ask me about it all the time.
for any of you out there who are reading this list and wondering, should i buy a prius? my answer is this:
its the best damn car you'll ever consider buying. its peppy on the highway and it proactive at the gas stations.
you will place your order and put down money and spend the next few months second guessing and cursing out toyota for their negligance and incompitence... how can they make these overexcited car owners wait MONTHS for their new car! months of rising gas prices and anticipation... did they ever even process your order (my order was fouled up at first and it ended up taking about 5 months for it to come, but i gather this is not that unusual) and then all of a sudden you receive an owners manual in the mail. useless because you dont own the car yet. and then you receive this nifty little pocket organizer. i like the time converter. that is a handy option. its a useless little nicknack, but its cool none-the-less, and at this point you know that toyota knows you exist and according to the letter that came with the little gift, they appreciate your order and then prompty all of a sudden your car will arrive and your whole life will change. suddenly you wont care that gas prices are rising. and people will be staring at you as you drive by, asking you questions in parking lots (i find that i can't grocery shop without people in the parking lot asking me questions). and your friends will love driving in your car. is it because they are saving money on gas by not driving their gas-guzzling cars? or is it because your new prius is the coolest car ever. if you are considering buying a prius, it looks like you'll just have to place that order and find out for yourself!
and yes, the car is a little bit funny looking. i dont personally care for the ecofriendly tiny look... but i find the beauty is in the subtle distinctions between the look of the prius and the look of the tiny cheap ecofriendly car... they both look geeky and small from the outside, but then you look inside the prius and realize that you've been had! - this is a luxury vehicle with next level technologies, touch screen monitors, cruise control, power windows and a cd player. this is no geeky car - its all pimped out!
i dont know why anyone would buy any other new car when they could get a prius!
one more prius lover
Leah
and they have a list that you can join and read for information.
toyota-prius
@yahoogroups.com
is the header of their email digest.
It's a very friendly list. Many also post here too, and go back and forth to learn experiences and technical details.
This bring up an interesting question. Since most DVD players will also play CDs, I wonder if you need to get a separate CD deck. I'm in the process of finding this out and will report back when I find out.
For those of you who have already ordered with the Nav and the CD, don't worry. After the order is placed, your dealer can still change the accessories, but not the factory options.
Workaround is to re-start the engine, run the gearshift through its positions, return it to park and shutdown normally.
The problem has NEVER OCCURRED when I am driving, and of course, the dealer cannot reproduce it. However, I have seen the car stuck in our driveway with the key unremovable.
Anyone got any ideas? My wife drove a 5-speed 300ZX for sixteen years before switching to the Prius.
Thanks.
My Echo gets 35+ on a regular basis so I wouldn't be buying a Prius to save money on gas. I also like 'different' looking small cars that are well designed-an affectation I carried back from living in Europe.
A friend owns a 2001 and we have had it for the last week. My wife has trouble putting it in to park. She is 5"2" and uses the seat way forward and totally upright. I was wondering is it has to do with the angle of the shifter and the top button when she is so close to it.
I have no trouble at all, nor do the owners of the car.
I noticed so other posts about wives having trouble? My question are they short wives?
You should also give out the name of the offending (offensive?) dealer. We all want to avoid folks like that! I think we all want the Prius to be a success, but we need to remain critical of problems if we expect it to evolve into a truly mainstream option.
Good luck!
PS--- How come the spell-checker doesn't recognize "Prius"? :-)
I have been following this message board since before we ordered to get the general flavor and comments of current owners and have for the most part enjoyed the reading.... topics sometimes seem to digress and exchanges occasionally become protracted but most are interesting and beneficial.....(do I not now digress myself?)
At any rate, we love the car and cannot say enough good things about it. I've only put 343 miles on it in the week of ownership but they've been fun miles to drive. We live in northern Virginia and HOB restrictions are lifted for this vehicle so the commute to/from work is a pleasure.
A couple of interesting observations in response to recent postings....gas mileage, I have not yet topped the tank but the fuel gauge indicates half a tank left and as I wrote earlier I have traveled 343 miles... the on-dash computer tells me that I am obtaining right at 50 mpg, doing quick math in my head tells me that the computer doesn't seem to be lieing. When I picked up the vehicle and the dealer was going through the standard pre drive-off speech I was told that they were happy to provide me with 2 years of free maintenance. I reminded them of the 3 year/37,500 mile maintenance package advertised by Toyota on the web site for the Prius and when we went to the web on the dealer's computer I saw that the web page had been changed with the "maintenance incentive" reference being deleted. I had kept a copy of the web page from the time that I ordered the vehicle in April that showed the maintenance promise and produced it the next day for the benefit of the dealer. To make a long story short, I received a call from the service manager yesterday and he assures me that the dealer and Toyota will honor the 3 yr/37,500 maintenance, that Toyota didn't realize that the web site had been changed, and that a correction would be made to get the wording back.
At any rate, things are good....I hope to keep following the message board for future stories, questions, and info.
Now, if you want more frequent oil changes than 6 month or 7500 miles, you will pay for it. It sounds like you may need to find a new dealership. If you don't have that luxury, start with a conversation with the service director (make sure you get the director and not just a service manager). Ask him how many Prius' they have serviced and why their dealership is not processing the warranty provided by Toyota.
You sound like a person without a chip on his shoulder and that is a good thing. Hopefully, your good attitude will result in the service director making the small effort to discover that you are right.
Good luck and feel free contact me off line if you need help with this. My e-mail is in my profile.
If the guy got X number miles on Y gallons of fuel, the mileage is still 38mpg.
The part you leave out is that his emmisions are only a percentage of what is coming out of the tailpipe of an Echo (which is still nill in comparison to, say, a Durango or Tahoe)
The car is fine around town, but on the highway I feel like I'm always bucking headwinds when I near 60 mph. The ride is rough and loose.
I am 5'0" and I had to remove the rear headrest to see out the back. I can reach the gas and see out the front fine, but I still feel like I am sitting in a hole. If there are passengers in the car I really have a visability problem.
I had to reverse the headrests on the front because at the lowest position I was getting a stiff neck from having my head pushed forward. In the reverse position I can sit a little straighter, but I still get a back ache after an hour or more of driving because of the way the seats curve. These cars may be small, but they are not designed for small people.
I, too, had the "check engine" light come on for no apparent reason. The error cleared after leaving the car parked a few hours, but the dealer said bring it in anyway. My dealer (and the closest) is a 45 minute drive. I took the car in a couple days later (no service on Saturday when the error came up) and they could find nothing. The service people were very nice, washed the car and put in five gallons of gas for my trouble.
One last thing, today I was washing the car and when one of the "bugs" wouldn't wash off the front bumper I took a closer look and the paint was peeling. It's just a tiny spot, but with only 3600 miles on the car I wonder what the paint job is going to look like a year from now.
How did it look? any pictures?
Jay Wolf
I understand where you are coming from about your expectations of dealer service - but proper pressure should be YOUR responsiblity as much as theirs. Frankly, my experience is that the tire gauges in use out there in dealer land are so far off compared to my racing dial gauge, that having them fiddle with the pressures is worse than useless.
Anyway, I think you are asking for trouble to routinely put tires on the balancing machine that are showing no symptoms that justify same. I've watched the process too often, and while there are good people out there who know what they are doing, there are just as many who will send you out on the road with a balance problem you didn't have when you came in. Caveat emptor...
The above ratings can be found on the NHTSA website: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/NCAP/
Also from this posting: there were no hybrid-electric-vehicle-related problems found when testing for electrical shock or battery leakage on the Toyota Prius.
The crash stats aren't the greatest but, taken with the other features of the car, have convinced me to go order my car TODAY. Keep it green, y'all. xxx
Thanks for the advice. My wife was getting so disgusted with the sticking key that we almost had a 3-month-old Prius for sale.
George
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